Nfld Liberal will vote against the budget

[Topaz]

http://www.vocm.com/news-info.asp?id=33969 Seems one Lib from Nfld is going to vote against the budget.

[85RZ500]

Actually that's #2, and their cable guy premier is working on the other 4 to join the club.

Atta go Danny, your ABC fiasco seems to be backfiring.

But Quebec is in the same situation tho' the Bloc is already to vote it down.

Now what O arrogant Iggy, two provinces have stated they're are being treated unfarily by the budget which flys against the terms of your ammendment.

Grow a spine, and vote the budget down, we dare you.

[Progressive Tory]

Actually I've heard a lot of discussion this morning on this issue. There is no indication that Michael Ignatieff has instructed his party to vote his way or the highway, though I'm sure he would prefer they do.

In fact, many people are suggesting that there are also several Conservatives battling with such a large predicted deficit (now 85 billion dollars), when they campaigned so heavily against it. They also don't like the idea of a Liberal imposed probation.

MPs must answer to their constituents first, and if they say no, their representative in Ottawa must say no too. Bill Casey took that stand and has been admired for it.

I think members of all parties are wrestling with this. Perhaps they'll spend the weekend in their ridings to get a better feel for what they should do.

I was looking forward to three months of political calm, but maybe it's not to be. 'Black Monday' on the horizon? Damn.

[Alta4ever]

Is it any wonder the two provinces that are compliainign are the spoiled brats of confederation.

[85RZ500]

LOL, for the first time there Grandma, I agree with you. And I too have heard about unhappiness re the budget within the Conservative ranks.

Iggy with his broke uber minority is not in for easy times. He has a problem as I mentioned with the terms of their ammendment being broken. He has to force the Conservatives to comply or shut them down.

Watch and see.

Oh, and the fighter in me would never stand still for the hyperboyle the professor laid on his "students"

[Progressive Tory]

Is it any wonder the two provinces that are compliainign are the spoiled brats of confederation.

I think this budget is about more than just provincial discontent. Saskatchewan was upset when they were promised full revenue from resources, clawed back after the election. Alberta doesn't like the auto bailout.

I read online papers from across the country, paying close attention to the comments representing public opinion. There is definitely a different feeling nationwide.

This was a complete 180. We were told not to worry in the fall and then by winter must brace for an 85 billion deficit.

There is much more support for the budget in Ontario than in the West. More support for a Conservative probation period in Ontario than the West. Quebec hates the budget and the Maritimes are divided.

This is a tough one to call.

[Argus]

http://www.vocm.com/news-info.asp?id=33969 Seems one Lib from Nfld is going to vote against the budget.

Gee, what a shocker that a premier who works with the federal government does better for his province than a loud mouthed blowhard who never misses an opportunity to insult, browbeat and work against the federal government.

Who woulda thunk it!?

As for Quebec - those whores - no amount of money is ever enough for them. Transfer payments to Quebec have risen by 74% under the Tories and still they do nothing but whine.

Hey, if you don't like it, seperate. I won't miss any of you.

[Progressive Tory]

LOL, for the first time there Grandma, I agree with you. And I too have heard about unhappiness re the budget within the Conservative ranks.

Aw, how cute. You called me 'Grandma'. I have two grandsons now but they sure change your perspective on just about everything.

However, I think there may still be a bit of a bumpy ride ahead. This isn't going to be easy on anyone. They'll all wear it one way or another.

As to Iggys' students. They didn't get into Harvard, Cambridge or Oxford; by being sheep. They are tomorrow's leaders. They expect to be challenged, not preached to. Their professors can't rely on text books, though Iggy wrote many. He'd better know what he's talking about, because they'd never let him get away with it.

[madmax]

Is it any wonder the two provinces that are compliainign are the spoiled brats of confederation.

As one was a late comer to Confederation, just over a half century with us and now in the have status, I am not going to grind NFLD.

