guyser Posted March 22, 2009 Report Posted March 22, 2009 you know, I'd wager that despite your pretense of concern for foreigners causing trouble, you have not a peep to say about the countless Muslim extremists who are at THIS VERY MOMENT squatting WITHIN our country... and causing a great deal of ruckus. Now thats funny. Quoted for posterity. Quote
ironstone Posted March 22, 2009 Report Posted March 22, 2009 I'm not sure, but apparently Canada no longer allows free thinkers. You get put on a list. I hadn't even heard of this Galloway person before Kenney made him a star. Now I want to invite him for tea. Wouldn't it be wonderful if students at Canadian universities supported free speech as well?Universities seem to be dominated by left wingers and they seem to think free speech is an inherent right ONLY for the left.Anyone percieved to be "right wing" is not welcome to speak their mind.Carleton and Ottawa U come readily to mind.Unfortunately,the problem will only become worse here in Canada with biased,unreasonble,unelected bodies like the Human Rights Commissions deciding who can and cannot speak. Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
lictor616 Posted March 22, 2009 Report Posted March 22, 2009 Wouldn't it be wonderful if students at Canadian universities supported free speech as well?Universities seem to be dominated by left wingers and they seem to think free speech is an inherent right ONLY for the left.Anyone percieved to be "right wing" is not welcome to speak their mind.Carleton and Ottawa U come readily to mind.Unfortunately,the problem will only become worse here in Canada with biased,unreasonble,unelected bodies like the Human Rights Commissions deciding who can and cannot speak. I went to concordia and currently attend mcgill... and much the same there too.. Hardly ANY divergence from the Political Correctness PC orthodox... and any non-conformist is usually driven out with terror tactics... I remember taking a sociology elective at concordia: and the teacher telling us with an unwinking stare that it "would be nice if we could eradicate the white race and western civilization (using her fingers to indicate quotation marks on the word civilization) so that we could achieve ONE WORLD".... There is no escape from the pavailing, mind numbing orthodoxy of left wing canon. Each of us are forced to recite the dreary nonsense about "equality" and "one world" under pain of low grades or banishment from the university. I remember re-reading an essay of mine that I had molded to suit the ideological leanings of my prof- I still get cold shivers when i re-read it... academic freedom is dead where it most URGENTLY needs to be alive: in our institutions of higher learning. Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
normanchateau Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 And how do you know Harper has no objections to that part of the hate speech law? Seems like a reasonable inference. When Harper vehemently opposed hate crime legislation to protect homos, he stated that it would take away freedom of speech from religious groups who discriminate against them on religious grounds. He did not say at any point that he opposed hate crime legislation per se. Why would he not indicate that he opposes hate crime legislation per se? It would have made his stance far more principled, respected and rational. Harper's vote against making it a hate crime to promote the killing of homosexuals is apparently religion-based and even worse, consistent with his repeated opposition to same sex marriage. He has twice now in parliament lead the forces opposed to allowing lesbians to marry. I'm sure even Harper's most ardent supporters see it as no coincidence that he opposed both C-250 and same sex marriage. I have no idea whether his motives are exclusively homophobic or religion-driven but it's difficult to believe that they're merely driven by a passion for freedom of speech. Harper does not appear passionate about protecting Galloway's freedom of speech. Quote
capricorn Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 I have no idea whether his motives are exclusively homophobic or religion-driven As it should be because you can't read his mind. but it's difficult to believe that they're merely driven by a passion for freedom of speech. If you were a Conservative supporter you'd have no difficulty making that determination. Harper does not appear passionate about protecting Galloway's freedom of speech. Harper doesn't display passion over anything. For me, that's not a problem. I don't want fiery speeches and blustery media bytes. I want a PM that knows the issues and the files, and who exercises oversight over his Ministers and interferes only when there is a need to. IMO, through his silence about the Galloway matter, Harper is signaling his approval of Kenney's handling of it. There's nothing constructive to hear from Harper on this. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
dub Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 I don't owe any care to foreigners for their freedom of speech, especially their right to come here and cause trouble. #1 - he was invited by canadians to make a speech. #2 - how would galloway cause any more "trouble" than natanyahu coming to canada to make a speech? Quote
lictor616 Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 #1 - he was invited by canadians to make a speech.#2 - how would galloway cause any more "trouble" than natanyahu coming to canada to make a speech? good point. Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
