sammy Posted February 21, 2009 Report Posted February 21, 2009 The Guelph Mercury just called Israel a fascist state http://news.guelphmercury.com/article/437683. Isn't that a hate crime? They sure need some letters telling them to cool it. This same guy alos wrote a very pro-Hamas article for The Hamilton Spectator Anti-Semitism disguised as anti-Zionism is alive iand well in Canada. At least the STephen Harper government can see this even if the media can't. Quote
M.Dancer Posted February 21, 2009 Report Posted February 21, 2009 I think you miss read. The article does not call Israel a Fascist state (nor would doing so be a hate crime). Looking to the future these annexations, coupled with a higher Palestinian birth rate, mean that Israel will become a democracy dominated by Muslim voters or a Judeo-fascist religious state. I think both of these predictions are wrong. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 21, 2009 Report Posted February 21, 2009 The Guelph Mercury just called Israel a fascist state http://news.guelphmercury.com/article/437683. Isn't that a hate crime? .... Nope...just another Canadian Jimmy Carter groupie with a self admitted bias. From the piece: ....Looking to the future these annexations, coupled with a higher Palestinian birth rate, mean that Israel will become a democracy dominated by Muslim voters or a Judeo-fascist religious state. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Rue Posted March 11, 2009 Report Posted March 11, 2009 (edited) The Guelph Mercury just called Israel a fascist state http://news.guelphmercury.com/article/437683. Isn't that a hate crime? They sure need some letters telling them to cool it. This same guy alos wrote a very pro-Hamas article for The Hamilton Spectator Anti-Semitism disguised as anti-Zionism is alive iand well in Canada. At least the STephen Harper government can see this even if the media can't. Sorry I just got around to your comment. No. It is a political opinion. To constitute a hate crime it would have to be directed specifically at a targetted group of people, i.e., Jews, gays, Christians, women, and then not just the actual words but the context of the words would have to lead the state to believe the person or persons uttering them are asking or urging people to engage in a crime against those targetted people, i.e., kill them, attack them. Criticizing Israel or Israeli politics is not a hate crime. If the paper had went on to stay based on the above that Canadians should attack Israelis or hurt them or kill them then it might be. Again one would have to look at the context of the words, their potential impact and what the words are intended to incite or encourage or promote. Hope that clarifies it. Edited March 11, 2009 by Rue Quote
jbg Posted March 13, 2009 Report Posted March 13, 2009 The Guelph Mercury just called Israel a fascist state http://news.guelphmercury.com/article/437683. Isn't that a hate crime? They sure need some letters telling them to cool it. This same guy alos wrote a very pro-Hamas article for The Hamilton Spectator Anti-Semitism disguised as anti-Zionism is alive iand well in Canada. At least the STephen Harper government can see this even if the media can't.Jew haters are never bothered by facts. Yes there are some groups like B'Nai B'rith that support hate speech laws but most individual Jews do not. This Jew is against pretty much all hate crimes law and certainly hate speech law. Democracy is not for cowards. As a Jew, in open societies, I am not afraid of ignorant or stupid opinions, even Guelph Mercury's. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Oleg Bach Posted March 13, 2009 Report Posted March 13, 2009 Jew haters are never bothered by facts. Yes there are some groups like B'Nai B'rith that support hate speech laws but most individual Jews do not. This Jew is against pretty much all hate crimes law and certainly hate speech law. Democracy is not for cowards. As a Jew, in open societies, I am not afraid of ignorant or stupid opinions, even Guelph Mercury's. If you want to be anti-Israel you can not be pro-Hamas.. The only way an opinion can be respected is for the writer to take an objective and honest over view of the whole situation. To take some sort of side when clearly both entities are in breach of civilized behaviour just shows obvious bias. People get irked and fearful and even angry when they hear the term facism connected with Israel - It's like hearing Nazi or something. Facism is just an orgainzation is in power that has no resisters, competators and all challengers to the state of affairs are excluded from governmental debate. I do not know how the Kinesette operates let alone how to spell it. One thing I as most others believe is that this is a one party system - but then so is America. If you are going to refere to Israel as a Facist state - then America is the big king of Facism and has authority over the little one. Even if it were true that Israel is Facist - it does not matter much - because America dare not admit that a new and complex highy developed form of Facism exists within it's economic and governmental body...so what....BUT everyone wants to believe they are the good guys and calling a Facist a Facist smashes the illusion and we can not have that - we are to week and frail to handle the truth. As for Jew hate - it has nothing to do with Judaism - or Christianity for that matter - because I have seen very little evidence of real Judaism or real Christianity in America or Israel ---secularist Fasism is real. It just looks a bit different these days and is to complex to decipher for the average person...but is sure looks like it to me - long as they don't start to genocide people they can do what they want - benevolent dictatorships I can live with...now lets see the benevolence from Israel and America..now is their chance to step forward and be seen and heard...well ---- step up... Quote
Moonbox Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 I live in Guelph and I can tell you all that it's a garbage fringe newspaper that most people in Guelph neither read nor take seriously. Even as a child I remember how poorly edited it was. It's usually rife with spelling errors and grammar mistakes and the letters they publish to the editor are so far out that most serious newspapers wouldn't even read past the first few sentences. It's no surprise that something this dumb would be written in the Merc, but it's pretty surprising that someone would bother posting about it here. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
jbg Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 It's no surprise that something this dumb would be written in the Merc, but it's pretty surprising that someone would bother posting about it here. It shows the amount of anti-Judaism lurking under the surface. I consider the relationship of at least a good part of the non-Jewish community to the Jewish people to be a love-hate relationship. There is genuine respect and admiration for many Jewish accomplishments and what the State of Israel has built in a hostile area. On the other hand there is a lingering suspicion about Jewish methods of being successful. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Oleg Bach Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 It shows the amount of anti-Judaism lurking under the surface. I consider the relationship of at least a good part of the non-Jewish community to the Jewish people to be a love-hate relationship. There is genuine respect and admiration for many Jewish accomplishments and what the State of Israel has built in a hostile area. On the other hand there is a lingering suspicion about Jewish methods of being successful. It's tiresome and "anti-Judaism" is very nice - better than anti-semitism - or maybe even more politically correct to say Jewish rather than Jew..point being it's not about Jewishness or the state of Israel being Jewish - people would love them when they are good and they dispise any behaviour that is questionable....so lets put the whole silly Jewish thing aside and perhaps just deal with these people as people..This would remove the cloud of confusion and allow those concerned to focus properly on issues. Quote
eyeball Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 I consider the relationship of at least a good part of the non-Jewish community to the Jewish people to be a love-hate relationship. I'm curious, is this "good" part you're talking about most composed of people of other faiths or atheists? Do you think the nature of the relationship between the Israeli community and non-Israeli community is the same? Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
jbg Posted March 22, 2009 Report Posted March 22, 2009 I'm curious, is this "good" part you're talking about most composed of people of other faiths or atheists? Both. Do you think the nature of the relationship between the Israeli community and non-Israeli community is the same?Yes. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
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