Alexandra

Actually 'it' does not 'emanate' from any hardcore Alberta Con base. It may seem it is Alberta which is most 'virulently' anti-Trudeau from where you sit in Ontario. From where I sit in B.C. except for the actual downtown core of Vancouver and groups of NDippers scattered around Greater Vancouver there are B.C.'ers equally if not more vociferously anti-Trudeau than many Albertans. For good reason. Many are equally as 'virulently' anti-Chretien as well; it may be that most B.C.'ers are very, very wary of Quebec and Ontario - period. When it comes to all of the sneering and disparagement of the natural resources of Alberta, B.C. and Saskatchewan by the Bob Raes, Ignatiefs, the Layton crowd of Babblers, the Quebecers braying on and on about the tarsands and climatebloodychange then is it such a surprise that Alberta, B.C. and Saskatchewan still loathe everything that Trudeau did to turn our country into the socialist nirvanna he paid such lip service to but in fact treated the citizens, particularly those of the West, with disdain. More contempt than disdain for the fools he believed us to be. Trudeau and his official language Act? I mean really. Who speaks Quebec french in the West! `

Bravo Borg. Being ex-pats and living/working in the center of the storm is a humbling experience with no room whatsoever for the smug, self-righteous and overbearing false patriotism Canadians are now becoming known for. Such as that on display by the poster you have replied to. `

Oh gawd, it's you again, SAGA! How many incarnations is this after you have been kicked off this board a dozen times or more? Back again under Tango must mean you have been kicked off Babble -- again? How about you take your own advice and wander the earth for centuries looking for a new Message Board to rant on ad nauseum about your tribes and six nations and, yada, yada. Other more intelligent and moderate people than you have been shown the door from this board and why you persist in your efforts to return here again and again after people have complained to Charles about you and your 'agenda' just proves how desperate you are to have a space to rant and rave. Try babble again. `

Neither am I. Neither is the editor of the magazine which you are well aware of and if not, should be. Did you not know that discussing separatists/ism is 'treasonous'? tsk, tsk. (must have hit the rewind button, hmmm)

I couldn't agree with you more. Take it up with JDobbin if you wouldn't mind. This is his thread in connection with Separatists! It is called = Irony. Obviously some fail to recognize same. `

I couldn't agree with yoou more. Take it up with JDobbin if you wouldn't mind.

No, dobbin. Wrong again. Where I come from in the West all of the Tories I am familiar with are cheerleaders and support wholeheartedly Quebec separation. `

Well, of course one such as dobbin tends to relish the latest and most provocative gossip-sensationalism about any other political party when one professes blind loyalty to his cause and nothing but disdain for those of a different political party. Ignoring in total the other side of the equation, such as: http://www.cfrb.com/node/901388 The "Urban Male Magazine"? `

Truth replacing satire? A few Liberals thought it amusing. `

We do have the IDS. Right on this thread. It looks like it's contagious too. `

From the same Nanos poll: [but never on this Board has the following been linked to by any of the 'opposition'] QUESTION: Of the following individuals who do you think would make the best Prime Minister? ANSWER: Stephen Harper the 'following' individuals were: Stephen Harper Michael Ignatieff Gilles Duceppe Jack Layton and, Elizabeth May Canadians are a contrary bunch of people it seems .http://www.nanosresearch.com/library/polls/POLNAT-W09-T362E.pdf

Trudeau paid untold $Billions to buy a Belgian Oil company's Canadian subsidiary, Petrofina-Canada to re-name it Petro-Can: Petro-Can has divested itself of some(?) of those assets over the years and has had a reputation of poor management, vision, throughout the industry. `

It appears from the above IRONY is wasted on you. On Guyser, perhaps and then, perhaps not. `

Answer? Failing grade, Guyser. Being deliberately obtuse doesn't become you. `

Have you posted those polls which say evolution is how we came into being? Jonathon Kay's discussion re "polls" vis a vis evolution - creationism - in today's NP: http://www.nationalpost.com/todays-paper/s...html?id=1399884 This is what started this contretemps: And, this: The problem with the usual tempests in teapots is that by creating or seen to be creating 'news' there will always be another journalist or blogger whose curiosity is piqued enough by such teapot tempests to ruthlessly rebut with truth or facts the original reporter's truth or facts. Jonathon Kay rebuts McIlroy's statement that whatsisname Goodyear refused to answer whether he believed or did not believe in evolution, hence, of course he is a 'creationist', whatever that is. So, Dobbin. If 34% stated in a poll that they think (believe) it is a combination of both evol. and create. then how do you arrive at the 'majority' believe in evoluton? And, if this MP Goodyear actually does, as Jonathon Kay states, (who by the way is not a -- christian, catholic or evang.) have a belief in evolution, what purpose would McIlroy have in claiming this Goodyear was a -- cough -- bible puncher therefore ineligible to be a Minister of Science, or whatever? Were you taught evolution, creationism or, a combination of both in your science classes btw? Of course you are not obligated to answer that question, are you jdobbin? `

