Oleg Bach Posted April 9, 2009 Report Posted April 9, 2009 Out of the thousands of executives who should be in jail state side and here ...It seems that some jerks have choosen to take one single nationless Canadian and make an example of him - or better yet take the old man as some sort of strange hostage.. Personally I do not know the man but I know of the set he spawns from - and they for the most part are very honourable men...hard working and intelligent and loyal...as for Conrads lawyer who defended him in Chicago - that Greenspan fellow - He betrayed his own client...Conrad is innocent - how can you steal from yourself? That's the bottom line - If the Americans had any common sense and our government was not coerced by a former Canadian Prime Minister - who feuded with Conrad for years...those in charge would free this man or at least let him do his tenure on Canadian soil - It was not America that convicted Conrad Black - It was that former liberal Prime minster that pulled the strings - To use public office and your influence to settle personal scores is not exceptable. Send this hard working Canadian back across the boarder immediately...Happy Easter! Quote
Oleg Bach Posted April 9, 2009 Author Report Posted April 9, 2009 Is no one going to take a poke at this subject? Or are we governed by the hate of the poor - and now by hate of the rich - we are all poor if you have not noticed. Quote
Alta4ever Posted April 9, 2009 Report Posted April 9, 2009 Is no one going to take a poke at this subject? Or are we governed by the hate of the poor - and now by hate of the rich - we are all poor if you have not noticed. Whats to poke at i agree with you. We have many would would like to see terroists returned to our soil, but not Conrad, why because he doesn't have the right...I mean "left" political leaning. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 9, 2009 Report Posted April 9, 2009 Is no one going to take a poke at this subject? Or are we governed by the hate of the poor - and now by hate of the rich - we are all poor if you have not noticed. Why would Black call Canada home after all he's been through? What is this obsession with repatriating criminals back to Canada to serve their time. I'll bet he like's Florida come winter! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
tango Posted April 9, 2009 Report Posted April 9, 2009 Conrad is innocent - how can you steal from yourself? That's the bottom line ... at least let him do his tenure on Canadian soil - Send this hard working Canadian back across the boarder immediately...Happy Easter! I agree we should ask him. Florida's a more pleasant place to do time. Also ... Conrad is innocent? GMAFB! You can steal from a publicly traded company. That's Conrad's arrogance - he thinks the law doesn't apply to him! Besides, I believe he got time not for stealing, but for removing possessions from his office, flaunting a court order publicly to the media. I doubt if he wants to come back here, take a chance on another facility, when it is so "civilized" there. Innocent my a**! Quote My Canada includes rights of Indigenous Peoples. Love it or leave it, eh! Peace.
Oleg Bach Posted April 9, 2009 Author Report Posted April 9, 2009 I agree we should ask him. Florida's a more pleasant place to do time.Also ... Conrad is innocent? GMAFB! You can steal from a publicly traded company. That's Conrad's arrogance - he thinks the law doesn't apply to him! Besides, I believe he got time not for stealing, but for removing possessions from his office, flaunting a court order publicly to the media. I doubt if he wants to come back here, take a chance on another facility, when it is so "civilized" there. Innocent my a**! If you put up every buisness person recieving a bailout package and or a bonus and ask yourself the question - Are any of these people honest - are any of them innocent ? Are they all theives being rewarded though theft from the share holders - also known as the tax paying citizen? Hate to hit you this hard but absloutely all of you are involved in crimminal activity in one form or another - the deal with Conrad is to take this one high profiled and apparently OPENLY arrogant man and burn him at the steak...meanwhile - the whole buisness community world wide are theives - who have collapsed the economy of the whole damned planet - YET - you point at this one man and use fancey words like "facility" - the court system is totally and utterly corrupt - and you know it! Quote
tango Posted April 9, 2009 Report Posted April 9, 2009 If you put up every buisness person recieving a bailout package and or a bonus and ask yourself the question - Are any of these people honest - are any of them innocent ? Are they all theives being rewarded though theft from the share holders - also known as the tax paying citizen? Hate to hit you this hard but absloutely all of you are involved in crimminal activity in one form or another - the deal with Conrad is to take this one high profiled and apparently OPENLY arrogant man and burn him at the steak...meanwhile - the whole buisness community world wide are theives - who have collapsed the economy of the whole damned planet - YET - you point at this one man and use fancey words like "facility" - the court system is totally and utterly corrupt - and you know it! Too f'n bad. Caught is caught. Quote My Canada includes rights of Indigenous Peoples. Love it or leave it, eh! Peace.