[madmax]

As for Quebec - those whores - no amount of money is ever enough for them. Transfer payments to Quebec have risen by 74% under the Tories and still they do nothing but whine.

The CPC rose transfer payments to Quebec by 74%?

WHY?

[Alta4ever]

As one was a late comer to Confederation, just over a half century with us and now in the have status, I am not going to grind NFLD.

I will as long as they have that Premier who has an idenity crisis. He seems to think he is a PQ or Bloc politician.

[Cameron]

Actually that's #2, and their cable guy premier is working on the other 4 to join the club.

Atta go Danny, your ABC fiasco seems to be backfiring.

But Quebec is in the same situation tho' the Bloc is already to vote it down.

Now what O arrogant Iggy, two provinces have stated they're are being treated unfarily by the budget which flys against the terms of your ammendment.

Grow a spine, and vote the budget down, we dare you.

I though Williams told Harper after the election that he wanted to play nice?

[waldo]

I will as long as they have that Premier who has an idenity crisis. He seems to think he is a PQ or Bloc politician.

hmmm... do ya think he got a hold of Harper's firewall letter?

Harper Firewall Letter

[noahbody]

As one was a late comer to Confederation, just over a half century with us and now in the have status, I am not going to grind NFLD.

If there's one province that shouldn't whine, it's Newfoundland. The oil revenue that has made them a have province constitutionally belongs to the federal government. I say take it back, then Newfoundland won't have to worry about the pains of being a have province ever again.

[capricorn]

This is not good optics for the Liberals to the casual political observer. Political junkies and the media salivate over what could be termed a standoff. With Iggy at the helm the Liberals hoped this would extinguish the party's infighting stories reported by the media when Chretien, Martin and Dion were their leader. But now the Liberals' dirty laundry is back in the news for all to see. Now, all eyes are on Ignatieff as to whether he will lower the boom on the two dissenters. Looks like the tables have been turned and it is the professor who will be tested.

[Alta4ever]

hmmm... do ya think he got a hold of Harper's firewall letter?

Harper Firewall Letter

Naw we wanted to stop the exploting of Alberta tax payers for buying off the east, danny wants his entitlements back big difference.

[waldo]

Naw we wanted to stop the exploting of Alberta tax payers for buying off the east, danny wants his entitlements back big difference.

no, no, no... self-serving provincial gain balanced against federal interests

[Alta4ever]

no, no, no... self-serving provincial gain balanced against federal interests

So exercising constitutional rights that 2 provinces in Canada already exercise is self serving. The firewall was about protecting Albertans from alienaton and abuse by the eastern provinces, our wallets aren't yours.

Self serving is wanting to have your federal trasferpayments increased even though you are now a have province.

BIG Difference.

[waldo]

So exercising constitutional rights that 2 provinces in Canada already exercise is self serving. The firewall was about protecting Albertans from alienaton and abuse by the eastern provinces, our wallets aren't yours.

Self serving is wanting to have your federal trasferpayments increased even though you are now a have province.

BIG Difference.

do you feel your firewall champion has been helping your so-called alienation... your so-called abuse? How's that workin out for ya?

[Alta4ever]

do you feel your firewall champion has been helping your so-called alienation... your so-called abuse? How's that workin out for ya?

No my champion is in Stelmachs cabinate. This would have worked out very well for us if Klien had gone through with it, becasue the easts control over us would have dissapeared. It is people like you who push the western alienation it is this ignorance and arrogance that creats the hard feeling and regional politics.

I guess you are just too stupid to see the difference though.

[noahbody]

do you feel your firewall champion has been helping your so-called alienation... your so-called abuse? How's that workin out for ya?

Well he did defeat Dion in the last election. That sure helped prevent alienation.

[Alta4ever]

Well he did defeat Dion in the last election. That sure helped prevent alienation.

Not really he seems to becoming one of those in Ottawa, much like the rest of the politicians that go there.

[waldo]

The firewall was about protecting Albertan's from alienation and abuse by the eastern provinces, our wallets aren't yours.

