kactus Posted February 27, 2009 Report Posted February 27, 2009 oh cool. pull out the "islam/nazi connection".i thought that stuff was only for the low-browed evangelical christians who eat up this crap. The funny thing is that arabs and jews are both semites and yet there is a connection between arabs and nazis! Oh and ofcourse those devil eyeranians. Geez! I almost forgot they are there to get da joos! Lol! Quote
M.Dancer Posted February 27, 2009 Report Posted February 27, 2009 there is a protocol involved when it comes to treating the wounded. go look it up. QUOTE (M.Dancer @ Feb 26 2009, 02:34 PM) Only among the congenitally retarded, arab bureaucrats and Hamas would the first rule of triage be to prepare the paperwork. Apparentljy you had to.... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Topaz Posted February 27, 2009 Report Posted February 27, 2009 IF the Irish and the English can come to terms then it CAN happen for these two groups but only if they really want peace. Israel should offer a billion to Hamas to leave the land and the UN can help them relocate some where else. They can't live side each other so some one should buy the other out. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted February 27, 2009 Report Posted February 27, 2009 see DoP? why does dancer know and you don't? couldn't you find it on wikipedia? Most of the planet has seen every episode of M*A*S*H more than once. So let's get this straight: 1. Hamas refuses to let wounded Arabs cross into Egypt. 2. Reason given: paperwork (and Zionists). 3. You claim this is normal even though the doctor seems able to travel to Rafah. 4. Both myself and M.Dancer note that treating the wounded comes first, not paperwork. 5. You claim it isn't so. 6. M.Dancer mentions 'triage'. 7. Suddenly you agree with M.Dancer and claim I was wrong. Have you thought about a PR position with Hamas? ------------------------------- This is the time for the third uprising. Resistance will continue through suicide missions. ---Khaled Mashaal, Damascus, Syria, December 27, 2008 Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted February 27, 2009 Report Posted February 27, 2009 Most of the planet has seen every episode of M*A*S*H more than once.So let's get this straight: 1. Hamas refuses to let wounded Arabs cross into Egypt. I find this odd, because whenever there is a large group of Palestinians wanting to cross into Egypt, Egypt almost always closes the doors. http://www.boston.com/news/world/middleeas...+--+Latest+news http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3667350,00.html http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22972508/ Quote
M.Dancer Posted February 27, 2009 Report Posted February 27, 2009 I find this odd, because whenever there is a large group of Palestinians wanting to cross into Egypt, Egypt almost always closes the doors. http://www.boston.com/news/world/middleeas...+--+Latest+news http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3667350,00.html http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22972508/ That may be but it doesn't address why Egyptian hospitals were open and waiting and why Hamas refused to allow the wounded to travel there. What does explain it though is Hamas didn't want an idependant account of how few noncombattants were actually being hurt. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
GostHacked Posted February 27, 2009 Report Posted February 27, 2009 That may be but it doesn't address why Egyptian hospitals were open and waiting and why Hamas refused to allow the wounded to travel there.What does explain it though is Hamas didn't want an idependant account of how few noncombattants were actually being hurt. This shows the border being closed more than open. All the other times they needed help, the border was slammed shut. And now because this possible one incident, Hamas is to blame. I am tired to the point of letting the whole area become one shiny slate of glass. Quote
dub Posted February 27, 2009 Author Report Posted February 27, 2009 That may be but it doesn't address why Egyptian hospitals were open and waiting and why Hamas refused to allow the wounded to travel there.What does explain it though is Hamas didn't want an idependant account of how few noncombattants were actually being hurt. this is how zionists deal with facts. what's the method used by the zionists? accuse others and propagate everything that they end up doing: - refusing independent account by not allowing both human rights organizations and the media into gaza - say hamas uses human shields when israel has done it themselves even after being outlawed by their own courts - even after an appeal to use palestinians as human shields - accuse hamas of not wanting to treat the wounded even though it's israel who either did not allow aid to go through or made it extremely difficult to do so, to treat the gazans who were being bombed by israel both of you are sad sad people. Quote