Yes, as there are social conservatives in the Liberal party. The death penalty? Where? Oh, are you referring to the murderer on death row in Montana? That death penalty policy -- in the United States of America? Dobbin, do you propose that Canada should act as Intervenor in death penalty cases in the U.S.? Are you suggesting that since Canada abolished the death penalty and if a Canadian citizen chooses to murder one, two or more Americans Canada's policy should apply in each and every State of the Union? If you do, then since there are States in the U.S. who still enforce the death penalty, California for one, would you agree that California's government should be given the same intervenor status in Canada if one of their citizens had been convicted of murdering one, two or more Canadians; -- that California should be given the right to enforce the death penalty in Canada? Simple, isn't it? Whatever gives Canada the right to dictate it's policies on the death penalty to the United States? The Appeal judge refused to speak to that niggling little question. Oh, yes. suddenly unleashing so-con policies. Incrementally. Try that one again Dobbin but with less irony. If you believe that a 'moderately socialist' country like Canada would vote for a party - any party - that attempted to force death penalty policies or any so-con policies on it's citizens then - you must be desperate to convince me. Although you might check the local blogs in Vancouver and find a huge surprise. There are demands to bring back the death penalty. 40 plus shootings, 20 deaths and now the females are being gunned down as well as dodging bullets in the malls. The death penalty is looking attractive. I quite understand what you are saying. Now that Master Ignatieff has proclaimed his affection for those Evangelical so-cons and wish those nut cases (smirk) to join and worship HE and his acolytes you, Dobbin, are fine with that. `

From Radwanski's piece in the Mope and Wail: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...y/WBwbradwanski "ended badly for Mulroney" = Bouchard! `

Oh, please. Dobbin. For the past three years on this board there has been attack upon attack on the so-called 'evangelical-right-wing-anti-gay-anti-abortion-anti-SSM' PM Harper and EVERY Conservative in Canada. No matter how many MODERATE Conservatives are actual supporters/members of the CPC and do in fact OUTNUMBER by far the so-called religious so-cons there are and have been condescending and nasty comments about all of those right-wing religious nuts, especially the PM, Stephen Harper. Do not attempt at this stage of the game to again do a 180, this time, on your opinion of "Christians" and their conservative radical policies by classifying them as "some Christians who believe in the environment or are fiscal conservatives" who have not been served by the CPC. but who would now be served best by Ignatieff's NEW open policy to the EVANGELISTS. Ignatieff is attempting to snare the EVANGELIST christians. Not some greenie or fiscally conservative christian. What you are really saying is: It is now just peachy keen for the less nutty christians to be conned by Master Ignatieff and his MP McKay to join and DONATE to HIS party rather than those crackpot christian Evangelists! `

An obsessive compulsion perhaps, Cap? As to the "Quebecers are a Nation"? http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...y/WBwbradwanski

Evangelical christians? How shocking, especially for Harper haters such as Normanchateau, et al. Unbelievable. Ignatieff's choice, McKay, to bring on in to HIS party all of those holy rolling evangelicals, etc., voted AGAINST same sex marriage and is an anti 'pro-choicer' ---- This must of course be the latest 'war room' strategy of that sue-em-all Kinsella! The GRIT GIRL (AKA Warren Kinsella) of the new liberal attack ads now playing on You Tube. Not too sneaky Kinsella since everyone in the know detected your 'catty' attacks on the first attack ad against the Conservatives. Weep on and on Norman -- imagine an anti SSM'er being appointed to pander to the evangelicals for Master Ignatieff .... By the way Mrs. Progressive -- where are all of those attack ads against Ignatieff and HIS party -- you know, the attack ads you wrote 20 or more threads on? `

As fast as Kinsella has withdrawn or not proceeded with all of the lawsuits he has threatened in just a few short years. Of course the $5Million libel suit he just filed against Ezra Levant is one of his more ridiculously looney flights of fancy. The attempts to discredit both Kathy Shaidle and Kate McMillan he involved himself in with the jewish groups one of which turned around to bite him is just one of his now very public humiliations and, for him, unwanted publicity. Again. One of his recent mistakes was to threaten one of the most read blogging women in Canada-USA and after receiving such a smack-down he still tries his 'catty' little digs whereupon he receives another not too subtle slap up the side of his head from this very astute young Miss. Kinsella has so many lawsuit balls in the air at any one time it must be difficult for him to figure out which one he must withdraw or make apologies for. Dobbin, get with the gossip! `