Self serving is wanting to have your federal transfer payments increased even though you are now a have province.

BIG Difference.

so – you state that Harper firewall would have protected you from alienation and abuse. Interesting, although perhaps you could elaborate on how the opting out from the Canada Pension Plan, the collecting of personal income tax, the creation of a provincial police force and the assuming of health-care policy… how any of that Harper firewall verbosity, can be realistically substantiated as a response to perceived abuse – or alienation (to whatever).

which leaves us the Harper firewall tax-and-transfer nugget – you know, improving the equalization in Alberta’s favour. Hey now – wait a minute – how can you rail against Danny Williams for calling for the same thing that you so unabashedly accept as Alberta “protection”.

I guess you are just too stupid to see the difference though.

notwithstanding your brazen double-standard, my personal sensitivities are not shaken by the stoopid label – I will attribute your lapse in decorum to your perceived slight and hyper-sensitivity, which I trust, is not an all encompassing Alberta trait.

[Alta4ever]

so – you state that Harper firewall would have protected you from alienation and abuse. Interesting, although perhaps you could elaborate on how the opting out from the Canada Pension Plan, the collecting of personal income tax, the creation of a provincial police force and the assuming of health-care policy… how any of that Harper firewall verbosity, can be realistically substantiated as a response to perceived abuse – or alienation (to whatever).

which leaves us the Harper firewall tax-and-transfer nugget – you know, improving the equalization in Alberta’s favour. Hey now – wait a minute – how can you rail against Danny Williams for calling for the same thing that you so unabashedly accept as Alberta “protection”.

notwithstanding your brazen double-standard, my personal sensitivities are not shaken by the stoopid label – I will attribute your lapse in decorum to your perceived slight and hyper-sensitivity, which I trust, is not an all encompassing Alberta trait.

The consitution allows us to manage all of the items you listed it is our RIGHT, which two other provinces currently do, these are the same two provinces that dominate the federal government.

As for the stupid label, I am soo sick of you people (used out forum rules, I would much prefer a better label) beleiving in your infite wisdom that you think you know best (what arrogance). Ottawa doesn't know whats best and will never know what is, and it is this arrogance typified by Trudeau that will in the end be what eventually rips this country apart. So keep on your stupid I know whats best for you socialist mindset and play the irritaing leftist games. As you maybe can tell my anger level has gone way up since the recent coup attempt, I am just not going play nice or worry about feelings more, you people are getting both barrels.

Why is it that Ont and Qb can have their own police force, but when alberta talks about this we are self serving. Qb can have control over its health care, and pension plan but we are horrible for wanting the same treatment... in your words why the brazen double standard. We are tired of the taxation without representation, as we have no representation in the provincial governments that spend the equalization funds.

Plain and simple Danny wants to stay on the public dole even though the province is a have province, we want to stop being the dole without representation in these provincial governments who spend our tax dollars on their pet projects when we have no representation how these monies are spent. There is no double standard it is the same problem, danny wants our tax dollars and we don't want to send them

The Difference between NF and Alberta is that Alberta sends more per capti in transfer payments then any other province. None of it was coming back to us. This has never been the case with Nf or any other province, they always got some of it back. We were paying for you with no benefit to us.

So no there is no double standard, Danny can learn to live within his means and find out that in Canada the price of sucess is now having to carry the rest of the leaches (which NF was) in the country.

[waldo]

nice (attempted) deflection. The point remains you're clamoring for anything to help "improve" Alberta's equalization transfers - as is Danny Williams. Yes, double standard.

nice swagger indeed. That you should presume on always being a "have province" is very close-minded, very myopic indeed. You're a one-trick province balanced on the non-renewable resource beam without any semblance of real diversification to keep you in that "have" category long-term - long term when (finally) the world turns away from fossil fuels... which really won't be that far away. Don't worry - unless you've actually gone and built that firewall, you can feel comforted that Canada will look after you in your "have not" days.