Anti-Israeli Malmo Davis Cup Protest

kimmy · March 10, 2009

Sad that the land of my father's ancestors has fallen to such depths.

All this respect for barbarism under the guise of respect for cultural tradition... there used to be a Swedish tradition that involved horned helmets, broadswords, and the heads of enemies mounted on stakes. Perhaps that one should be revived.

-k

eyeball · March 10, 2009

That there was no 'Palestine' at the time (or ever, really) makes no difference to some, apparently.

There would have been if the people the British dropped their empire on had been given half a chance. They may have called it something other than Palestine but I doubt if they would have called it Israel.

DogOnPorch · March 10, 2009

There would have been if the people the British dropped their empire on had been given half a chance. They may have called it something other than Palestine but I doubt if they would have called it Israel.

That's nice, but it isn't history. It is also merely subjective speculation on your part.

The entire Levant was part of the former Ottoman Empire which was part of the Central Powers during WW1. This empire existed since medieval times. Both Arab and Jewish interests were promised a homeland (Balfour/Sykes-Picot). The Grand Mufti (The Arab's leader)did everything he could to terrorize the Jewish population between WW1 and WW2 including full on Pogroms. This led to the creation of Jewish groups such as Haganah and Irgun.

During WW2, the Grand Mufti joined Hitler and the Nazis in their efforts to eliminate every Jew from the planet. Upon his return to the Levant after WW2 (escaping Nuremberg) he set about rejecting the UN plan for the partition of British Palestine. War was called for which he got...and lost (see 1948 War).

If we go back even farther, Muslims arrived in the Levant during the mid-7th century at the pointy end of a sword, invading and conquering the Byzantines who had held the land since the fall of Rome.

Whose land is it again?

Edited March 10, 2009 by DogOnPorch

GostHacked · March 10, 2009

That's nice, but it isn't history. It is also merely subjective speculation on your part.

He said there was a Palestine which you say did not exist .. but part way through your response we get this

Upon his return to the Levant after WW2 (escaping Nuremberg) he set about rejecting the UN plan for the partition of British Palestine

Looks like it IS history.

Whose land is it again?

I guess this is still being determined. ... screw it nuke it all.

DogOnPorch · March 10, 2009

British Palestine was the mandate left over after the creation of Trans-Jordan. The word 'Palestine' comes from the Roman bastardization of the word Philistine. Back in those days (19th century-early 20th century), a few nations determined the outcome of all world policy. You may not like it but again, it is history.

Argus · March 10, 2009

He said there was a Palestine which you say did not exist .. but part way through your response we get this
Looks like it IS history.

I think it's disingenuous for you to pretend that the existence of a geographical area presents any kind of justification for the notion there was ever a Palestinian state, people or entity in their own right. As the previous poster stated, the Jews have as much right to that area as the Muslims. But the Muslims wouldn't tolerate it - quelle surprise, they are the world's most intollerent people - and launched a series of wars. All of which they lost because as intollerent as they are, they're lousy soldiers.

Oleg Bach · March 10, 2009

I think it's disingenuous for you to pretend that the existence of a geographical area presents any kind of justification for the notion there was ever a Palestinian state, people or entity in their own right. As the previous poster stated, the Jews have as much right to that area as the Muslims. But the Muslims wouldn't tolerate it - quelle surprise, they are the world's most intollerent people - and launched a series of wars. All of which they lost because as intollerent as they are, they're lousy soldiers.

This is the same squable that took place as far as real estate - 2000 years ago - The Judean Royal Family was kidnapped along with their intelligensia and taken to Babylon (Iraq) they were there for over a generation...Jesus the Christ's forefathers were amongst those taken into captivity ....Finally they were released and returned home to the holy land...buy that time other had moved into their houses and had taken over the Royal Lands.

Pontius Pilate the steward for the region on behalf of the empire of Rome was fully aware why they interloping semites wanted Christ dead. Pilate knew that Christ was a directed desendent of the house of David - that he was the rightful genetic King of Judea (Jew originates from the name Judea) - After Pilate facilitated the execution of the King - he clearly wrote an inscription above the head of the murdered monarch..."King Of The Judeans (Jews) - There was an out cry of embarrassment by the semites that removed Christ from his rightful place - They wanted the sign down..Pilate firmly said "I have written what I have written" .

