dub Posted February 20, 2009 Author Report Posted February 20, 2009 (edited) No need to violate their human rights at present anyway - The natives are past being violated..They are a broken down mentally ill group...it's done...we were successful and now we can pretend that they were always crazy and we are so kind to them - we made them nuts! we've made a lot of irreversible mistakes in the past which cannot be justified. Edited February 20, 2009 by dub Quote
dub Posted February 20, 2009 Author Report Posted February 20, 2009 Whatever shred of credibility you thought you possessed has just been shredded. okay bushcheney. if you say so. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 20, 2009 Report Posted February 20, 2009 ....you see how the comparison is useless? the situation is much different. No, the comparison is on point...for the past and present. From internments to residential schools and unresolved land claims. They just don't have any rockets. the best comparison you can make here in recent history is with the former south african apartheid state and you know how that turned out. Dancer already made that point. Check the scoreboard..... Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Oleg Bach Posted February 20, 2009 Report Posted February 20, 2009 They don't have any rockets but they sure know how to shake down the Ontario Government into putting up some cash for a new Casino. The natives here are realists and their elders understand that to deal with the white men you have to be a clever gangster and blackmail people into submission...they had good teachers. But I am sure they will never use rockets or guns again escpecally when the former Premier Harris said "Get those f**king indians out of that park" So they shot one - worked perfectly and off Harris went to golf and sit on the board of a company finance by old Nazi lucre...real nice. Quote
dub Posted February 20, 2009 Author Report Posted February 20, 2009 No, the comparison is on point...for the past and present. From internments to residential schools and unresolved land claims. They just don't have any rockets. lets pretend that they're similar. you're trying to argue that what israel is doing now is comparable to what canada did in the past. things that canada has admitted to being wrong about. things that canada would not even consider doing now. next thing you'll be telling us that it would be okay for israel to create camps because canada put the japanese in camps. Dancer already made that point. Check the scoreboard..... what point? i have yet seen Dancer make any logical and realistic points. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 20, 2009 Report Posted February 20, 2009 you're trying to argue that what israel is doing now is comparable to what canada did in the past. things that canada has admitted to being wrong about. things that canada would not even consider doing now. Not just Canada...but the USA, Turkey, France, Belgium, Indonesia, China, Russia....and many others. Item: Canada has continued to drag its feet on First Nations land claims. The UN continues to cite human rights abuses, particularly for native women. next thing you'll be telling us that it would be okay for israel to create camps because canada put the japanese in camps. Camps are still very popular...see 'Gitmo what point? i have yet seen Dancer make any logical and realistic points. That's because you are obsessed with Israel for some apparent reason. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Oleg Bach Posted February 20, 2009 Report Posted February 20, 2009 Not just Canada...but the USA, Turkey, France, Belgium, Indonesia, China, Russia....and many others.Item: Canada has continued to drag its feet on First Nations land claims. The UN continues to cite human rights abuses, particularly for native women. Camps are still very popular...see 'Gitmo That's because you are obsessed with Israel for some apparent reason. If nations were children and you were obsessed with one - giving favour to one and not the others, the family would fall into a crisis caused by envy and neglect. All the attention given to Israel detracts from the benevolent force of energy that is needed else where - It is a very selfish fixation..Let Israel have some of our time but not all of it...THERE ARE OTHERS...other children (nations) in need of having issues addressed and remedied. Quote
M.Dancer Posted February 20, 2009 Report Posted February 20, 2009 by not responding to my previous post to you, i'm assuming you've learned something. I think you ate confused...If i don't repsond it is because: 1)I didn't see it or 2) I don't resond to dribble. perhaps you can tell me about nicaragua and brazil human rights violations that parallel israel's. don't think they parallel israel...they are much much worse. Given your championship of human rights, I find it amazing that you care so little that you know nothing about it. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
eyeball Posted February 20, 2009 Report Posted February 20, 2009 Not just Canada...but the USA, Turkey, France, Belgium, Indonesia, China, Russia....and many others.Item: Canada has continued to drag its feet on First Nations land claims. The UN continues to cite human rights abuses, particularly for native women. BC's quite correct. There are a few other important items Canada should know better than to drag its heels on too, like implementing international agreements on marine pollution that we signed years and years ago and our record in fisheries management in the face of what we've told other countries should be doing is pathetic. We have no business taking sides in anyone's disputes, least of all when it involves occupation and settling land claims. That said, I can think of a few cases where other countries might benefit from having some native Canadians advise them on how best to proceed. