Alexandra Posted March 30, 2009 Report Posted March 30, 2009 Equally "treasonous". Anyone who makes an argument in favour of dismantling this country is against Canada. Those who wish for Quebec's separation are working towards the death of a country. I’m all in favour of debate, but threats merely demonstrate the weakness in one’s underlying argument.Separatist arguments are the mark of a weak mind. I couldn't agree with yoou more. Take it up with JDobbin if you wouldn't mind. Quote
jdobbin Posted March 30, 2009 Author Report Posted March 30, 2009 I couldn't agree with yoou more. Take it up with JDobbin if you wouldn't mind. I'm not the one arguing for a break-up the country. Quote
Alexandra Posted March 30, 2009 Report Posted March 30, 2009 Equally "treasonous". Anyone who makes an argument in favour of dismantling this country is against Canada. Those who wish for Quebec's separation are working towards the death of a country. I’m all in favour of debate, but threats merely demonstrate the weakness in one’s underlying argument.Separatist arguments are the mark of a weak mind. I couldn't agree with you more. Take it up with JDobbin if you wouldn't mind. This is his thread in connection with Separatists! It is called = Irony. Obviously some fail to recognize same. ` Quote
waldo Posted March 30, 2009 Report Posted March 30, 2009 All this snivelling because a separatist advocating Conservative magazine IN THE WEST - OHMYGOD! - was given a grant. corrected it for ya Quote
jdobbin Posted March 30, 2009 Author Report Posted March 30, 2009 Take it up with JDobbin if you wouldn't mind. This is his thread in connection with Separatists! Take it up with your leader who plays it fast and loose with western separatists and hard with eastern ones. Quote
Alexandra Posted March 30, 2009 Report Posted March 30, 2009 I'm not the one arguing for a break-up the country. Neither am I. Neither is the editor of the magazine which you are well aware of and if not, should be. Did you not know that discussing separatists/ism is 'treasonous'? tsk, tsk. (must have hit the rewind button, hmmm) Quote
Topaz Posted March 30, 2009 Report Posted March 30, 2009 I think it would be interesting to see a poll of how B.C., Alberta and Saskatchewan feel about separating from Canada and giving up all benefits they have paid into! I don't think any province right now is seriously think of separating, even Quebec. Most province are deep in debt and can't afford of thinking that way. Quote
jdobbin Posted March 31, 2009 Author Report Posted March 31, 2009 Neither am I. Neither is the editor of the magazine which you are well aware of and if not, should be. Did you not know that discussing separatists/ism is 'treasonous'? tsk, tsk. The editor of said magazine regularly fans the flames of western separatism. And your leader has flirted with it all his life. Quote
Alta4ever Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 The editor of said magazine regularly fans the flames of western separatism. And your leader has flirted with it all his life. Well of coarse you leader has never gotten into the fray, all of his life has been lived out side of Canada, how could he. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
jdobbin Posted March 31, 2009 Author Report Posted March 31, 2009 Well of coarse you leader has never gotten into the fray, all of his life has been lived out side of Canada, how could he. It is probably why he is favourably regarded in Quebec compared to Harper. Quote
jdobbin Posted March 31, 2009 Author Report Posted March 31, 2009 (edited) Because the money was needed in the east and was available in the West. Yes, the NEP was probably a bad idea, but I have severe doubts that it was a hateful attack on Western Canada. The idea that it was about hate is a stretch for the right wing but it seems a horse they want to keep beating. Edited March 31, 2009 by jdobbin Quote
Smallc Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 (edited) The idea that it was about hate is a stretch for the right wing but it seems a horse they want to keep beating. Election: year 2752....."The Conservative party leader again today hammered on the Liberals for their failed NEP saying that it proves that all Liberals hate western Canada......" Edited March 31, 2009 by Smallc Quote
Visionseeker Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 I couldn't agree with you more. Take it up with JDobbin if you wouldn't mind. This is his thread in connection with Separatists! It is called = Irony. Obviously some fail to recognize same. ` No, it's called hypocrisy. And it is being exercised in heavy doses by the conservative apologists in this forum. If Le Québécois was given $30,000 by the feds, many conservative supporters would go absolutely ape. And that reaction would be somewhat reasonable and perfectly understandable. Yet when this monetary grant is given to a publication the reputedly gives voice to western separatist, the reaction is disappointingly benign and not in keeping with the outrage often expressed a Quebec separatism. There are many possible explanations for this. I offer some below: 1- these conservatives are too self-serving to maintain ideological consistency 2- these conservatives simply hate Quebec and Quebec separatism provides a convenient and politically acceptable target for their rage 3- these conservatives lust for power as both the means and ends of what is good for themselves, country be damned Anyone else want to add to the list? Quote
Who's Doing What? Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 Could you please provide a list of Liberals who hate the West? It's a myth. Shhhhhh This a widely held belief by most conservatives that must not be debunked. IT is right up there with the Liberal Biased Media and the belief that allowing homos to marry will destroy an institution. Quote Harper differed with his party on some key policy issues; in 1995, for example, he was one of only two Reform MPs to vote in favour of federal legislation requiring owners to register their guns. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/election/bio/harper.html "You've got to remember that west of Winnipeg the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are either recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada: people who live in ghettoes and who are not integrated into western Canadian society." (Stephen Harper, Report Newsmagazine, January 22, 2001)