The whole area at one time including the northern kingdom of Israel was refered to as Palistine - Having spoke to an Israeli on the subject - He said NO...that Palistine was some Roman invention - that it was named after an Italian town called Palistinia...I would say this is untrue. The only blood line that can be called Jew is that of the original Judeans - and the Palistinians of today are probably more of that line than the modern Israelis - and they know it and detest that truth. The Saudi Arabian semites that are the installed Royal Family are also interlopers - they rule by terror, blood and torture - yet we support them. Israel is not going anywhere at this point. They are there to stay. There must be a change in attitude...in regards for the original inhabitants which are the Palistinians.

If you look at the recent past you hear reports of Palistinian workers going to Israel daily to earn a living..You never hear of a past report of an Israeli going to work for the and employer in Palistine. The only way out of this mess is to equalize the economic disparity between these two sides of the family. If this was done there would be no room or purpose for the existance of cut throat opportunists such as Hamas.

Muddy · March 10, 2009

Those darn Isralie tennis players! They are always causing trouble. Imagine instigating a riot like that!

The Islamists who immigrate to a foreign land and and cause violence in their adopted country do them selves no favour with the traditional Swedish population. Protest away if they wish as long as they do it peacefully. What did the Swedes do to deserve this violence? Is it because they have been so passive and liberal? If one looks upon Islam as a violent religion ,these guys are to blame. Not those watching from the side lines forming opinions.

Oleg Bach · March 10, 2009

Those darn Isralie tennis players! They are always causing trouble. Imagine instigating a riot like that!
The Islamists who immigrate to a foreign land and and cause violence in their adopted country do them selves no favour with the traditional Swedish population. Protest away if they wish as long as they do it peacefully. What did the Swedes do to deserve this violence? Is it because they have been so passive and liberal? If one looks upon Islam as a violent religion ,these guys are to blame. Not those watching from the side lines forming opinions.

You can thank those thoughtless goofies at the UN with there agenda of internal dispalcement of original populations in the hope of creating a world of beautiful and fully equal pale brown people. No one took into account that you can not take red ants and stick em in a box with black ants. :lol: Part of the reason for these immigration policies - why the elite of certain nations go along with the UN agenda is because the greedyu buggers think they are going to get compliant cheap ignorant labour to wash their toilets - This is exactly what happened when thousands of displaced Jamacians were brought to Toronto - in the hope that they would assimulate and submit - apparently Jamacia the abandoned former slave island - had developed a culture of dominance and survival though violence - No one bothered researching that part - and now we have a problem.

Muddy · March 10, 2009

So are you saying that not all races are equal. That some are more inclined toward violence than others? That some are more evolved more than others? Well dosn`t that just beat all! Multiculturism can not possibly work!

Oleg Bach · March 10, 2009

So are you saying that not all races are equal. That some are more inclined toward violence than others? That some are more evolved more than others? Well dosn`t that just beat all! Multiculturism can not possibly work!

I SAY that no two human beings are the same and no two human beings are equal. Groups of human beings collectively are the same and are equal - but we are not always in groups - sometimes we operate as individuals - and to judge a man or woman by race is utter foolishness - but if that person is a jerk - so be it and so must they be called. Many familism is what multi-culturalism should be called - and if you want to blend all the families into a communal state - may as well drop the phoney title of multi-cultural and call this commune what it is - communism - of course there will away be a wealth and privledged elite - Now hand me another glass of fine Vodka and more of them yummy sturgeon eggs - and warm up the car for the trip to the private family island.. :rolleyes:

DogOnPorch · March 11, 2009

I SAY that no two human beings are the same and no two human beings are equal. Groups of human beings collectively are the same and are equal - but we are not always in groups - sometimes we operate as individuals - and to judge a man or woman by race is utter foolishness - but if that person is a jerk - so be it and so must they be called. Many familism is what multi-culturalism should be called - and if you want to blend all the families into a communal state - may as well drop the phoney title of multi-cultural and call this commune what it is - communism - of course there will away be a wealth and privledged elite - Now hand me another glass of fine Vodka and more of them yummy sturgeon eggs - and warm up the car for the trip to the private family island..

Tsarevich

Rue · March 11, 2009

Question - did Israel hold the high moral ground in the way they conducted themselves recently regarding the Palistinians? Most rational persons can safely say that the behaviour was over the top and facistically brutal. If rational people see this - It is easy for those that are less rational to grasp the concept and riot. This is very dangerous - Israel is not fully aware - that what happened in the past can happen again. This is not a question of Jew vs Gentile or Muslim - it is a question of right vs. wrong - and I believe that Israel was wrong - and the protective cloak of the poor persecuted Jew is not going to cut it - People have had enough of America supporting and manipulating Israel and Israel in turn attempting to manipulate the middle east. America must not really care of the Jews - because if they did - they would make sure that the behaviour was up to civilized international standards. Israel is like a daughter that is a harlot - and America is like the mother that never corrects the dauther - because being a whore is part of the distaff tradion of the family...You are either wrong or right - and America and Israel are wrong - people for the most part do not hate with out being stimulated by some offence or injustice.