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Argus Posted February 21, 2009 Report Posted February 21, 2009 that's because we don't have anyone coming in here trying to justify those actions. if anyone did, i'd speak against them Nonsense. Nobody starts topics here to defend Israel. All the Israeli topics are started to condemn Israel. So how come none of you great defenders of human rights ever starts a topic to attack North Korea or China or India or Syria or Iran for their human rights abuses? also, our present federal government has gone against canada's tradition of condemning those who violate international law, and they've failed to condemn israel for doing so. All they've done is to stop being neutral on the dozens of unfair, one-sided anti-Israel resolutions the braying Islamic hordes at the UN put up every year, and started voting no to them. i don't see stephen harper condoning other violations around the world. Apparently you're unaware that he's been rather severe with the Chinese - and the left has criticised him for it. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
eyeball Posted February 21, 2009 Report Posted February 21, 2009 Nonsense. Nobody starts topics here to defend Israel. All the Israeli topics are started to condemn Israel. So how come none of you great defenders of human rights ever starts a topic to attack North Korea or China or India or Syria or Iran for their human rights abuses? You've heard me state many many times that we should suspend our trade with nations such as these and others who violate human rights or that give military support to nations that do. Everytime I have people like you call me a leftist socialist commie bong-hitting Taliban supporter or some such thing. All they've done is to stop being neutral on the dozens of unfair, one-sided anti-Israel resolutions the braying Islamic hordes at the UN put up every year, and started voting no to them. The UN is as good a place as any to start practicing what we preach. We shouldn't have anything to do with it. Its an institution that was corrupted so long ago that its rotten to the core. Apparently you're unaware that (Harper')s been rather severe with the Chinese - and the left has criticised him for it. Actualy I recall criticising him for not being anywhere near severe enough. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Argus Posted February 22, 2009 Report Posted February 22, 2009 You've heard me state many many times that we should suspend our trade with nations such as these and others who violate human rights or that give military support to nations that do. Everytime I have people like you call me a leftist socialist commie bong-hitting Taliban supporter or some such thing.The UN is as good a place as any to start practicing what we preach. We shouldn't have anything to do with it. Its an institution that was corrupted so long ago that its rotten to the core. Actualy I recall criticising him for not being anywhere near severe enough. Well then, you and I don't really have much to argue about. But given the state of the world, and the state of their opponents, don't expect me to spend a ton of time berating the Israelis for their poor behaviour. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
eyeball Posted February 22, 2009 Report Posted February 22, 2009 (edited) Well then, you and I don't really have much to argue about. Maybe, the problem is you don't seem too worried when we or our allies send support to regimes that are just as bad as North Korea or China or India or Syria or Iran. You don't seem too worried when Canadian citizens are ferried by our best friends to Syrian torture chambers either but here you are shitting on Syria. WTF is that all about? But given the state of the world, and the state of their opponents, don't expect me to spend a ton of time berating the Israelis for their poor behaviour. What on Earth would ever make me expect you to do that, your consistency? Edited February 22, 2009 by eyeball Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Oleg Bach Posted February 22, 2009 Report Posted February 22, 2009 Maybe, the problem is you don't seem to be to worried when we or our allies send support to regimes that are just as bad as North Korea or China or India or Syria or Iran. You don't seem to worried when Canadian citizens are ferried by our best friends to Syrian torture chambers but here you are shitting on Syria. WTF is that all about?What on Earth would ever make me expect you to do that, your consistency? Traditionalist Religious Based Racism. No one wants to mention this about Israel ----never! Why can we not understand that they have a quiet unspoken traditional belief that those who are non-Jewish are at the same level in their minds as dumb animals. Why do people suck up to a group and constantly appease a group that do not care if you are alive or dead? Goyem (cattle) the word is still used daily to describe and dehumanize other human beings...The policy of if you kill one Israeli - they even the score by killing 30 Palistinians with perfect and percise intent. It time they joined the human race - they are not special or more important of of more value nor are they Gods choosen. Quote
Argus Posted February 23, 2009 Report Posted February 23, 2009 Maybe, the problem is you don't seem too worried when we or our allies send support to regimes that are just as bad as North Korea or China or India or Syria or Iran I don't consider Israel to BE as bad as those countries. We have not heard any stories, for example. of the IDF engaging in mass-rape in Palestinian villages, as we have from the Indian security forces in Kashmir, or sending hundreds of Muslims to execution as we've heard of the Chinese in Western China. You don't seem too worried when Canadian citizens are ferried by our best friends to Syrian torture chambers either but here you are shitting on Syria. WTF is that all about? I don't consider them to BE Canadians. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
