jdobbin Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Grow a spine, and vote the budget down, we dare you. You must really want the Tories to be defeated because of this budget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alta4ever Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 (edited) nice (attempted) deflection. The point remains you're clamoring for anything to help "improve" Alberta's equalization transfers - as is Danny Williams. Yes, double standard.nice swagger indeed. That you should presume on always being a "have province" is very close-minded, very myopic indeed. You're a one-trick province balanced on the non-renewable resource beam without any semblance of real diversification to keep you in that "have" category long-term - long term when (finally) the world turns away from fossil fuels... which really won't be that far away. Don't worry - unless you've actually gone and built that firewall, you can feel comforted that Canada will look after you in your "have not" days. No we wanted to reduce the transfer payments out you dumb son of. We weren't asking for more money back just less out of ours going out the doors. You smug we may not be a have province always but even when we struggled we got nothing after you pricks raped us with NEP, we had to balance our own budget while paying for you when that non renewable resouce was worth next to nothing. We don't want a handout from Canada thats your stick, you want others to solve your problems for you. We Have had to do solve problems you created for us before, we can solve our problems when they happen, so take your smug nanny state and shove it. Edited January 30, 2009 by Alta4ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Posted January 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 http://www.parl.gc.ca/information/library/...s/prb0820-e.htm IF this website works it contains how the equalization formula and how it works and who gets what. BTW, I heard that Manitoba premier, is very disappointed with Harper too, over the budget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alta4ever Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 You must really want the Tories to be defeated because of this budget. I would love to see some CPC members vote against it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Progressive Tory Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 hmmm... do ya think he got a hold of Harper's firewall letter?Harper Firewall Letter I also remember when he stated: 'I'm for Alberta first, and the rest of Canada a distant second'. I love being a distant second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alta4ever Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 I also remember when he stated: 'I'm for Alberta first, and the rest of Canada a distant second'. I love being a distant second. If he was for Alberta first he would not have approved that budget. Alberta first would have ment listening to his base, which a great portion of it is Alberta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 No we wanted to reduce the transfer payments out you dumb son of. We weren't asking for more money back just less out of ours going out the doors.You smug we may not be a have province always but even when we struggled we got nothing after you pricks raped us with NEP, we had to balance our own budget while paying for you when that non renewable resouce was worth next to nothing. We don't want a handout from Canada thats your stick, you want others to solve your problems for you. We Have had to do solve problems you created for us before, we can solve our problems when they happen, so take your smug nanny state and shove it. not sure why you continue to struggle with simplistic terminology. To “improve” equalization transfers either send less or receive more. As I said, “The point remains you're clamoring for anything to help "improve" Alberta's equalization transfers - as is Danny Williams.” you mistakenly interpret smugness – really, the discussion forum format doesn’t always translate well – does it? Inflection, body language, tone – all missing. I will grant you that it appears Albertan's have a real penchant for pulling out that NEP boogeyman, no matter how many generations back. Remember... not smug. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 If he was for Alberta first he would not have approved that budget. Alberta first would have meant listening to his base, which a great portion of it is Alberta. now I think I'm beginning to get it. That Alberta alienation you spoke of - it's cause Harper doesn't listen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alta4ever Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 not sure why you continue to struggle with simplistic terminology. To “improve” equalization transfers either send less or receive more. As I said, “The point remains you're clamoring for anything to help "improve" Alberta's equalization transfers - as is Danny Williams.”you mistakenly interpret smugness – really, the discussion forum format doesn’t always translate well – does it? Inflection, body language, tone – all missing. I will grant you that it appears Albertan's have a real penchant for pulling out that NEP boogeyman, no matter how many generations back. Remember... not smug. There is no way to improve it, just remove it. If you can't fund your own socalist agenda, do expect my hard work to do it for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 There is no way to improve it, just remove it. If you can't fund your own socalist agenda, do expect my hard work to do it for you. no problem - see 2009 Harper Conservative budget Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alta4ever Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 now I think I'm beginning to get it. That Alberta alienation you spoke of - it's cause Harper doesn't listen. Its because Ottawa doesn't listen, even when supposedly the PM is one of ours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alta4ever Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 no problem - see 2009 Harper Conservative budget wasn't removed just no increases in funding to provinces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 wasn't removed just no increases in funding to provinces. typing slower... fund your described "socialist agenda" (see 2009 Harper "Conservative" budget) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alta4ever Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 typing slower... fund your described "socialist agenda" (see 2009 Harper "Conservative" budget) That budget is socialist agenda, written for the liberals by the conservative finance minister approved by the Prime minsiter tring to stay in power. I rather face a defeat with the conservative prinicples in tact then see the "conservative" party turn into another liberal party. Much like pc's did in the 80's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancouver King Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 That budget is socialist agenda, written for the liberals by the conservative finance minister approved by the Prime minsiter tring to stay in power. I rather face a defeat with the conservative prinicples in tact then see the "conservative" party turn into another liberal party. Much like pc's did in the 80's. Why not channel your frustration into a new conservative movement, one where right of center principles reign over political expediency? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdobbin Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 That budget is socialist agenda, written for the liberals by the conservative finance minister approved by the Prime minsiter tring to stay in power. I rather face a defeat with the conservative prinicples in tact then see the "conservative" party turn into another liberal party. Much like pc's did in the 80's. But you will still vote for Harper next election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alta4ever Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 But you will still vote for Harper next election. I will not vote liberal or NDP, Harper better watch out in the next leadership review. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alta4ever Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 Why not channel your frustration into a new conservative movement, one where right of center principles reign over political expediency? nope just time to rattle some chains, replace some candidates in the party and remind them where their support and fundraising comes from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Posted January 31, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 I also remember when he stated: 'I'm for Alberta first, and the rest of Canada a distant second'. I love being a distant second. Very interesting letter I wonder how many Canadians, such as I, didn't know about it existed? Maybe it should have shown up in the newspapers during an elections campaign, give people something to think about. What the Tories say isn't what they think, sorry the Alliance members are the ones that think different but Harper always had a problem with the Atlantic provinces didn't he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Bill Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 MPs must answer to their constituents first, and if they say no, their representative in Ottawa must say no too. Excuse me? Say what? Wasn't Reform the only party to ever champion that idea? And didn't that idea die with everything else in the Reform platform when they merged with the PCs? Imagine, an MP actually listening first to his constituents instead of his party's Whip! Gee, you've got a great sense of humour! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdobbin Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 I will not vote liberal or NDP, Harper better watch out in the next leadership review. You will vote Conservative again and that means for Harper again. There will be no leadership review until after an election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alta4ever Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 You will vote Conservative again and that means for Harper again. There will be no leadership review until after an election. I will not be voting for the national party nor will I be supporting it, I will vote for the small c conservative that runs in my riding. If no such option exists I may just stay at home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Bill Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 you mistakenly interpret smugness – really, the discussion forum format doesn’t always translate well – does it? Inflection, body language, tone – all missing. I will grant you that it appears Albertan's have a real penchant for pulling out that NEP boogeyman, no matter how many generations back. Remember... not smug. Wow, you really know how to make Albertans feel better! How does one answer all the issues that have given them such hard feelings over the years? Easy! Just mock and scold them! You ought to change your alias to "Mr. Canadian Unity"! I doubt if you'd give a Quebecois poster the same hard time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alta4ever Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 Wow, you really know how to make Albertans feel better! How does one answer all the issues that have given them such hard feelings over the years? Easy! Just mock and scold them!You ought to change your alias to "Mr. Canadian Unity"! I doubt if you'd give a Quebecois poster the same hard time. And those jerks wonder why the country is ripping itself apart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 Wow, you really know how to make Albertans feel better! How does one answer all the issues that have given them such hard feelings over the years? Easy! Just mock and scold them!You ought to change your alias to "Mr. Canadian Unity"! I doubt if you'd give a Quebecois poster the same hard time. oh please – continually playing the trumped up alienation card from a province that sheepishly votes provincially/federally as a Conservative block, election after election after election. surely sensitivities can’t be that heightened to the point where ideological distinctions elicit claims of fostering disunity. Its because Ottawa doesn't listen, even when supposedly the PM is one of ours. I really could use some schooling here – please learn me. Just how is Alberta so hard done by compared to other provinces? Really, it should be so easy to itemize since it’s apparently a ready go-to for you. No biggee, just the top, oh say, half-dozen alienation drivers that uniquely set Alberta apart from the rest of the country. Wait – just the top 5 will do as we’ve already heard that Harper (as stated, one of theirs) doesn’t listen – although it’s not clear exactly what Harper isn’t listening to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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