dub Posted January 27, 2009 Report Posted January 27, 2009 (edited) From Wikipedia...Neutral my azz... -------------------------------------------- Next up is Omar...(attempts to read name)...something September 11-ishy. I bet you can spell 'boxcutter'. ---Tom Tucker to Omar 'North Tower' @ children's spelling bee: Family Guy it's funny how one of the quotes you posted from wikipedia says: [citation needed] it doesn't matter what you post from wikipedia, it doesn't change the fact that iran declared itself neutral in the conflict. iran was also doing business with britain which was fighting against germany. stop trying to change history. "At the outbreak of World War II, Iran declared its neutrality, but the country was soon invaded by both Britain and the Soviet Union. Britain had been annoyed when Iran refused Allied demands that it expel all German nationals from the country. When Hitler invaded the Soviet Union in 1941, the Allies urgently needed to transport war matériel across Iran to the Soviet Union, an operation that would have violated Iranian neutrality. As a result, Britain and the Soviet Union simultaneously invaded Iran on August 26, 1941, the Soviets from the northwest and the British across the Iraqi frontier from the west and at the head of the Persian Gulf in the south. Edited January 27, 2009 by dub Quote
DogOnPorch Posted January 27, 2009 Report Posted January 27, 2009 (edited) as the quote you posted from wikipedia: [citation needed]it doesn't matter what you post from wikipedia, it doesn't change the fact that iran declared itself neutral in the conflict. iran was also doing business with britain which was fighting against germany. stop trying to change history. "At the outbreak of World War II, Iran declared its neutrality, but the country was soon invaded by both Britain and the Soviet Union. Britain had been annoyed when Iran refused Allied demands that it expel all German nationals from the country. When Hitler invaded the Soviet Union in 1941, the Allies urgently needed to transport war matériel across Iran to the Soviet Union, an operation that would have violated Iranian neutrality. As a result, Britain and the Soviet Union simultaneously invaded Iran on August 26, 1941, the Soviets from the northwest and the British across the Iraqi frontier from the west and at the head of the Persian Gulf in the south. Muslim 'leaders' throughout the Middle-East were seduced by Hitler's stance on the Jews. Stop trying to change history. ----------------------------------------- Roll them bones. ---A Bronx Tale Edited January 27, 2009 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
M.Dancer Posted January 27, 2009 Report Posted January 27, 2009 Muslim 'leaders' throughout the Middle-East were seduced by Hitler's stance on the Jews. Stop trying to change history.----------------------------------------- Roll them bones. ---A Bronx Tale Irans neurality was much like Finlands....except the allies could do something about Irans... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
DogOnPorch Posted January 27, 2009 Report Posted January 27, 2009 it's funny how one of the quotes you posted from wikipedia says: [citation needed] Welcome to the wonderful world of history. Everything needs citation. That doesn't mean it didn't happen. I could write a Wiki on the Battle of Britain from what I know off the top of my head. But, to get anything like full marks on a term paper, one needs to give sources. We used to call them bibliographies. Yeah...that is funny. -------------------------------------------- See my thumb? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dub Posted January 27, 2009 Report Posted January 27, 2009 Welcome to the wonderful world of history. Everything needs citation. That doesn't mean it didn't happen. I could write a Wiki on the Battle of Britain from what I know off the top of my head. But, to get anything like full marks on a term paper, one needs to give sources. We used to call them bibliographies. Yeah...that is funny.-------------------------------------------- See my thumb? you seem to have a lot of knowledge about history. you know, with wikipedia only a few clicks away. so we agree that iran stayed neutral in world war 2 and that britain and russia attacked iran so that they could get supplies to russia? Quote
DogOnPorch Posted January 27, 2009 Report Posted January 27, 2009 (edited) you seem to have a lot of knowledge about history. you know, with wikipedia only a few clicks away. I also have quite a vast trivia knowledge of the space programs of both the US and Russia/USSR. Enjoy (needs good 3D card) http://orbit.medphys.ucl.ac.uk/orbit.html so we agree that iran stayed neutral in world war 2 and that britain and russia attacked iran so that they could get supplies to russia? If by neutral you mean throwing parties for visiting SS men also keen on oil sources...then sure...neutral it is. The name change from Persia to Iran (Aryan) in 1935 was mere chance, as we can imagine. ------------------------------------------- Resistance is the only way to defeat the Zionists and their masters. ---President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Edited January 27, 2009 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dub Posted January 28, 2009 Report Posted January 28, 2009 (edited) I also have quite a vast trivia knowledge of the space programs of both the US and Russia/USSR.Enjoy (needs good 3D card) http://orbit.medphys.ucl.ac.uk/orbit.html If by neutral you mean throwing parties for visiting SS men also keen on oil sources...then sure...neutral it is. The name change from Persia to Iran (Aryan) in 1935 was mere chance, as we can imagine. there are many big holes in your argument. #1 - if nazi germany's main goal was to exterminate the jews and iran was SO for the nazi regime, why did iran have the largest jewish population in the middle east? (iran still has a fair number of jews living in it, despite the many incentives israel has offered iranian jews to leave iran.) #2 - also, iran did not allow any military activity to happen in iran, whether it was by germans or by the allied forces. this was the major reason england and soviet union attacked iran, so that they could get supplies through iran to soviet union from the persian gulf. but by declaring itself a neutral country, it would go against the rules of engagement. #3 - you keep avoiding this simple fact as well; iran did business with more than just the germans, they also did business with the british. who cares if they did more business with germany? #4 - and the biggest problem with your argument is that iran declared itself neutral. oh yeah.. here is more that may not be in wikipedia: iranians have been calling their country iran since before christ. Edited January 28, 2009 by dub Quote
DogOnPorch Posted January 28, 2009 Report Posted January 28, 2009 (edited) there are many big holes in your argument.#1 - if nazi germany's main goal was to exterminate the jews and iran was SO for the nazi regime, why did iran have the largest jewish population in the middle east? (iran still has a fair number of jews living in it, despite the many incentives israel has offered iranian jews to leave iran.) #2 - also, iran did not allow any military activity to happen in iran, whether it was by germans or by the allied forces. this was the major reason england and soviet union attacked iran, so that they could get supplies through iran to soviet union from the persian gulf. but by declaring itself a neutral country, it would go against the rules of engagement. #3 - you keep avoiding this simple fact as well; iran did business with more than just the germans, they also did business with the british. who cares if they did more business with germany? #4 - and the biggest problem with your argument is that iran declared itself neutral. oh yeah.. here is more that may not be in wikipedia: iranians have been calling their country iran since before christ. #1 Thank Cyrus the Great for one...and both recent Shah's, neither of whom were anti-Semitic, overall. Reza Shah was more pro-German for their stance on Communism and British Imperialism. He was perhaps a bit naive, perhaps. Germany looked like a winning horse to many circa 1935...smack in the middle of the Great Depression. Since the creation of Israel, the Jewish population has been dropping. The Islamic revolution saw a drop of the Jewish population by half. There may be a sizable amount left, but most have headed for greener pastures. #2 Iran was incapable of holding off anyone. If Germany was able to occupy the place (as was the general plan) you can bet there'd have been 'military activity'. Panzers need oil, too. #3 Reza Shaw was decidedly pro-German in his dealings once the Nazis got to power. Britain lost many contracts that they held for years to German concerns. The airline biz for example...Lufthansa was given a monopoly. #4 So did Holland. ------------------------------------------------------ Solutions are not the answer. ---President Richard M. Nixon Edited January 28, 2009 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted January 28, 2009 Report Posted January 28, 2009 oh yeah.. here is more that may not be in wikipedia: iranians have been calling their country iran since before christ. Yup...but officially since 1935. Interesting article on the name change... http://www.iranian.com/Opinion/2001/February/Persia/ ----------------------------------------- Any alliance whose purpose is not the intention to wage war is senseless and useless. ---Adolf Hitler Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dub Posted January 28, 2009 Report Posted January 28, 2009 (edited) Yup...but officially since 1935.Interesting article on the name change... http://www.iranian.com/Opinion/2001/February/Persia/ so "officially" iran was neutral in the conflict but that's not good enough for you because some guys liked to party with their blonde hair, blue eyed business partners... but when iranians have been calling themselves iranians for centuries, you want to go with what they officially wanted to be called by people outside of iran? and you want to use that as "fact" that iran was supporting the nazis? are you seriously interested in history or are you interested in changing it? Edited January 28, 2009 by dub Quote
DogOnPorch Posted January 28, 2009 Report Posted January 28, 2009 so "officially" iran was neutral in the conflict but that's not good enough for you because some guys liked to party with their blonde hair, blue eyed business partners... but when iranians have been calling themselves iranians for centuries, you want to go with what they officially wanted to be called by people outside of iran? and you want to use that as "fact" that iran was supporting to nazis?are you seriously interested in history or are you interested in changing it? Hey...I didn't write the article...lol. --------------------------------- I paint what I see. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dub Posted January 28, 2009 Report Posted January 28, 2009 (edited) Hey...I didn't write the article...lol. --------------------------------- I paint what I see. what? you seem to have attention deficit disorder. i'm talking about "you". so "officially" iran was neutral in the conflict but that's not good enough for you because some guys liked to party with their blonde hair, blue eyed business partners... but when iranians have been calling themselves iranians for centuries, you want to go with what they officially wanted to be called by people outside of iran? and you want to use that as "fact" that iran was supporting to nazis? are you seriously interested in history or are you interested in changing it? are you going to answer that or are you going to make an irrelevant comment again, followed by internet emoticons? Edited January 28, 2009 by dub Quote