There is a very simple solution to your Example A: Never, ever, hire a transsexual in a company which employs women. `

Rather than linking to a Vancouver media source N.chateau and quoting a few of the main issues within the proposed changes your hissy fits when it comes to the marijuana possession thingie is so politically transparent. MSNBC? What, the Vancouver Sun is much too close to the subject to report the actual events? It must be assumed you do not read Kim Bolan's blog in order for you to be so out of touch with reality. These are a few of the actual proposed changes which deals with the real organized crime and drug issues in the Greater Vancouver area: "VANCOUVER - Justice Minister Rob Nicholson said new legislation introduced Friday will mean drug dealers caught with guns will face at least a year behind bars. "And if they are dealing near schools, the mandatory term would be two years, Nicholson said. "Mandatory prison sentences are appropriate for those who commit serious drug offences threatening our society," said Nicholson. The provision include: - A one-year mandatory prison sentence for dealing drugs such as marijuana, when carried out for organized crime purposes or when a weapon or violence is involved; - A two-year mandatory prison sentence for dealing drugs such as cocaine, heroin or methamphetamines to youth, or for dealing those drugs near a school or in an area normally frequented by youth; - A two-year mandatory prison sentence for the offence of running a large marijuana grow operation involving at least 500 plants; - Increased maximum penalties for cannabis production from 7 years to 14 years imprisonment; - Tougher penalties for trafficking GHB and flunitrazepam, most commonly known as date-rape drugs." http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Mandatory...6577/story.html How you fail to see, read, hear or smell the BC Bud being smoked openly on the streets, in cars, in street cafes, at parties at UBC and Simon Fraser, etc., etc. and throughout all of the Greater Vancouver area as well as all of the ski hills in the Interior and Whistler WITHOUT ANY ARRESTS by the local police forces is unbelievable. Yet, you continue to whine about any arrests and penalties for those caught with a big baggie full of the Bud for purposes of selling to friends and not so friendly friends. As long as it isn't you or anyone else in the parking lot of the mall when the bullets are flying in broad daylight and one of the major gang bosses is shot through the head and chest while sitting in his vehicle and when the bullets stop a Doctor rushes out from a clinic, pulls this 26 year old out of his vehicle and attempts to stop the bleeding before help arrives and everyone picks themselves up from the sidewalk but luckily he is the only one dead, right Normanchateau? Or, when the 22 year old mother of two driving home with her 4 year old son in the back seat is shot to death by a cold blooded killer in the car in the next lane -- simply because she was married to a rival drug lord -- Oh, right, all of these killings no matter how many innocent people may lose their lives in Greater Vancouver are not nearly as important to you Normanchateau as your own political agenda. Of course those are just two of the dead in the past two weeks. At last count the drive by shooting in Maple Ridge yesterday seems to have had only one victim. Good thing that. Broad daylight on the street in a family oriented area again. Right. We do not need tougher laws. One of the crime bosses walked out of court the other day on 11 gun charges - with silencer but then he has only been in court 60 times so far. He is 27 years old so he has at least a couple more years to either deal his hard drugs or die in a shootout on a street near you. All of the body armour didn't help the shots to the head of the other gang boss recently. The local police in bucolic Abbotsford are probably wearing their armoured vests to bed now and who would blame them with the rival gangsters trying to eliminate their rivals on a weekly basis? These are hardcore hard drug gangs Normanchateau not the BC Bud smoking thousands in Greater Vancouver. You would of course prefer that any tightening of the Criminal Code should have been enacted years ago right? Under a different Federal regime such as the Chretien/Martin gang? Oh, wait. `

Yes, it is a shame you did not attend that Back to the Future-Reform meeting. Although you are four years too late. Tell me, Progressive -- Do you ever read any of the stuff you post here in an attempt to back up your flights of fancy? "Yours in Reform, Paul M. Ellis Mount Forest Dufferin-Peel-Wellington-Grey A Proud Ontario Reformer [email protected] Sign up here to restart Reform alive in 2005!"

Stephen Harper had an ASTHMA attack you silly twit. He is on prescription medication for his Asthma which has a side effect of weight gain. He has had Asthma since childhood. May the Gods strike your keyboard mute! Oh Right. The tv was actually the toaster. `