Nothing to do with the post or the point the poster was making which he then clarified. Oleg sometimes you miss the point entirely. Slow down to consider it before you respond.

Rue · March 11, 2009

Their behaviour was barbaric. Period.

Exactly and susinctly put and the point I hope Oleg and others understands you were making.

Rue · March 11, 2009

It's what happens when you let in too many Muslims from places where toilets are considered magic fountains.
Malmo a haven of crime and violence

Ouch. I am not sure why you are pouring gasoline on to the fire but watch it, you may burn yourself.

Rue · March 11, 2009

Sad that the land of my father's ancestors has fallen to such depths.
All this respect for barbarism under the guise of respect for cultural tradition... there used to be a Swedish tradition that involved horned helmets, broadswords, and the heads of enemies mounted on stakes. Perhaps that one should be revived.

-k

Ironically you proved a point I did not think you intended to make -that every people have their history of barbarism. Some of us are just more subtle about how we fling our poo.

Rue · March 11, 2009

There would have been if the people the British dropped their empire on had been given half a chance. They may have called it something other than Palestine but I doubt if they would have called it Israel.

They were and did. They called it Jordan.

Rue · March 11, 2009

That's nice, but it isn't history. It is also merely subjective speculation on your part.
The entire Levant was part of the former Ottoman Empire which was part of the Central Powers during WW1. This empire existed since medieval times. Both Arab and Jewish interests were promised a homeland (Balfour/Sykes-Picot). The Grand Mufti (The Arab's leader)did everything he could to terrorize the Jewish population between WW1 and WW2 including full on Pogroms. This led to the creation of Jewish groups such as Haganah and Irgun.

During WW2, the Grand Mufti joined Hitler and the Nazis in their efforts to eliminate every Jew from the planet. Upon his return to the Levant after WW2 (escaping Nuremberg) he set about rejecting the UN plan for the partition of British Palestine. War was called for which he got...and lost (see 1948 War).

If we go back even farther, Muslims arrived in the Levant during the mid-7th century at the pointy end of a sword, invading and conquering the Byzantines who had held the land since the fall of Rome.

Whose land is it again?

I appreciate the intent of your response but unfortunately I fear it is inevitable in such discussions the responses turn into a Who Is On Second, Abbot and Costello routine and everyone leaves in a state of confusion but no one ever leaves laughing.

Argus · March 11, 2009

Ironically you proved a point I did not think you intended to make -that every people have their history of barbarism. Some of us are just more subtle about how we fling our poo.

Oh I think everyone acknowledges we had a period of barbarism. The point is that is in our past, yet seems to be in their present. What? We're not to judge them? Why the hell not? Is it all right if I judge Serbians as backwards and violent? I mean, they're white and Christian, right?

GostHacked · March 11, 2009

I think it's disingenuous for you to pretend that the existence of a geographical area presents any kind of justification for the notion there was ever a Palestinian state, people or entity in their own right. As the previous poster stated, the Jews have as much right to that area as the Muslims. But the Muslims wouldn't tolerate it - quelle surprise, they are the world's most intollerent people - and launched a series of wars. All of which they lost because as intollerent as they are, they're lousy soldiers.

The geography has not changed, just our views/mentality of it. The borders have changed, and were established by the UN. The locals had no say in how their land was divided up. For the most part many of them don't care about borders because there really were none. They are nomadic desert dwellers. They are always on the move for whatever reason. Only now do they have to respect imaginary lines in the sand. It might be they were against it because their freedom of movement is being severely restricted.

dub · March 11, 2009

Their behaviour was barbaric. Period.

maybe if they use state of the art weapons and wear military uniforms, then you might approve of their behaviour. even if they kill over 400 children.

Edited March 11, 2009 by dub

dub · March 11, 2009

No kidding, damn near as silly as "hey...why not drop Isreal right on top of Palestine"?

heh heh.

dub · March 11, 2009

don't be fooled by DoP's sneaky behaviour. he wants to make it look like it's only violent muslims who are protesting against israel.

the ones causing violence without provocation are stupid.

however these ones, who are the majority, seem to include a lot of native swedish blondes and red hairs, and are protesting against israel and standing with the palestinian struggle. they are doing it right.