WIP Posted February 27, 2009 Report Posted February 27, 2009 this is how zionists deal with facts.what's the method used by the zionists? accuse others and propagate everything that they end up doing: - refusing independent account by not allowing both human rights organizations and the media into gaza - say hamas uses human shields when israel has done it themselves even after being outlawed by their own courts - even after an appeal to use palestinians as human shields - accuse hamas of not wanting to treat the wounded even though it's israel who either did not allow aid to go through or made it extremely difficult to do so, to treat the gazans who were being bombed by israel both of you are sad sad people. While I was out, DOP and Dancer provided even more links than I was aware of to stories about Hamas leaders preventing and delaying efforts to treat civilians during the latest conflict. You responded with lame excuses about "disorganization" and some incoherent point about medical protocols. Now, you are blaming Israel for the Hamas decision to block medical evacuations to Egypt through the Rafa Gate. You are just going to continue to make excuses for the fact that you hold the Israelis to a higher standard than the Palestinians. Actually, it doesn't seem like you are holding the Pallies to any standard, like every vile action can be blamed on what the Israelis are doing. Quote Anybody who believers exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. -- Kenneth Boulding, 1973
dub Posted March 4, 2009 Author Report Posted March 4, 2009 more stink from israel: Israel 'plans settlement growth' The Israeli government has plans to build at least 73,000 new homes for Jews in the occupied West Bank, the anti-settlement group Peace Now says. If the plans are implemented in full it would double the number of settlers in the West Bank outside east Jerusalem, according to the Peace Now website. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7919050.stm The completion of these projects will make the plan of creating a Palestinian state next to Israel totally unrealistic Yariv Oppenheimer Peace Now no kidding. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 more stink from israel:Israel 'plans settlement growth' The Israeli government has plans to build at least 73,000 new homes for Jews in the occupied West Bank, the anti-settlement group Peace Now says. If the plans are implemented in full it would double the number of settlers in the West Bank outside east Jerusalem, according to the Peace Now website. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7919050.stm The completion of these projects will make the plan of creating a Palestinian state next to Israel totally unrealistic Yariv Oppenheimer Peace Now no kidding. Who said that their actions were realistic anyway - what they present to the outside world is non-realizm and propoganda...but realistically Israel is a buisness - a kind of expanding private estate. There actions in Palistine were ones of attrition..The Hamas danger and their little rockets was highly over played..IF they are going to construct thousands of new homes then they are going to lobby for more immigration - anyone who remotely states they are Jewish well be welcomed in...Take the soviet raised Jews who don't give a damn about Judaism - who migrated there strickly for economic reasons...not for noble homelandish religious principles. It is becoming evident that Israel plans to expand as far as it can untill it creates not just the pip squeak antiquated little settlement on the Jordon ----------but expand into a substantial nation - with a good sea port and cultavatable lands and industry - that means that Gaza is just the bench mark - once that is gone - they will continue to expand - why would they not - no one is stopping them. Quote
GostHacked Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 Who said that their actions were realistic anyway - what they present to the outside world is non-realizm and propoganda...but realistically Israel is a buisness - a kind of expanding private estate. There actions in Palistine were ones of attrition..The Hamas danger and their little rockets was highly over played..IF they are going to construct thousands of new homes then they are going to lobby for more immigration - anyone who remotely states they are Jewish well be welcomed in...Take the soviet raised Jews who don't give a damn about Judaism - who migrated there strickly for economic reasons...not for noble homelandish religious principles. It is becoming evident that Israel plans to expand as far as it can untill it creates not just the pip squeak antiquated little settlement on the Jordon ----------but expand into a substantial nation - with a good sea port and cultavatable lands and industry - that means that Gaza is just the bench mark - once that is gone - they will continue to expand - why would they not - no one is stopping them. I wonder what happens when those occupied settlements gets rocketed. Can it be considered an attack on Israel (eventhough it is not Israel proper) or can it be considered defense by the Palestinians for their land is being occupied to build jewish settlements??? Quote