Oleg Bach Posted April 9, 2009 Author Report Posted April 9, 2009 Too f'n bad.Caught is caught. So you think that Greenspan did a wonderful and diligent job in defending Mr. Black? Do you perhaps think that Conrads connection and possible jounalistic control over the Jerusalem Post..may have offended so neo-zionists somewhere? Before we enter that unpleasant and politcally correct sphere...lets look at the plain facts here. America as is Canada are two huge and massive corporations..they are for all intent and purpose huge buisness holdings with share holders. These share holders are the common citizen - the serfs of these huge estates supposedly shareing and being share holders in the common wealth of the communal estate. Look what has taken place in the last few months..the company...USA inc. - and it's high level managers have just all been convicted of stealing from the share holders - ALL OF THEM...stand convicted in the very fact that they just took billions upon billions from the share holders...YET....they roam free...the are as you say 'CAUGHT" ...WHAT is the difference between those that have just taken billions in bail outs and stolen bonus's? Quote
Wilber Posted April 9, 2009 Report Posted April 9, 2009 I believe Black decided to make the UK his home when he accepted a peerage. Send him there. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
tango Posted April 9, 2009 Report Posted April 9, 2009 So you think that Greenspan did a wonderful and diligent job in defending Mr. Black? Do you perhaps think that Conrads connection and possible jounalistic control over the Jerusalem Post..may have offended so neo-zionists somewhere? Before we enter that unpleasant and politcally correct sphere...lets look at the plain facts here. America as is Canada are two huge and massive corporations..they are for all intent and purpose huge buisness holdings with share holders. These share holders are the common citizen - the serfs of these huge estates supposedly shareing and being share holders in the common wealth of the communal estate. Look what has taken place in the last few months..the company...USA inc. - and it's high level managers have just all been convicted of stealing from the share holders - ALL OF THEM...stand convicted in the very fact that they just took billions upon billions from the share holders...YET....they roam free...the are as you say 'CAUGHT" ...WHAT is the difference between those that have just taken billions in bail outs and stolen bonus's? Apparently it's not illegal. Quote My Canada includes rights of Indigenous Peoples. Love it or leave it, eh! Peace.
Oleg Bach Posted April 9, 2009 Author Report Posted April 9, 2009 Apparently it's not illegal. I will repeat the one haunting line an old lawyer spoke to me : "It maybe immoral but it's LEGAL" - I say if it is bad - evil - immoral or just plain crooked it is ILLEGAL ...all of corporate and governmental America has slipped into the abiss of illegality and immorality - just because everyone is and was doing it does not make it right - that's my premise here - either lock up everyone or forgive them all and set them all free to start afresh! Those that are evil and delluded which is most of corporate America love the idea of tossing the arrogant Lord Black in jail - I guess in their minds they can continue with their black fantacy and say ..."Look we jailed Conrad and all is well with the world - and we are innocent as the driven snow" _This delluded apporach is a feel good thing that means nothing. The worst part is that Conrad the Lord Black is probably the most capable buisness person on the continent...and is the few that are left that can bring the economy back to health - YOU are wasting talent out of sheer spite. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 10, 2009 Report Posted April 10, 2009 ....The worst part is that Conrad the Lord Black is probably the most capable buisness person on the continent...and is the few that are left that can bring the economy back to health - YOU are wasting talent out of sheer spite. Black will be lucky just to preserve his own "health".....not needed for his questionable talents. The economy would have come back all by itself over a longer timeframe, just as it always has. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bill_barilko Posted April 11, 2009 Report Posted April 11, 2009 I believe Black decided to make the UK his home when he accepted a peerage. Send him there. That's right-he gave up his Canadian citizenship and is now a Briddish subject. This isn't his home and will never be. Quote
benny Posted April 11, 2009 Report Posted April 11, 2009 Tarnished Spoil the soul, Spoil the flesh Inhaling sin to survive Leaving grace behind Long gone is the purity Lust and indulgence thrive Your heart's now black and dark Fouled by your selfish ways, Fouled by your arrogant bliss Fouled by the mistakes you've made, Fouled by the poison you take Banished by the ones you loved, Banished by the ones you trust Banished from your house of faith, Banished by the God you praised You are the guilty You are the shamed You took the good Threw it away Destroyed your life And those you've betrayed You have been tarnished A life now tarnished Desperate now to cleanse your soul, Desperate now to save your soul Fallen down you've lost control, Fallen down you've failed them all Tortured by the envy that grows, Tortured by the anger that flows Hurt is now all you will know, Hurt is now your only absolute You are the guilty You are the shamed You took the good Threw it away Destroyed your life And those you've betrayed You have been tarnished Forever tarnished Quote
