KeyStone Posted January 14, 2009 Report Posted January 14, 2009 This is good news. Very progressive. http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01/13/...ref=mpstoryview Quote
DogOnPorch Posted January 14, 2009 Report Posted January 14, 2009 This is good news. Very progressive.http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01/13/...ref=mpstoryview Under the Shah...no matter what one thinks of him now...stoning was forbidden. It was the Shah's White Revolution (modernization and westernization plan) that got the whole Islamic Revolution going. The clergy didn't like the idea of minorities in government and women with rights. Ayatollah Khomeini led the charge against the Shah's ambitious yet increasingly despotic reforms. Progress? Not really...I think gay pride parades are still a ways off. ------------------------------------- Wish you were her. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Oleg Bach Posted January 14, 2009 Report Posted January 14, 2009 Under the Shah...no matter what one thinks of him now...stoning was forbidden. It was the Shah's White Revolution (modernization and westernization plan) that got the whole Islamic Revolution going. The clergy didn't like the idea of minorities in government and women with rights. Ayatollah Khomeini led the charge against the Shah's ambitious yet increasingly despotic reforms.Progress? Not really...I think gay pride parades are still a ways off. ------------------------------------- Wish you were her. What's phenominal is that the current Iranian leader - Im a dinner job....Is exactly - EXACTLY - The perfect counter part of Bush - same level of intelligence and the same level of off the wall religious fundamentalism....once George is gone - his twin in Iran will be gone. Quote
BC_chick Posted January 14, 2009 Report Posted January 14, 2009 This is good news. Very progressive.http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01/13/...ref=mpstoryview Oh for cripe's sake, for a sec there I believed you. Yay, cheers to equal opportunity barbarism. Progress? I think not! Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
AngusThermopyle Posted January 14, 2009 Report Posted January 14, 2009 This is good news. Very progressive.http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01/13/...ref=mpstoryview You can't be serious, right? They're still stoning people, both women and men, so how is that "very progressive"? Are you so enamoured with that region and its people that you see the suggestion of ceasing this barbaric practise as being progressive? How bout they quit stoning people instead of just talking about it? How bout they introduce fair trials and equal rights for women? How about they drag themselves out of the middle ages and start acting like civilized human beings with an understanding of equal rights for all? Then you could say they are progressive. Quote I yam what I yam - Popeye
wulf42 Posted January 18, 2009 Report Posted January 18, 2009 Islam at its finest! but what can you expect from retarded backward medevil fanatics? Quote
ironstone Posted January 18, 2009 Report Posted January 18, 2009 Gosh,I'm afraid that if I were to admit that I strongly oppose stoning a person to death,in this case what may be the current practice in Iran or other similar countries,someone is going to call me a bigot.Or that I've been brainwashed by the Israeli lobbyists.Whatever.In certain circumstances,I support the death penalty,as long as it's done quicky to minimize suffering. If this is the start of a movement to abolish a truly horrific practice,then it is progress,however small. Quote Beware the Brookfield industrial complex...
KeyStone Posted January 24, 2009 Author Report Posted January 24, 2009 You can't be serious, right?They're still stoning people, both women and men, so how is that "very progressive"? Are you so enamoured with that region and its people that you see the suggestion of ceasing this barbaric practise as being progressive? How bout they quit stoning people instead of just talking about it? How bout they introduce fair trials and equal rights for women? How about they drag themselves out of the middle ages and start acting like civilized human beings with an understanding of equal rights for all? Then you could say they are progressive. I wasn't being serious. Sarcasm. While I defend Iran and the Arabs on some things, they still have decades to go to catch up in terms of civilization. Quote
KeyStone Posted January 24, 2009 Author Report Posted January 24, 2009 Oh for cripe's sake, for a sec there I believed you. Yay, cheers to equal opportunity barbarism. Progress? I think not! Let me ask you a question, BC Chick. When you did that little political survey, there was a question that said: Do you consider all cultures to be equal? What did you answer? Quote
eyeball Posted January 24, 2009 Report Posted January 24, 2009 (edited) How about they drag themselves out of the middle ages and start acting like civilized human beings with an understanding of equal rights for all? Then you could say they are progressive. What! I say again...WHAT!?! Surely you're not proposing we leave them to their own devices? Seriously though, are you actually coming around to see that the best way for people to gain an appreciation for equal human rights is to live in their absence? The path to enlightenment is almost always a painful one. The west interfered in this natural evolutionary process in Iran when it overthrew Mossadegh and installed the Shah and caused the backlash of Islamic fundamentalism that will now make it that much more difficult for human rights to take root. It remains to be seen whether we've learned anything about how counter-productive our interfering ways truly are. I kind of doubt it myself at the moment. Edited January 24, 2009 by eyeball Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
DogOnPorch Posted January 24, 2009 Report Posted January 24, 2009 (edited) What! I say again...WHAT!?! Surely you're not proposing we leave them to their own devices?Seriously though, are you actually coming around to see that the best way for people to gain an appreciation for equal human rights is to live in their absence? The path to enlightenment is almost always a painful one. The west interfered in this natural evolutionary process in Iran when it overthrew Mossadegh and installed the Shah and caused the backlash of Islamic fundamentalism that will now make it that much more difficult for human rights to take root. It remains to be seen whether we've learned anything about how counter-productive our interfering ways truly are. I kind of doubt it myself at the moment. The Shah was 'installed' by Stalin and Churchill in 1941...well before Mohammad Mosaddeq formed his government. The Shah's Dad was a Nazi, if you recall. The young Shah was also key in the choice of Mosaddeqq, appointing him to Premier...from where his popularity grew in urban areas (apparently, the only areas allowed to vote for him during his election to Prime Minister). Once Mosaddeqq was removed for nationalizing British oil companies, the Shah merely resumed the Monarchy as before...as his lot had for the previous 3,500 years or so. Also, it's convienient to think that everybody hated the Shah. He had his supporters as well as rivals. The Iranian coup was just as much an internal affair as a CIA operation (their money was used). --------------------------------------------- It's a Daisy. Edited January 24, 2009 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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