Anti-Israeli Malmo Davis Cup Protest

[kimmy]

Those darn Isralie tennis players! They are always causing trouble. Imagine instigating a riot like that!

It could have been worse. Imagine if it had been cricket players!

The Islamists who immigrate to a foreign land and and cause violence in their adopted country do them selves no favour with the traditional Swedish population.

What's to worry about? It appears the only response Swedes have is to flee the city and leave it to its new owners.

Ironically you proved a point I did not think you intended to make -that every people have their history of barbarism. Some of us are just more subtle about how we fling our poo.

You do realize you just used the word "history", right? "every people have their history of barbarism"?

So, when does barbarism in the muslim world become "history"?

-k

[dub]

So, when does barbarism in the muslim world become "history"?

around when we, here in the west, stop justifying our own barbarism.

extremism breeds extremism.

[Rue]

Argus my point is when we see these displays of idiocy its tempting

to point the finger and say see Muslims are savages.

My point is Muslims are not the only people who engage in this

idiocy. This kind of tribalism comes in all shapes, sizes, costumes,

colours.

I see it as an example of the propensity of humans to be

extremist. In this case they may be Muslims. The next time

it could very well be some other group.

The challenge is to identify and criticize the behaviour, not use

it as a pretense to engage in the exact same tribalism as the people

we are criticizing to then justify inciting hatred against other people in

the same group as the idiots.

Edited March 14, 2009 by Rue

[DogOnPorch]

So...in other words...the Swedes used to riot at the drop of a hat before the Muslims arrived in large numbers.

[Argus]

around when we, here in the west, stop justifying our own barbarism.

extremism breeds extremism.

Like stupidity and ignorance breeds contempt?

[Argus]

Argus my point is when we see these displays of idiocy its tempting

to point the finger and say see Muslims are savages.

My point is Muslims are not the only people who engage in this

idiocy. This kind of tribalism comes in all shapes, sizes, costumes,

colours.

I won't disagree that tribalism comes in many guises and that all people are guilty of it, to a greater or lessor degree. However, the veneer of civilization runs deeper in some places than in others. In Indian intertribal riots, for example, people using machetes and swords have beheaded other people, running wild, setting people on fire, shooting people, even cutting babies into pieces. I think you will agree that such a level of tribalism is not found in Canada - at least not among those born and raised here.

Those who decry the culture and values of world Muslims do not do so based upon a single incident, but a long series of incidents and patterns of behaviour spread across the world. There is, I think you will agree, a general pattern of violence and extreme misogyny and anti-Semitism coming from a wide variety of individuals, groups, governments and organizations throughout the Muslim world. It is is espoused by Muslim governments through the textbooks they give to their young, the words in their government controlled media, their public statements, and the behaviour of Muslim nations at the UN. It is espoused by a long and wide variety of Muslim clerics up to the highest levels, in independent Muslim media in Europe and North America, and in the numerous incidents of religious/political violence often perpetrated against those of other religions.

No sane person can simply ignore all that, shrug, and say "Well, you know, we have our crazies too" or words to that effect. We might indeed have a few crazies, but we mock them and they have no power or support. In other lands they are in charge of both church and state - with the enthusiastic - sometimes rabid - support of the people under them.

[August1991]

[dub]

It looks to me as if the intention was to show what happens when a large number of illiterate imbeciles overrun a formerly civilized country.

-k

looks like you've found the internet to let out your bigotry and racism. good on you.

[Rue]

I won't disagree that tribalism comes in many guises and that all people are guilty of it, to a greater or lessor degree. However, the veneer of civilization runs deeper in some places than in others. ...

Your comments remind me of the UN Durban fiasco coming up. I do note the idiots will be trying to suggest any criticism of Islam will constitute a human rights violation-this of course in between no doubt the usual Zionism is racism sing along.