Who's Doing What? Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 No, dobbin. Wrong again. Where I come from in the West all of the Tories I am familiar with are cheerleaders and support wholeheartedly Quebec separation.` And here I thought it was a stereotype. Man you guys really are our Texas. Quote Harper differed with his party on some key policy issues; in 1995, for example, he was one of only two Reform MPs to vote in favour of federal legislation requiring owners to register their guns. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/election/bio/harper.html "You've got to remember that west of Winnipeg the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are either recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada: people who live in ghettoes and who are not integrated into western Canadian society." (Stephen Harper, Report Newsmagazine, January 22, 2001)
Who's Doing What? Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 How come there was no National manufacturing policy? How come there was no NEP regarding Quebec's hydro. Face it the Liberals hate Western Canada, and any real western Canadian wouldn't vote for them based on their disdain for the west. Sounds like the cart is going before the horse in your world. You believe the LIberals hate the west because westerners hate the Liberals so damn much it has to be only natural for the reverse to be true. Quote Harper differed with his party on some key policy issues; in 1995, for example, he was one of only two Reform MPs to vote in favour of federal legislation requiring owners to register their guns. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/election/bio/harper.html "You've got to remember that west of Winnipeg the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are either recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada: people who live in ghettoes and who are not integrated into western Canadian society." (Stephen Harper, Report Newsmagazine, January 22, 2001)
Moonbox Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 Jdobbin you know how I was saying in the other thread how you'll dig hard and deep for anything, no matter how small you can find, to criticize the CPC? Remember how I said the effort you put into finding even trivial and meaningless articles, no matter how obscure, underlines a VERY emotional and fanatical support for the Liberal Party? Remember how I said you deliberately misrepresent and misinterpret information on a regular basis here? Well THIS is a perfect example. As was previously stated, it was a tiny fraction of the total amount of money doled out for magazine bailouts, although you tried to imply that the CPC was deliberately funding separatists and not normal Canadian media. Barf man. A WHOLE $27,000. It's almost a certainty that Harper was behind this as well. I'm sure high-level cabinet ministers read this magazine all the time and that's why they gave them that gargantuan amount. This is DEFINETLY newsworthy material to be posting here. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
jdobbin Posted March 31, 2009 Author Report Posted March 31, 2009 A WHOLE $27,000. It's almost a certainty that Harper was behind this as well. I'm sure high-level cabinet ministers read this magazine all the time and that's why they gave them that gargantuan amount. I have no doubt that high level cabinet ministers read the magazine and sympathize with the material. Quote
Moonbox Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 I have no doubt that high level cabinet ministers read the magazine and sympathize with the material. Posts like these are why the forum community at large has trouble taking you seriously. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
jdobbin Posted March 31, 2009 Author Report Posted March 31, 2009 (edited) Posts like these are why the forum community at large has trouble taking you seriously. And it is posts like yours that show you do take them seriously and lash our personally as a result. Edited March 31, 2009 by jdobbin Quote
M.Dancer Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 And it is posts like yours that show you do them seriously and lash our personally as a result. Posts like these make no sense... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Argus Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 And it is posts like yours that show you do them seriously and lash our personally as a result. You seem to be so angry you can't form a coherent sentence. You need to calm down a little. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Moonbox Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 (edited) And it is posts like yours that show you do them seriously and lash our personally as a result. It's not lashing out to mock your assertion that we have a separatist conspiracy within cabinet and that these same cabinet ministers apparently read separatist magazines. There's very little anyone can say when you start going down that road. It's far beyond the realm of intelligent argument or discussion. You bring the so-called 'personalization' on yourself. Edited March 31, 2009 by Moonbox Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Argus Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 It is probably why he is favourably regarded in Quebec compared to Harper. Quebecers probably believe now that they've extorted as much money from Harper as is possible, Iggy is another new sucker to come along to fleece. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 (edited) No, it's called hypocrisy. And it is being exercised in heavy doses by the conservative apologists in this forum. If Le Québécois was given $30,000 by the feds, many conservative supporters would go absolutely ape. What is "le quebecois?" Are you stupid enough to believe that federal money has not been dumped into Quebec by the truckload for decades to sustain an enormous variety of "artistic and cultural" endeavors, many of which have a lot of seperatist connections and sympathies? And that reaction would be somewhat reasonable and perfectly understandable. Yet when this monetary grant is given to a publication the reputedly gives voice to western separatist, The only report that it does so comes from a ultra-zealous Liberal party member who seems to spend all day on the internet propogating this sort of weaselly accusations in hopes of convincing fools to vote for his party. the reaction is disappointingly benign and not in keeping with the outrage often expressed a Quebec separatism.There are many possible explanations for this. I offer some below: 1- these conservatives are too self-serving to maintain ideological consistency 2- these conservatives simply hate Quebec and Quebec separatism provides a convenient and politically acceptable target for their rage 3- these conservatives lust for power as both the means and ends of what is good for themselves, country be damned Anyone else want to add to the list? Yeah, you don't have a clue about what you're talking about and are too intellectually lazy and partisan to actually look into it. Edited March 31, 2009 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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