Alta4ever Posted April 11, 2009 Report Posted April 11, 2009 That's right-he gave up his Canadian citizenship and is now a Briddish subject. This isn't his home and will never be. It was given up because of the Liberal Party and Jean Chretien. Lord Black was not the first Canadian to be offered and accept a peerage, and yet they did not have to give up citzenship. This was all about liberal politics. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
benny Posted April 11, 2009 Report Posted April 11, 2009 Deliverer Of Evil Take down the master Take down the throne Bring them their heads Send a message to the world Take out the king Take out the kingdom Paralyze their power Send a message to the world Gave you the power Gave you control Fail the people And you will fall Faiths collide, social unrest Clear the air, force the change Dusk will bring the serpent's kiss Never see another dawn Take down the master Take down the throne Bring them their heads Send a message to the world http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2WsSSGT3cQ Quote
Alta4ever Posted April 11, 2009 Report Posted April 11, 2009 Deliverer Of Evil http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2WsSSGT3cQ Got anything better then lyrics? Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
benny Posted April 11, 2009 Report Posted April 11, 2009 (edited) When he was still young, Black inherited of several millions dollars and of a part of the Argus empire from his father. The other part of Argus went to Ms McDougall and Phillips, Black has stolen this other part from these old ladies in 1978. In 1969, George Black and other principal shareholders formed Ravelston, a private holding company representing half of Argus's voting rights. George Black had become an increasingly reclusive and bitter figure. His final words to his son, according to Peter Newman, Black's first biographer, were: "Life is hell, most people are bastards and everything is bullshit." After his father's death, he found books on depression in his father's library that had been heavily underlined. Conrad Black was appointed to the boards of Argus and Ravelston in his father's stead. Aged 33, he pulled off a takeover of Argus that caused Fortune magazine to christen him "the boy wonder of Canadian business". Tutored by his father, Black knew that under the original 1969 Ravelston contract, any shareholder who amassed 51% of its shares could force the remaining stockholders to sell him theirs. Black held 22.4%. He enlisted the support of two women -- the widow of Argus's former chairman and her sister, who together controlled another 47.2% -- and took over. The widows got $10m each and Black got control of a company with $4 billion in assets. http://clublet.com/why?ConradBlack Edited April 11, 2009 by benny Quote
Wilber Posted April 11, 2009 Report Posted April 11, 2009 It was given up because of the Liberal Party and Jean Chretien. Lord Black was not the first Canadian to be offered and accept a peerage, and yet they did not have to give up citzenship. This was all about liberal politics. This is true but it was still his choice to do so. I really don't have a problem with other countries honouring Canadian citizens for doing something worthwhile but Black electing to accept a peerage entitled him to sit in the House of Lords. Do you think Canada should award Senate seats to foreign citizens for accomplishments performed in Canada? Do we in fact? If we do, it was pure spite on Chretiens part. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
benny Posted April 11, 2009 Report Posted April 11, 2009 After his prison term, Black should go finished his life in the London sector called Crossharbour. Crossharbour is also the location where Paul Reichmann has built Canary Wharft. Quote
Alta4ever Posted April 11, 2009 Report Posted April 11, 2009 This is true but it was still his choice to do so. I really don't have a problem with other countries honouring Canadian citizens for doing something worthwhile but Black electing to accept a peerage entitled him to sit in the House of Lords. Do you think Canada should award Senate seats to foreign citizens for accomplishments performed in Canada? Do we in fact? If we do, it was pure spite on Chretiens part. Bening a commonwealth nation allows our citizens to sit in the house of lords. It wasn't the british that had the problem it was one PM. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
ReeferMadness Posted April 12, 2009 Report Posted April 12, 2009 Send this hard working Canadian back across the boarder immediately...Happy Easter! For once, I agree with you Oleg. Send him home. The word is that Brian Mulroney's going to need a bunkmate!! Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