Where I agree with you is we have to challenge all fundamentalists and extremists and call them for what they are. The only slight difference we have maybe in that I am a bit more reserved about speaking about Islam because I believe moderate Muslims need our support and alliance against the fundamentalists just as I would not hesitate to call on your support if I had to deal with some fundamentalist wing nuts claiming to do it in the name of kosher chicken.

I will admit this Argus. Your disdain of extremism against all groups is consistently equal. I know that.

I just don't like the way these conversations always end up lumping all Muslims in one category.

In fact the sob's in Durban will make it possible now to crack down on progressive Muslims in their countroes countries and place them in jail for engaging in blasphemy and prevent their jailing from being classified a human rights offence. The progressive Muslims need our support-the last thing they want is us lumping them in with the very people that want them silenced.

Edited March 16, 2009 by Rue

[Argus]

looks like you've found the internet to let out your bigotry and racism. good on you.

And your purpose is to showcase your low intellect and knee-jerk political correctness? If so, you've done a great job.

[Argus]

Where I agree with you is we have to challenge all fundamentalists and extremists and call them for what they are. The only slight difference we have maybe in that I am a bit more reserved about speaking about Islam because I believe moderate Muslims need our support and alliance against the fundamentalists just as I would not hesitate to call on your support if I had to deal with some fundamentalist wing nuts claiming to do it in the name of kosher chicken.

I don't see that "calling out" much. Oh there are a very few western Muslims the likes of Irshad Manji calling on Islam to modernize and abandon its barbarous cultural prejudices, but they seem few and far between in the Muslim world. When I read about polls consistently showing 40% - 50% - 70% of respondents in countries from England to Egypt to Syria wanting Sharia law, when I read the mad mouthings from a variety of Muslim clerics from Canada to Australia to Saudi Arabia, or even Manji's stories of her youth, and how she was kicked out of a Muslim school - in Canada - for wondering aloud why her teachers kept insisting all Jews were evil (just what is being taught in Muslim schools in Canada anyway?) it's kind of hard to accept the idea that the fundamentalist nutbars only represent a tiny, fringe element among Muslims Instead, it seems to me that the fundamentalist nutbars are, in fact, the MAJORITY among Muslims, even if not all of them fully support the terroristic activities of bin Laden et al (Aside, if bin Laden turned up on the streets of Cairo or Tehran, what would the likely reaction be from the crowd? I'm guessing jubilation and adoration. They'd be carrying him on their shoulders through the streets.

[dub]

And your purpose is to showcase your low intellect and knee-jerk political correctness? If so, you've done a great job.

was the above an example of the above-stated? if so, great irony.

[dub]

I don't see that "calling out" much. Oh there are a very few western Muslims the likes of Irshad Manji calling on Islam to modernize and abandon its barbarous cultural prejudices, but they seem few and far between in the Muslim world. When I read about polls consistently showing 40% - 50% - 70% of respondents in countries from England to Egypt to Syria wanting Sharia law, when I read the mad mouthings from a variety of Muslim clerics from Canada to Australia to Saudi Arabia, or even Manji's stories of her youth, and how she was kicked out of a Muslim school - in Canada - for wondering aloud why her teachers kept insisting all Jews were evil (just what is being taught in Muslim schools in Canada anyway?) it's kind of hard to accept the idea that the fundamentalist nutbars only represent a tiny, fringe element among Muslims Instead, it seems to me that the fundamentalist nutbars are, in fact, the MAJORITY among Muslims, even if not all of them fully support the terroristic activities of bin Laden et al (Aside, if bin Laden turned up on the streets of Cairo or Tehran, what would the likely reaction be from the crowd? I'm guessing jubilation and adoration. They'd be carrying him on their shoulders through the streets.

i agree with a lot of what manji says about the reform needed in many of the muslim cultures. i also agree with the following comment that she's made:

As much as I applaud Israel's efforts to foster pluralism, I condemn its illegal Jewish settlements and less visible crimes such as the diversion of water away from Palestinian towns. These contradictions of the Israeli state should be exposed, discussed, even pilloried. And they are: openly as well as often.