Canadian Blue Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 I'll start this off by saying I'm for a two state solution in the Middle East. However, I'm not a retard so I'll post the following: this is how zionists deal with facts.what's the method used by the zionists? accuse others and propagate everything that they end up doing: - refusing independent account by not allowing both human rights organizations and the media into gaza - say hamas uses human shields when israel has done it themselves even after being outlawed by their own courts - even after an appeal to use palestinians as human shields - accuse hamas of not wanting to treat the wounded even though it's israel who either did not allow aid to go through or made it extremely difficult to do so, to treat the gazans who were being bombed by israel both of you are sad sad people. When exactly has Israel used human shields dub? Hamas is notorious for it, do you really think an organization that has attacked both Jews and Arabs in Israel is really concerned about children in Palestine being killed. Maybe if we simply got rid of people like dub who have a deranged hatred of Israel and the wacko's in the world who think Israel is right on everything, we could finally have a small measure of peace. Quote "Keep your government hands off my medicare!" - GOP activist
dub Posted March 4, 2009 Author Report Posted March 4, 2009 I'll start this off by saying I'm for a two state solution in the Middle East. However, I'm not a retard so I'll post the following:When exactly has Israel used human shields dub? Hamas is notorious for it, do you really think an organization that has attacked both Jews and Arabs in Israel is really concerned about children in Palestine being killed. The Israeli Defence Ministry will appeal against a supreme court ruling banning the use of Palestinian human shields in raids, officials said. Defence Minister Shaul Mofaz is prepared to make a personal appearance in court to defend the practice, ministry officials added. BBC News more, from the most recent conflict: “Our sources in Gaza report that Israeli soldiers have entered and taken up positions in a number of Palestinian homes, forcing families to stay in a ground floor room while they use the rest of their house as a military base and sniper position,” said Malcolm Smart, Amnesty International’s Middle East and North Africa Programme. “This clearly increases the risk to the Palestinian families concerned and means they are effectively being used as human shields.” Both Israeli soldiers and Palestinian gunmen are continuing to fire at each other from areas close to civilian homes, endangering their inhabitants. Israeli forces have bombed civilian homes and other buildings, arguing that they had been used as cover by gunmen firing at Israeli targets. although Palestinian fighters usually vacate the areas as soon as they have fired. “The Israeli army is well-aware that Palestinian gunmen usually leave the area after having fired and that any reprisal attack against these homes will in most cases cause harm to civilians -- not gunmen.” amnesty international: don't worry, i don't expect an apology. i'm just glad that we're all learning something. Maybe if we simply got rid of people like dub who have a deranged hatred of Israel and the wacko's in the world who think Israel is right on everything, we could finally have a small measure of peace. do you still want to get rid of people like me? all i'm sharing here are facts that are drowned out by fanatics on both sides. Quote
M.Dancer Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 The Israeli Defence Ministry will appeal against a supreme court ruling banning the use of Palestinian human shields in raids, officials said. Last Updated: Wednesday, 12 October 2005, 15:34 GMT 16:34 UK And.....? Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
M.Dancer Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 do you still want to get rid of people like me? all i'm sharing here are facts that are drowned out by fanatics on both sides. Don't be silly, the wheels of life need wingnuts.. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Oleg Bach Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 Remove the protective cloaking word Jew from the scenario. Imagine that Israel is inhabited by Native Americans...and we call the country India. Imagine that that Palistine was inhabited by blacks, we call that country Africa. Both of these regional areas behaved exactly as they do now... WHO would be the bad guy and who would be the good guys? It would really not matter would it? It does not matter to the global comminity either because our values and ideas of what is good and what is evil are in a state of constant flux - we are all morally neutral..and we are base. Who ever provides us with a dollar or hope of a dollar or a slice of bread is who we will side with...It's like a base minded wife or husband..they go like dogs to who ever has the pork chop. The problem is not Israel or Palistine it is us. We only serve those that serve us...which is natural..what has Israel done for us lately - and what has Palistine done for us lately - I would say Palistine in the simple fact of not taking a trillion dollars in aid has been kind. Quote
dub Posted March 4, 2009 Author Report Posted March 4, 2009 Don't be silly, the wheels of life need wingnuts.. you're a fanatic Dancer. just as your second last post shows, you will go to any length to try to justify wrong doings done by "your side". of course, you'll jump all over hamas if they use civilians as human shields, but when israel does it, you go into your "so what" mode. Quote