DogOnPorch Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 You ain't kidding. Here's George impersonating a cat and responding to his mama's petting. lol...yeah...good one. From a UK celebrity reality show. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
madmax Posted March 23, 2009 Author Report Posted March 23, 2009 IIRC George Galloway is not not coming to Canada after speaking in the United States? Quote
Progressive Tory Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 IIRC George Galloway is not not coming to Canada after speaking in the United States? There's an interesting article this morning on Canada's new 'closed door' policy, from an American on our 'do not enter' list. Canada wrong to deny entry to politician: barred prof OTTAWA — Canada is behaving like a “frightened, closed-up” society by denying entry to British MP George Galloway, says a controversial professor at the University of Illinois-Chicago who was himself turned away at the border in January. William Ayers, a co-founder of the radical Weather Underground in the 1960s, has since become a distinguished professor of education. In an interview Sunday, he said it’s “absurd on its face” to bar people like him and Galloway from Canada as security threats. “Are we living in some kind of McCarthyist nightmare?” asked Ayers, who made headlines when Republican vice-presidential nominee Sarah Palin accused Barack Obama of “palling around with terrorists” because of his association with Ayers. Border security officials have declared Galloway “inadmissible” to Canada because he led a convoy to Gaza earlier this month that delivered humanitarian aid ... On Jan. 18, immigration officials at Toronto’s Island Airport refused to admit him when he arrived from Chicago for a speech at the University of Toronto. Ayers said the officials told him their records indicated that he had a 40-year-old felony conviction, which he denies. He said he asked the officials if they really thought he was a threat to Canada. “They laughed and said, ‘of course not.’ So I said, why am I not being allowed in? And they said, ‘it’s not our decision.’” Ayers said he was well-treated before officials put him on a plane back to Chicago. “I said to them at one point, ‘I’m an American — come on, where are the chains?’ And they said, ‘we don’t do that in Canada.’” A true Conservative government ought to defend freedom of speech vigorously, Ayers said. “Maybe what we’ve got instead of a Conservative government is some paranoia, some fear, some totalitarian tendencies So who is allowed in now? So far we've pissed off the Russians, the Brits, the Arabs and the Americans. Are we still friends with Australia or is there a kangaroo out there who once offended Jason Kenney? We have become an International embarrassment. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
M.Dancer Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 Wasn't it Stephen Harper who used "free speech" as his rationale for voting against Bill C-250, the legislation which made it a hate crime to promote or advocate the murder of homosexuals? If Harper can use free speech to advocate for his Evangelical Christian homophobic beliefs, why can't his critics use free speech for their purposes? Probably not but I am amused you think it is legal to promote or advocate murder of homosexuals. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Argus Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 cause trouble? by using words? notice that that makes idiocy our claim to be a progressive, free and enlightened country. If we can't handle the pinprick of such a mediocre individual as Galloway that really doesn't say much about us does it?.. Let me put it in terms you might better understand. For the last few years the UK has been working to adjust its laws in order to deport Islamist scumbag mullahs and imams who preach their hate-filled fundamentalist crap from various mosques. They come to the UK, then preach that Muslims owe no obedience to a Christian government and that Christians and Jews are dogs and apes who are inferior and must be either controlled or destroyed. You might think, well, so what, let them speak, and the rest of us can mock them. But there is compelling evidence that they have an affect on the more gullible of young British Muslims, in radicalizing Muslim youth, and that their followers have been convicted of numerous terrorist offenses. Do you think Canada should do nothing about such people, or expel them back whatever shitholes spawned them? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 you know, I'd wager that despite your pretense of concern for foreigners causing trouble, you have not a peep to say about the countless Muslim extremists who are at THIS VERY MOMENT squatting WITHIN our country... and causing a great deal of ruckus.rember in the summer of 2007 police arrested a group of young Muslims in toronto— "homegrown terrorists" — who were going to storm the Canadian Parliament, hold politicians hostage, and maybe even behead the prime minister. i bet you dont have a word of reprimand for that... but George Galloway? OH THAT BASTARD HOW DARE HE SAY "WORDS"! ridiculous. You REALLY don't know me, do you, buddy. :lol: Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 #1 - he was invited by canadians to make a speech.#2 - how would galloway cause any more "trouble" than natanyahu coming to canada to make a speech? Well, come to that, Israelis who try to give speeches here usually wind up causing riots as your side of the political equation hate Israelis and don't want to hear them speak. Universities generally won't allow such speakers because they cause too much disruption. I don't recall anyone on that side of the fence being too concerned about that, either. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
