Oleg Bach Posted March 6, 2009 Report Posted March 6, 2009 They are all talking about Barack H Obama. The people are so over joyed that finally they have real equality among the races and the sexes - that we are now in a new and evoloved age in civilization. It's all show in my books and all is about the same and in fact it has insidiously become more decayed socially. They go on about the "first black President." The reality is Obama is just another meat puppet and common henchman..the real first black president was and should have been Collin Powell - a man of character, integrety and honour. Like all good and benevolent and truely great leaders and statesman the system simply holds them back and slowly ages them and wears them out. Hearing John Tory speak to day was wonderful - this is a good and intelligent man who truely wanted since he was a child to make the world better - I have never seen Mr. Tory's face before - looking apoun his image I was taken back - He was aged...It reminded me of what they did to Powell. Hold him back and frustrate him. Let time pass and waste this wonderful human resourse - It's much like a prolonged litigation - where the challenger is abuse and taken for a prolonged ride that leaves the person older and more tired and burned out...then they simply go away - It is a sad day for this nation when we let this good man walk away into the grey pages of history - with out fulfilling his life long mission - If Collin Powell was made president in his prime - the world would be a better place...as for Tory - well we have McGinty...the light weight polyester puppet boy. Quote
robert_viera Posted March 6, 2009 Report Posted March 6, 2009 They go on about the "first black President." The reality is Obama is just another meat puppet and common henchman..the real first black president was and should have been Collin Powell - a man of character, integrety and honour. Like all good and benevolent and truely great leaders and statesman the system simply holds them back and slowly ages them and wears them out. Wasn't Mr. Powell the fellow who used his "character, integrity, and honour" to sell the U.S. invasion of Iraq to the world using concocted evidence of weapons of mass destruction at the UN Security Council? As for John Tory, he was in charge of his campaigns for Toronto Mayor, member for Don Valley West, and Member for Haliburton-Kawartha Lakes-Brock and of course, the PC Party campaign in 2007. If anyone held Mr. Tory back, it was Mr. Tory. Don't worry though, John Tory will not be forgotten. Anyone who was a Rogers customer when they introduced negative-option billing won't forget Mr. Tory. Quote THE BROWN RETORT | Photos of householders and ten-percenters
M.Dancer Posted March 6, 2009 Report Posted March 6, 2009 Anyone who was a Rogers customer when they introduced negative-option billing won't forget Mr. Tory. My thoughts exactly. That in my mind is the single reason why i could not support him. Someone that would allow, promote and cosign such an underhanded sneaky back door revenue tool should be put in charge of the Liberals, not the party of Bill Davis. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Oleg Bach Posted March 6, 2009 Author Report Posted March 6, 2009 Wasn't Mr. Powell the fellow who used his "character, integrity, and honour" to sell the U.S. invasion of Iraq to the world using concocted evidence of weapons of mass destruction at the UN Security Council?As for John Tory, he was in charge of his campaigns for Toronto Mayor, member for Don Valley West, and Member for Haliburton-Kawartha Lakes-Brock and of course, the PC Party campaign in 2007. If anyone held Mr. Tory back, it was Mr. Tory. Don't worry though, John Tory will not be forgotten. Anyone who was a Rogers customer when they introduced negative-option billing won't forget Mr. Tory. I knew you were going to go to that point first - about Powell and his testimoney concerning the legitimacey of the Iraqi invasion and war...at that point Powell was a broken man - I could see it in his face that he had given up and finally understood that the system could not be breached and corrected. It was over for him at that point - but prior to that - he was a different man and if circumstances were more condusive to doing the right thing by all _ Powell would have done the right thing AT THAT FORMER TIME. They will break Obama also! OKAY so you say that MR. Tory is like all the rest of the scoundrels? Explain what this was and what his envolvement in "negative-option billing" ....Yes and that glorious Mr. Rodgers - listening to his last interview he stated " I will never retire, I' having to much fun" - looks like the fun ended for Teddy. Quote
robert_viera Posted March 7, 2009 Report Posted March 7, 2009 (edited) OKAY so you say that MR. Tory is like all the rest of the scoundrels? Explain what this was and what his envolvement in "negative-option billing" ....Yes and that glorious Mr. Rodgers - listening to his last interview he stated " I will never retire, I' having to much fun" - looks like the fun ended for Teddy. I didn't say that Mr. Tory was a scoundrel. I said that he was in charge of his campaigns, so you can't put the blame for his losses on others holding him back. You can read a brief explanation of negative option billing here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogers_Cable#..._Option_Billing Here's an excerpt from a 2002 National Post article: He has never been elected to public office and was one of the masterminds behind Kim Campbell's disastrous 1993 election strategy and Rogers Cable's negative-option billing debacle. But these achievements have not dimmed the stature of John Tory in political circles. Source: Is Guy Giorno plotting the downfall of Morley Kells? by Robert Benzie and Graham Richardson Edited March 7, 2009 by robert_viera Quote THE BROWN RETORT | Photos of householders and ten-percenters