Canadian Blue Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 Don't be silly dub, point out how Israel uses human sheilds like Hamas does hoping that the body count will go up thus creating a propaganda victory. do you still want to get rid of people like me? all i'm sharing here are facts that are drowned out by fanatics on both sides. For the most part because you seem to have no criticism of a suicide bomber taking out school children on purpose while any action taken by Israel to defend their country is considered "genocide." Notice how the West Bank is much more peaceful than Gaza. Theirs a reason for it dub dub. Quote "Keep your government hands off my medicare!" - GOP activist
Oleg Bach Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 Don't be silly dub, point out how Israel uses human sheilds like Hamas does hoping that the body count will go up thus creating a propaganda victory.For the most part because you seem to have no criticism of a suicide bomber taking out school children on purpose while any action taken by Israel to defend their country is considered "genocide." Notice how the West Bank is much more peaceful than Gaza. Theirs a reason for it dub dub. The west bank is more peaceful than Gaza because the West Bank is rich and eating pastry while sitting in cafes talking to New York about their investments...and the next billion dollar bail out package about to arrive from America and elsewhere - Where as those in Gaza are picking up cigarettee buts and at each others throats because of the competition that poverty stimulates. Quote
M.Dancer Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 you're a fanatic Dancer.just as your second last post shows, you will go to any length to try to justify wrong doings done by "your side". of course, you'll jump all over hamas if they use civilians as human shields, but when israel does it, you go into your "so what" mode. Has Hmas ever prosecuted one of its terrorists for using human shields? Get back to me on that will you? And while your are at it....your news is 4 years old or as we say in french, 4 annes en retard... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Oleg Bach Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 Has Hmas ever prosecuted one of its terrorists for using human shields?Get back to me on that will you? And while your are at it....your news is 4 years old or as we say in french, 4 annes en retard... Typical - French look up the hill to the fancey old neighbourhood that is a bastion of old established Jewish wealth and they wait for the rain hoping that some money will float down...I asked a French Canadian Catholic woman why she converted to Judaism...It was a very sincere yet shallow stero-typical answer "because they have more money" _ swear that half the retards that embrace Israel do it because they are under some racist illusion that the Jews own every bank in the world and if you suck up to them they might give you some.... So it's not a noble and galant support of Israel that motivates these types - It's the money - that they will never get..Most of Christian America support Israel - for two reasons - dellusion of riches - and dellusion that God said Jews were better than them. Quote
dub Posted March 4, 2009 Author Report Posted March 4, 2009 Has Hmas ever prosecuted one of its terrorists for using human shields?Get back to me on that will you? And while your are at it....your news is 4 years old or as we say in french, 4 annes en retard... no one is saying that all hamas has done is right. they have received plenty of attention in regards to using human shields. certainly a lot from you. however, no attention seems to be going towards israel and its actions, certainly not from you. so what is there to get back to you on? israel has used civilians as human shields since the court ruling. it's not the first time that israel has violated its own court. why are you trying to justify israel's use of human shields? i don't get your logic. as the polite french would say, vous êtes un fanatique. Quote
M.Dancer Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 israel has used civilians as human shields since the court ruling. it's not the first time that israel has violated its own court. Israel, or more specifically, the IDF has prosecuted officers for using palestinians to convince suspects to surrender...years after the appeal, Funny how you over look that. As well, calling the use of civilians "human shields" is over dramatic. They are in little danger and their function is not to shild the IDF from the terrorists but to convince them to surrender so no one gets hurt...sort of like when the police get the wife of a suicide jumper to talk her husband out ofhurting himself.....I appaud the creativity of the IDF and their willingness to uphold court rulings they don't agree with. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
DogOnPorch Posted March 5, 2009 Report Posted March 5, 2009 How many have died as IDF human shields? Any numbers? --------------------------------------- It's a Daisy. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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