madmax Posted March 23, 2009 Author Report Posted March 23, 2009 Universities generally won't allow such speakers because they cause too much disruption. If the University wants to not allow Galloway to speak, then that is their position/problem, just as it is when other groups/speakers are allowed or not allowed to speak. The argument by the Canadian Government is weak. Quote
Alta4ever Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 So who is allowed in now? So far we've pissed off the Russians, the Brits, the Arabs and the Americans. Are we still friends with Australia or is there a kangaroo out there who once offended Jason Kenney? We have become an International embarrassment. I didn't realize that a socialist terrorist spoke for all of America in his outrage. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Progressive Tory Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 I didn't realize that a socialist terrorist spoke for all of America in his outrage. I didn't realize that belonging to a protest group in the 1960's made you a terrorist. I was a teenager in the 60's and protested everything. It was the times, but many of those 1960's protestors became yuppies and this 1960's protestor became a member of society. He's hardly a threat unless he's going to rally his buddies from 50 years ago and try to force us all to grow a beard and wear sandals. Our new fascist government doesn't want anyone. What are they afraid of? The biggest threat to Canadians are the conservative government and their narrow minded policies. Jason Kenney DOES NOT speak for me and Stephen Harper is no longer my Prime Minister. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
lictor616 Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 (edited) Let me put it in terms you might better understand. For the last few years the UK has been working to adjust its laws in order to deport Islamist scumbag mullahs and imams who preach their hate-filled fundamentalist crap from various mosques. They come to the UK, then preach that Muslims owe no obedience to a Christian government and that Christians and Jews are dogs and apes who are inferior and must be either controlled or destroyed. You might think, well, so what, let them speak, and the rest of us can mock them. But there is compelling evidence that they have an affect on the more gullible of young British Muslims, in radicalizing Muslim youth, and that their followers have been convicted of numerous terrorist offenses. Do you think Canada should do nothing about such people, or expel them back whatever shitholes spawned them? Absolutely, I think that large scale third world immigration is a cataclysm for any civilized offshoot of Europe or Western society. Not only are the denizens that come from the land of desert and bazaar (with their disgusting religions and grotesque mores) completely incompatible with Western Civilization but for our standards: hopelessly inferior. But notice of course that we can't really blame the muslims and other creatures emigrating to canada from what ever other third world dung heap you could care to imagine. Their getting a free ride and a good old laugh- we pay them to come here, let them spit on our culture, abuse our women, rape the minds of our young, leech the instincts of self respect and self-defense from our debased population and we take it... we even tax ourselves (affirmative action) to favor THEIR ethnicity and thus encourage their breeding and depredations, and what is more we curve the right of our people to challenge it (hate speech legislation)... we also deprive our citizens of liberties (freedom of association) to reduce the occupational hazards for our dear Semitic Mohammedan creatures. Can you really begrudge their open disrespect and hatred of us? A people so debased, so insanely self hating, surely deserves NO BETTER. And i'm sorry, but I think we ought to take a good HARD look at ourselves to see what idiocy in us PERMITTED the Islamic presence in our already befouled and "multiculturalised" country. Edited March 23, 2009 by lictor616 Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
Oleg Bach Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 616...ha .....so you discovered the old code have you? Cute - but your tone is not useful in a kind and civil society. Yes you are well spoken but in the alternative so is a man of no real true substance - called Obama - he sings like a bird and thinks like a mimicing parrot. There is no point in you having all the brain power without a bit of heart my friend. Quote