eyeball Posted February 23, 2009 Report Posted February 23, 2009 I don't consider Israel to BE as bad as those countries. We have not heard any stories, for example. of the IDF engaging in mass-rape in Palestinian villages, as we have from the Indian security forces in Kashmir, or sending hundreds of Muslims to execution as we've heard of the Chinese in Western China. I wasn't referring to Israel I meant real dictators, like the Shah of Iran, Saddam Hussein or the House of Saud and I highly doubt Syria is providing its torture chambers to our best friends for free. What possible business could a country like ours, that sends soldiers to die for other peoples human rights, have with any with countries like China and India? I don't consider them to BE Canadians. That the victims of a US/Syrian conspiracy to commit torture aren't human beings isn't enough? I guess this explains why its so easy to shrug when our allies or us have dealings with so many of the world's worst regimes. They're bastards but at least they're our bastards eh? That sort of attitude is exactly what inspired 9/11. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 23, 2009 Report Posted February 23, 2009 ...That the victims of a US/Syrian conspiracy to commit torture aren't human beings isn't enough? You forgot to mention Canada (RCMP). That's why you paid $10 million + expenses. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Oleg Bach Posted February 23, 2009 Report Posted February 23, 2009 I wasn't referring to Israel I meant real dictators, like the Shah of Iran, Saddam Hussein or the House of Saud and I highly doubt Syria is providing its torture chambers to our best friends for free. What possible business could a country like ours, that sends soldiers to die for other peoples human rights, have with any with countries like China and India?That the victims of a US/Syrian conspiracy to commit torture aren't human beings isn't enough? I guess this explains why its so easy to shrug when our allies or us have dealings with so many of the world's worst regimes. They're bastards but at least they're our bastards eh? That sort of attitude is exactly what inspired 9/11. What inspired 9 11 was boredom and thrill seeking by those boy banging overly rich Saudi Arabians and their wack job spoiled revolutionary hobbyist son...Bin what's his name. No on wants to spank an Arab shiek ....These so-called allied Arabs with oil we so love - quietly loath us..but we put up with them cos' it profits us. Quote
dub Posted February 23, 2009 Author Report Posted February 23, 2009 I don't consider them to BE Canadians. good thing we don't do things based on your feelings. they ARE canadians. Quote
Argus Posted February 24, 2009 Report Posted February 24, 2009 I wasn't referring to Israel I meant real dictators, like the Shah of Iran, Saddam Hussein or the House of Saud and I highly doubt Syria is providing its torture chambers to our best friends for free. What possible business could a country like ours, that sends soldiers to die for other peoples human rights, have with any with countries like China and India? Don't ask me. If I had my way we would not only not have embassies to, but would not even recognize the governments of half this planet. To my mind we should only have diplomatic relationships with democracies, or nations where we have an overwhelming interest - ie, Russia for example, because it's on our border. Not even sure we'd elevate our representative there to an ambassador, probably keep it to something like charge d'affaires as a sign of what we think of them. That the victims of a US/Syrian conspiracy to commit torture aren't human beings isn't enough? Given the nature of what's happening to the hundreds of millions of people out there who have felt the displeasure of some of these governments it's hard to get all worked up about a couple of individuals who are free and clear and seem entirely healthy. I guess this explains why its so easy to shrug when our allies or us have dealings with so many of the world's worst regimes. They're bastards but at least they're our bastards eh? That sort of attitude is exactly what inspired 9/11. Actually, the more repressive a regime is the less opposition to it there is - because they don't tolerate opposition. You will see stone-throwing Palestinians on a daily basis, but you will not see anyone throwing stones at the Syrians or Iranians or Russians security forces, becuase they respond with automatic weapons fire. In most cases, we have relationships with unsavoury regimes because they're there, and there is nothing likely to replace them which won't be as bad if not worse. So it's either deal with them or pretend there's a black hole over that spot on the map with a "there be dragons" sign over it. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
DogOnPorch Posted February 24, 2009 Report Posted February 24, 2009 good thing we don't do things based on your feelings. they ARE canadians. Paper Canadians. ------------------- He went down to Oxford Town Guns and clubs followed him down All because his face was brown Better get away from Oxford Town. ---Bob Dylan Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dub Posted February 26, 2009 Author Report Posted February 26, 2009 (edited) Paper Canadians. i agree with that with some of the cases, but they're still canadians and we're in no position to be selective. back to the topic; why the hypocrisy? why does israel continue to scream human shields when describing hamas' tactics when they do it themselves? Edited February 26, 2009 by dub Quote
dub Posted March 24, 2009 Author Report Posted March 24, 2009 'IDF troops used 11-year-old boy as human shield in Gaza' Quote
M.Dancer Posted March 24, 2009 Report Posted March 24, 2009 Hey sir spamalot! Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
DogOnPorch Posted March 24, 2009 Report Posted March 24, 2009 Hamas leader explains use of human shields. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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