M.Dancer Posted January 28, 2009 Report Posted January 28, 2009 All the iranians I know refer top tghemsleves and Persians....they also don't speak iranian either, they speak parsi... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
DogOnPorch Posted January 29, 2009 Report Posted January 29, 2009 All the iranians I know refer top tghemsleves and Persians....they also don't speak iranian either, they speak parsi... He's just witch hunting. ---------------------- Burn, baby burn. ---Magnificent Montague as well as Watts rioters Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted February 4, 2009 Report Posted February 4, 2009 The US did much business with Nazi Germany during that time period. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/2....secondworldwar Prescott Bush. Also 'in before BC mentions something about Canada', I am sure there were canadians who benefited greatly by trading with the enemy. Quote
blueblood Posted February 5, 2009 Report Posted February 5, 2009 The US did much business with Nazi Germany during that time period. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/2....secondworldwar Prescott Bush. Also 'in before BC mentions something about Canada', I am sure there were canadians who benefited greatly by trading with the enemy. Couldn't have been too much being as we declared war with them about a week after the Brits did. Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 5, 2009 Report Posted February 5, 2009 Couldn't have been too much being as we declared war with them about a week after the Brits did. Too late...the Nazi Party came to power in 1933. Hell, even at the height of WW2, the Bank of Canada was one the middlemen in liquidating gold looted by Nazi Germany. So what's the big deal? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
blueblood Posted February 5, 2009 Report Posted February 5, 2009 Too late...the Nazi Party came to power in 1933.Hell, even at the height of WW2, the Bank of Canada was one the middlemen in liquidating gold looted by Nazi Germany. So what's the big deal? Like I said it wasn't too bad. Everybody was dealing with them in the thirties. I don't know if the Americans were dealing with them from 39-41 though... Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
IranianPride Posted February 5, 2009 Report Posted February 5, 2009 (edited) No one knew about the concentration camps in 39-41. The Soviet Union on the other was an accomplished mass killer by 39, yet the US sent it the equivalent of $150 billion worth of today's dollars during the war. This was a regime that had starved 5 million Ukrainians to death in 1932-33, yet the US and UK embraced it within open arms, and even praised it in their press. Your ridiculous attacks on Iran only reveal your own intolerance and prejudice. Edited February 5, 2009 by IranianPride Quote
M.Dancer Posted February 5, 2009 Report Posted February 5, 2009 No one knew about the concentration camps in 39-41. The first camps opened in 1933 (dachau). They were well known. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
IranianPride Posted February 5, 2009 Report Posted February 5, 2009 (edited) And the US was doing business with Nazi Germany after 1933. No one thought the camps were death camps until the end of the war. Edited February 5, 2009 by IranianPride Quote
M.Dancer Posted February 5, 2009 Report Posted February 5, 2009 And the US was doing business with Nazi Germany after 1933. No one thought the camps were death camps until the end of the war. Were they pro nazi? Did they entertain Nazi delagations? Did they ponder the possibility of allowing Nazi troops on their soil? or more to the point, did they enforce the trading with the enemy act? Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
GostHacked Posted February 5, 2009 Report Posted February 5, 2009 Were they pro nazi? Did they entertain Nazi delagations? Did they ponder the possibility of allowing Nazi troops on their soil? or more to the point, did they enforce the trading with the enemy act? The first three questions you pose here are irrellevant , because the last question is the real question. Put the money where the mouth is. You don't have to be pro Nazi to do business with them. Those kinds of people just want the $$$$, and could care less of who they get it from. BC Hell, even at the height of WW2, the Bank of Canada was one the middlemen in liquidating gold looted by Nazi Germany. I wonder if anyone was convicted or even charged in regards to trading with the enemy. Canada or the US. Quote
M.Dancer Posted February 5, 2009 Report Posted February 5, 2009 I wonder if anyone was convicted or even charged in regards to trading with the enemy. Canada or the US. BUsh had his german funded assets siezed. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 5, 2009 Report Posted February 5, 2009 I wonder if anyone was convicted or even charged in regards to trading with the enemy. Canada or the US. Beats me....I don't waste my time on such moral equivalencies. Canada and the USA interned more than 150,000 citizens and resident aliens during WW2....no "Nazis" involved. Also, the "Nazis" would be very proud of the Apollo moon landings! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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