benny Posted April 12, 2009 Report Posted April 12, 2009 (edited) Conrad is innocent - how can you steal from yourself? Poor Bach! The U.S. government claims Lord Black, former chairman and CEO of Hollinger International Inc., orchestrated a scheme to pocket about US$60-million in improper and unauthorized non-compete payments when the Chicago-based publishing company sold assets in Canada and the United States from 1998 to 2002. Non-compete "payments" were paid to Black even though the buyers did not request non-compete agreements, much less realize that some of their purchase prices had been set aside as non-compete payments. Peter Newman was quite right when he said that the biggest stupidity Conrad Black made was to reject the settlement proposed to him by Hollinger's board. The board members were composed of people, like Henry Kissinger, whom Black had himself chosen not because they were willing to defend shareholders' interests but because Black was sharing their autocratic style. Edited April 12, 2009 by benny Quote
Oleg Bach Posted April 13, 2009 Author Report Posted April 13, 2009 Poor Bach!The U.S. government claims Lord Black, former chairman and CEO of Hollinger International Inc., orchestrated a scheme to pocket about US$60-million in improper and unauthorized non-compete payments when the Chicago-based publishing company sold assets in Canada and the United States from 1998 to 2002. Non-compete "payments" were paid to Black even though the buyers did not request non-compete agreements, much less realize that some of their purchase prices had been set aside as non-compete payments. Peter Newman was quite right when he said that the biggest stupidity Conrad Black made was to reject the settlement proposed to him by Hollinger's board. The board members were composed of people, like Henry Kissinger, whom Black had himself chosen not because they were willing to defend shareholders' interests but because Black was sharing their autocratic style. "Peter Newman....? Much like Greenspan - hate to sound nasty but the Jewish community on the higher more influential levels dispise Black...As did the great Fench liberal - the former Prime Minister Chretien - hated Black because Black is the arch conservative who believes if you make money - and the money is generated by your work and brain power..it is your money! Share holders simply want something for nothing.. If you know the history of Black you will understand that the old Argus Corporation that basically trained him as a young man was the core conservative corporation that was responsible for the building of our stock exchange and our very banks that hold solid to this day. My point is and always will be that when Conrad was jailed his haunting statement was that "America is in good hands" - meaning his - You can Obama your face off about economic re-structuring..and about bail outs and stimulas packages...BUT - there is no one in the great corporation that is America that is capable - or who has the talent to put things back on track...INSTEAD of utlitzing this talent and wisdom - YOU waste it by sticking this man in some confined pit in Florida - and I will tell you why - because YOU know that he is the brains...more natural power than anyone in America - IF America was smart this high level mafia fueding should stop and Black should be sent back to work...It seems that all of your best are destroyed and the weakest pip squeaks seek power.....good luck - you are going to need it! Quote
Oleg Bach Posted April 13, 2009 Author Report Posted April 13, 2009 "Peter Newman....? Much like Greenspan - hate to sound nasty but the Jewish community on the higher more influential levels dispise Black...As did the great Fench liberal - the former Prime Minister Chretien - hated Black because Black is the arch conservative who believes if you make money - and the money is generated by your work and brain power..it is your money! Share holders simply want something for nothing..If you know the history of Black you will understand that the old Argus Corporation that basically trained him as a young man was the core conservative corporation that was responsible for the building of our stock exchange and our very banks that hold solid to this day. My point is and always will be that when Conrad was jailed his haunting statement was that "America is in good hands" - meaning his - You can Obama your face off about economic re-structuring..and about bail outs and stimulas packages...BUT - there is no one in the great corporation that is America that is capable - or who has the talent to put things back on track...INSTEAD of utlitzing this talent and wisdom - YOU waste it by sticking this man in some confined pit in Florida - and I will tell you why - because YOU know that he is the brains...more natural power than anyone in America - IF America was smart this high level mafia fueding should stop and Black should be sent back to work...It seems that all of your best are destroyed and the weakest pip squeaks seek power.....good luck - you are going to need it! If we are so just then start trying every executive that collapsed a company through - lazyness - greed and stupidity! THE COURTS WOULD BE PACKED FOR A THOUSAND YEARS to clear the corruption out of our system. Quote
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