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 7, 2009 Report Posted March 7, 2009 (edited) ....Hearing John Tory speak to day was wonderful - this is a good and intelligent man who truely wanted since he was a child to make the world better - I have never seen Mr. Tory's face before - looking apoun his image I was taken back - He was aged...It reminded me of what they did to Powell. Hold him back and frustrate him.... There is no correlation to Colin Powell, who was invested in the "dark side" far more in word and deed going all the way back to the Vietnam War. Tory may be a fine chap, but he is not in Powell's league. Edited March 7, 2009 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Oleg Bach Posted March 7, 2009 Author Report Posted March 7, 2009 I didn't say that Mr. Tory was a scoundrel. I said that he was in charge of his campaigns, so you can't put the blame for his losses on others holding him back.You can read a brief explanation of negative option billing here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogers_Cable#..._Option_Billing Here's an excerpt from a 2002 National Post article: Source: Is Guy Giorno plotting the downfall of Morley Kells? by Robert Benzie and Graham Richardson He certainly was claiming that his loss was due to the undermining taking place with in his own ranks. I am sure he was not just imagining some cloak and dagger scenario going on. Not knowing much about Mr. Tory I was charmed by how well spoken he was and that he seemed to have some genuine emotion. Favours done by big buisness and vice versa is common practice and normal - it's the core of Canadian and American poitics. Here is the conclution that I came to - as we swing even futher to the liberal right - which is probably a more compassionate set up, that a battle ensues between the traditionalist conservatives (buisness) and those srambling up the corporate ladder, the wanna be conservatives who are actually liberals - In effect the problem in the John Tory camp was partizanship within one party - a left conservative faction verses the right faction - and apparently there are more upstarts than rich people - so John went down because of 900 votes cast by liberals to foolish and impatient to wait for their share of conservative wealth. Quote
Molly Posted March 7, 2009 Report Posted March 7, 2009 Bollucks! John tory went down this time for the same reason he missed during the general election... he was grotesquely out-of-touch with the voters. I was looking forward to voting PC during the general election, right up until he bypassed caucus to announce faith-based religious funding as party policy. Even when forced to back down on it, he didn't understand why it was a disastrously awful idea, or that he had mis-stepped by not running that one by caucus first. Under the circumstances, I was amazed that he didn't resign after the general election- the loss was, after all, entirely his fault-but staying on was very much in keeping with his history of 'not getting it', as was his decision to try to claim a seat that someone else had managed to earn in spite of him. He's a loose cannon with incredibly bad political instincts. Quote "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" — L. Frank Baum "For Conservatives, ministerial responsibility seems to be a temporary and constantly shifting phenomenon," -- Goodale
Progressive Tory Posted March 7, 2009 Report Posted March 7, 2009 the real first black president was and should have been Collin Powell - a man of character, integrety and honour. Like all good and benevolent and truely great leaders and statesman the system simply holds them back and slowly ages them and wears them out.... Hearing John Tory speak to day was wonderful - this is a good and intelligent man who truely wanted since he was a child to make the world better If Collin Powell was made president in his prime - the world would be a better place...as for Tory - well we have McGinty...the light weight polyester puppet boy. You are aboslutely right. I always thought that Colin Powell would be the first black president. Sadly he was duped about the reasons for going to Iraq and it hurt him deeply; not just politically, but personally. The Bush Administration used him to sell the War under false pretences, and by the time he realized that, it was too late. I was also a little sad about John Tory. I used to vote PC provincially until Mike Harris chose to help himself (to taxpayer money) instead of the province. I haven't voted for them since. Seeing Baird, Flaherty and Clement in the federal gov't just keeps remindng me why we can't let them get their hands back in the public purse. Unfortunately, I think that John Tory is one of the good guys. Flaherty ran against him as leader of the provincial Conservatives, but lost because he was too Right-Wing. Tory was more of a centrist and even had the right name. I don't know who will lead the Party now. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Progressive Tory Posted March 7, 2009 Report Posted March 7, 2009 Wasn't Mr. Powell the fellow who used his "character, integrity, and honour" to sell the U.S. invasion of Iraq to the world using concocted evidence of weapons of mass destruction at the UN Security Council? He was duped. That error cost him his career and integrity. Many high profile Americans did the same, but he wore it. I still like him very much. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Progressive Tory Posted March 7, 2009 Report Posted March 7, 2009 My thoughts exactly. That in my mind is the single reason why i could not support him. Someone that would allow, promote and cosign such an underhanded sneaky back door revenue tool should be put in charge of the Liberals, not the party of Bill Davis. That's the first I'd heard about that. Guess I was wrong that he was one of the good guys. Mike Harris and his cronies have probably turned me off the provincial Tories for life, so I guess this is just one more reason. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Progressive Tory Posted March 7, 2009 Report Posted March 7, 2009 _ Powell would have done the right thing AT THAT FORMER TIME. They will break Obama also! If Colin Powell had been president there would not have been an Iraq War or a 9/11. He was too smart for that. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Progressive Tory Posted March 7, 2009 Report Posted March 7, 2009 Tory may be a fine chap, but he is not in Powell's league. There are few in Powell's League. I wish he'd have had a chance to be President. Black or white, he was simply the best for the job and deserved a shot at it. But I guess we'll never know. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Progressive Tory Posted March 7, 2009 Report Posted March 7, 2009 He's a loose cannon with incredibly bad political instincts. You're probably right. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Moonbox Posted March 7, 2009 Report Posted March 7, 2009 Bollucks! John tory went down this time for the same reason he missed during the general election... he was grotesquely out-of-touch with the voters. I was looking forward to voting PC during the general election, right up until he bypassed caucus to announce faith-based religious funding as party policy. Even when forced to back down on it, he didn't understand why it was a disastrously awful idea, or that he had mis-stepped by not running that one by caucus first. My feelings exactly. He was a political bonehead. He lost the election 100% himself. Mcguinty is highly unpopular already and Tory had a PC return in hand. His SPECTACULAR self destruction in the election following his intention to start faith-based schools turned a lot of us away. Even I couldn't vote for him. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Oleg Bach Posted March 8, 2009 Author Report Posted March 8, 2009 My feelings exactly. He was a political bonehead. He lost the election 100% himself. Mcguinty is highly unpopular already and Tory had a PC return in hand. His SPECTACULAR self destruction in the election following his intention to start faith-based schools turned a lot of us away. Even I couldn't vote for him. You can not hand over public money to large special interest groups (faith based funding) . Especially those groups that have no intention of equal assimulation...maybe Tory was a pandering out of touch old school sort of guy - who hoped to garner the votes of the Jews - Muslims and the different Christian sects - and for good measure give a million bucks to the Jahovah's Witness Academey Of Higher Learning And Annoying Door Knocking...mabye he thought that if he handed over a bundle to the Israeli School Of Social Seperatness...that the lumniated bankers of the world would grant him and the tin foil people some cash to set up the Trinity Token College Of Tinfoilism? Maybe he just was not very smart. Quote
August1991 Posted March 8, 2009 Report Posted March 8, 2009 Bollucks! John tory went down this time for the same reason he missed during the general election... he was grotesquely out-of-touch with the voters.I agree.I haven't followed the career of John Tory that much but IMHO, he is what is called a "suit". ---- Barack Obama, in one of his books, talks about the people in the US Senate and the lives they lead. He makes two points: first, they are ambitious because otherwise they wouldn't be there. And second, they have a career where their successes and failures are exposed for all to see in a very public way. Colin Powell never chose to expose himself in such a way. John Tory did. It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. Theodore Roosevelt, Sorbonne Speech Quote
Moonbox Posted March 9, 2009 Report Posted March 9, 2009 You can not hand over public money to large special interest groups (faith based funding) . Especially those groups that have no intention of equal assimulation...maybe Tory was a pandering out of touch old school sort of guy - who hoped to garner the votes of the Jews - Muslims and the different Christian sects - and for good measure give a million bucks to the Jahovah's Witness Academey Of Higher Learning And Annoying Door Knocking...mabye he thought that if he handed over a bundle to the Israeli School Of Social Seperatness...that the lumniated bankers of the world would grant him and the tin foil people some cash to set up the Trinity Token College Of Tinfoilism? Maybe he just was not very smart. Okay. What are you getting at? That's what we said. He was out of touch and not very smart. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Oleg Bach Posted March 9, 2009 Author Report Posted March 9, 2009 Okay. What are you getting at? That's what we said. He was out of touch and not very smart. Dumber and dumber me - But he sure could talk sweet - and you will find that this Obama fella is a bit like that - but I don't want to say anything as of yet regarding how stupid Obama might be and how out of touch he might be - He may just out dumb George W - glad they have Biden....he's in touch... Quote
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