lictor616 Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 616...ha .....so you discovered the old code have you? Cute - but your tone is not useful in a kind and civil society. Yes you are well spoken but in the alternative so is a man of no real true substance - called Obama - he sings like a bird and thinks like a mimicing parrot. There is no point in you having all the brain power without a bit of heart my friend. no. no old code here. What was my "tone"? What about the tone of the people minded? I apologize if my bluntness may offend some people. But I think that the situation in canada calls for crude and direct language- not circumlocution and avoidance. And yes, Obama is a mattoid, who (surprise, surprise) was elected BECAUSE of his race not REGARDLESS of it. He likes to parrot the patter so beloved by liberals- "EQUALITY, ONE WORLD, The brotherhood of man... underdeveloped nations, the underprivileged blah blah blah" ad infinitam NAUSEAM! Of course all the while not believing a word of the twaddle he uses to swindle the malodorous, mouth breathing idiots who voted for him. Just a whiff of his associations and personal record is enough to nauseate a healthy man. The aforementioned keywords supposedly lay the foundation for the creation of a soviet style "human egalitarianism" for which there is no factual evidence, since nothing can be created out of verbiage and hot air. Yet here you are reprimanding me for pointing these things out. no wonder we are where we are today. Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
M.Dancer Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 And yes, Obama is a mattoid I had to look that up... Mat´toidn. 1. A person of congenitally abnormal mind bordering on insanity or degeneracy. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Alta4ever Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 I didn't realize that belonging to a protest group in the 1960's made you a terrorist. I was a teenager in the 60's and protested everything. It was the times, but many of those 1960's protestors became yuppies and this 1960's protestor became a member of society. He's hardly a threat unless he's going to rally his buddies from 50 years ago and try to force us all to grow a beard and wear sandals.Our new fascist government doesn't want anyone. What are they afraid of? The biggest threat to Canadians are the conservative government and their narrow minded policies. Jason Kenney DOES NOT speak for me and Stephen Harper is no longer my Prime Minister. He was invovled with blowing up police stations the group that he beleonged to is defined as a home grown terrorist organization, much like the IRA. He has never expressed remorse for this movement or his actions in it. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Progressive Tory Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 no wonder we are where we are today. And where are we today that's so bad? Are you Rush Limbaugh? Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Progressive Tory Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 He was invovled with blowing up police stations the group that he beleonged to is defined as a home grown terrorist organization, much like the IRA. He has never expressed remorse for this movement or his actions in it. Wikipedia - While underground, Ayers and fellow member Bernardine Dohrn married, and the two remained fugitives together, changing identities, jobs and locations. In 1973, the federal government requested the dismissal of the charges against the couple in the interest of national security following accusations of government misconduct, but state charges against Dohrn remained. Dohrn was still reluctant to turn herself in to authorities. "He was sweet and patient, as he always is, to let me come to my senses on my own", she later said of Ayers. She turned herself in to authorities in 1980. She was fined $1,500 and given three years probation. In 1973 Ayers co-authored the book Prairie Fire with other members of the Weather Underground which they dedicated to close to 200 people including Harriet Tubman, John Brown, 'All Who Continue to Fight', and 'All Political Prisoners in the U.S.' Ayers is currently a professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago, College of Education. His interests include teaching for social justice, urban educational reform, narrative and interpretive research, children in trouble with the law, and related issues They were protesting the Vietnam War and the group was one of many. Is Jane Fonda on the list , I wonder? Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
madmax Posted March 23, 2009 Author Report Posted March 23, 2009 They were protesting the Vietnam War and the group was one of many. Is Jane Fonda on the list , I wonder? The days of student radicalism cannot be explained 35 years later. But the actions that I saw in the weather underground are the actions of terrorists. Just like I have watched on TV as Black Panthers and other leaders of groups from the past got rounded up after 911, their past sins have not been forgiven or forgotten. It was a different time, a different era, and people would use extreme methods to fight for "freedom" of racism or war. Are these people terrorists today? Should we fear them? The answer to those questions is obvious. But many stupid decisions similar to those made in the 60's and 70s are making their way back into mainstream thinking when it comes to over the top responses from Government. George Galloway could have came here and left, as he has done before, and only a few hundred may have heard him speak, and he would have been forgotten just as quickly. What the government has done is stupid. The Opposition response is weak. Quote
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