wulf42 Posted January 7, 2009 Author Report Posted January 7, 2009 No you should be ashamed for espousing the same values as the Taleban. I wasn't aware i was Muslim or that i want to force sharia law on anyone....or take away a women's right or .........ah nevermind its like arguing with my dog! Quote
M.Dancer Posted January 7, 2009 Report Posted January 7, 2009 Oh looky...now you are an English teacher...... When your call someone an idiot, it behooves you to spell above moron level. Obviously that bar is above your grasp. but i guess that is typical on here, when losing an arguement on a particular topic try to find something else use You don't have a argument, you have an emotion and not a particularly mature one. ....let me guess YOU'RE a Liberal too?? Since you didn't start this thread with anything intelligent to say I can't really comment on that last gem. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
eyeball Posted January 7, 2009 Report Posted January 7, 2009 This has to be one of the most stupid things I've ever read. Even more than this? We are charging one of our soldiers for putting a bullet in a Taliban peice of Garbage!! what utter nonsense...these scum our killing our soldiers and now we are going to charge one of our soldiers for killing one of them.....that is Total B.S. only in Canada, the man should get a medal for his service!wulf42 Wow. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
M.Dancer Posted January 7, 2009 Report Posted January 7, 2009 .........ah nevermind its like arguing with my dog! I take it the dog wins. But tell me? Which of you drools the most? Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
guyser Posted January 7, 2009 Report Posted January 7, 2009 Oh looky...now you are an English teacher...... but i guess that is typical on here, when losing an arguement on a particular topic try to find something else use.... YOu mean like this right........? wulf42oh and by the way your an idiot....lol So concede that you lost and go play somewhere that there are no shiny objects nor pointy sticks. You are an embarassment to the men and women who serve honourably. not to mention I think dancer is right Quote
guyser Posted January 7, 2009 Report Posted January 7, 2009 Like i thought you don't know any soldiers! Soldiers, a couple, fighter pilots one, and she is a relative (marriage) . She is currently operating out of North Bay. Nice girl , smart too, and I assure you, she would agree with me all the while shaking her head at your ignorance. Quote
AngusThermopyle Posted January 7, 2009 Report Posted January 7, 2009 Even more than this? Well its a close call eyeball, but yes, even more than that. Quote I yam what I yam - Popeye
eyeball Posted January 7, 2009 Report Posted January 7, 2009 You are an embarassment to the men and women who serve honourably. I notice Israel is being subjected to a lot of similarily helpful rhetoric these days too. Does there seem to be more of this than ususal these days or is it just me? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted January 7, 2009 Report Posted January 7, 2009 Well its a close call eyeball, but yes, even more than that. You're entitled to your opinion, but I'd still rather you also be entitled to a vote before we send our armed forces abroad. Our country's honour and good name is just to valuable to risk putting it in harm's way without Canadians directly sanctioning it themselves. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Progressive Tory Posted January 7, 2009 Report Posted January 7, 2009 Its people like you that underscore the fact that in a democracy people are responsible for the actions of their governments and armed forces. Civilian cheerleading of the sort you characterize, like murdering an enemy that is hors de combat, is guaranteed to put Canada in harm's way. Its things like these that leave me with the conviction that every single international military committment our government proposes to embark on should be ratified by Canadians in a referendum. The implications for Canadians are far to severe to leave to politicians and especially the sorts of political parties people like you support.People like General Hillier are being quoted as saying the two months its taken for this to come to light is "phenomenally quick" (source). Why it took more than two days should be disturbing, two weeks very disturbing, two months...beyond extremely disturbing. In light of the promises made to Canadians in the wake of Somalia the optics in this case are grotesque to say the least and the implications are even more terrifying. Semrau is charged with committing this murder while training the Afghan National Army. I wonder how far and wide and quickly this story has been spread amongst Afghans and the enemy - the so-called "scum", "crap" and "garbage" that's being killed in Canada's name? The very least Canadian's should be demanding is that our armed forces in Afghanistan be confined to their barracks until we know exactly what happened but even more importantly why it took so long for us to find out about it. If Semrau is guilty our armed forces should immediately come home and be confined to Canada forever. Its time every soldier (and cop) had a camera installed in their helmet so their actions can be subject to an audit, but more importantly to guarantee Canada's honour is the first thing that's being defended. I couldn't agree more. Very well said. The things that are done in our name are disgraceful. It has been said with bravado that our soldiers are dying for us, but they also are killing for us, and neither is acceptable. I support the troops and want them to come home alive. Our government keeps telling us that we are there helping to rebuild and not destroy. If this soldier's actions are not dealt with, all Canadians will be painted with the same brush. So what is a terrorist? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definition_of_terrorism What is the difference between a 'Freedom Fighter' and a 'Terrorist'? What is the difference betwee the 'Resistance' and 'Insurgents'? They all want the same thing - to rid their country of foreign invaders. If we can't uphold the Geneva Convention than maybe we're the 'Terrorists' in their eyes. Their cause will get a lot of mileage out of this if we don't convict this soldier. It's sad but he knew the rules or should have. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Topaz Posted January 7, 2009 Report Posted January 7, 2009 Today, his lawyer was saying it was a "mercy killing" and IF it was for the one reason that the Taliban was dying , why put two bullets in him? When one to the head would have done it, seems to me the soldier felt more angry towards the Taliban than sympathy and that why he fired twice. Whatever the reason he did it, he was breaking the law and I'm sure he knew it when he did it. Hey, I could be wrong only he really knows and Wulf42, if you feel so strong about this, why not join the service, go over there and do things your way and we can talk about you here in the forum, to see if you broke any laws?? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 7, 2009 Report Posted January 7, 2009 This is the same, stupid attitude that has left the Americans in the mess they are in, being hated and despised by most of the World, including countries that are supposed to be allies. If we do not hold our soldiers accountable, we'll end up with the same reputation as the Ugly Americans have with Abu Ghraib and contracted Blackwater mercenaries shooting everything in sight as they escort diplomats around Baghdad. You mean like all the "accountability" for what happened in Somalia (Airborne Regiment)? The Americans sure as hell do not pretend that the locals should love them just becuse their killing machine is more honourable. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
blueblood Posted January 7, 2009 Report Posted January 7, 2009 I couldn't agree more. Very well said. The things that are done in our name are disgraceful. It has been said with bravado that our soldiers are dying for us, but they also are killing for us, and neither is acceptable. I support the troops and want them to come home alive. Our government keeps telling us that we are there helping to rebuild and not destroy. If this soldier's actions are not dealt with, all Canadians will be painted with the same brush.So what is a terrorist? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definition_of_terrorism What is the difference between a 'Freedom Fighter' and a 'Terrorist'? What is the difference betwee the 'Resistance' and 'Insurgents'? They all want the same thing - to rid their country of foreign invaders. If we can't uphold the Geneva Convention than maybe we're the 'Terrorists' in their eyes. Their cause will get a lot of mileage out of this if we don't convict this soldier. It's sad but he knew the rules or should have. How do any of us know what the soldier was thinking when he shot the insurgent. The soldier has a legitimate defense. For all the soldier could have known, the insurgent could have been wired with explosives and could have pulled a string and blew himself and the capt. to smithereens in his dying breath. That soldier's number one priority is protecting himself, if he thinks that by capping an insurgent ensures that, then he will make his case to the military court. Judging by how crafty the Taliban and insurgents are at planting explosives, that dying corpse is a credible threat. Would you rather see this capt coming home in pieces in a box or having the chance to explain his actions? Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
wulf42 Posted January 7, 2009 Author Report Posted January 7, 2009 (edited) Good God.....what a brave group of Men we have on here tonight throwing insults behind a computer......lol but hey whatever...the point is.... should the Capt have drilled the guy? probably not and if he was injured as much as they say he was he would have bled out anyway if it had been me i wouldn't have risked my career over it but what is done is done we weren't there and i am sure there is more to this story,they should just have left the SOB where he was..and had it been a Afghan civilian or child or anyone else other than a terrorist that he had shot i would be the first to say charge the Capt with murder! but to waste taxpayers money on a trial for a decorated soldier drilling a Taliban......give me a break! A reprimand on his record maybe a trial no! Edited January 7, 2009 by wulf42 Quote
Topaz Posted January 7, 2009 Report Posted January 7, 2009 How do any of us know what the soldier was thinking when he shot the insurgent. The soldier has a legitimate defense. For all the soldier could have known, the insurgent could have been wired with explosives and could have pulled a string and blew himself and the capt. to smithereens in his dying breath. That soldier's number one priority is protecting himself, if he thinks that by capping an insurgent ensures that, then he will make his case to the military court. Judging by how crafty the Taliban and insurgents are at planting explosives, that dying corpse is a credible threat. Would you rather see this capt coming home in pieces in a box or having the chance to explain his actions? Good try and it could have happen but it didn't from news reports and what his lawyer is saying. He didn't have to worry about protecting himself because reports said that they took away his gun. Quote
wulf42 Posted January 7, 2009 Author Report Posted January 7, 2009 Today, his lawyer was saying it was a "mercy killing" and IF it was for the one reason that the Taliban was dying , why put two bullets in him? When one to the head would have done it, seems to me the soldier felt more angry towards the Taliban than sympathy and that why he fired twice. Whatever the reason he did it, he was breaking the law and I'm sure he knew it when he did it. Hey, I could be wrong only he really knows and Wulf42, if you feel so strong about this, why not join the service, go over there and do things your way and we can talk about you here in the forum, to see if you broke any laws?? I already served and retired due to arthritis, i wonder how many on here have done the same? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 7, 2009 Report Posted January 7, 2009 Good God.....what a brave group of Men we have on here tonight throwing insults behind a computer......lol but hey whatever...the point is.... should the Capt have drilled the guy? probably not and if he was injured as much as they say he was he would have bled out anyway,they should just have left the SOB where he was..and had it been a Afghan civilian or child or anyone else other than a terrorist that he had shot i would be the first to say charge the Capt with murder! but to waste taxpayers money on a trial for a decorated soldier drilling a Taliban......give me a break! Better to be judged by twelve than carried by six. If the insurgent was not secured OR if the Captain believed he was not secured, he has to make a decision in his favor, not the captive's. Have your investigation and summary proceedings if it makes you feel better (and superior).....soldiers in the field don't always have that luxury. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
wulf42 Posted January 7, 2009 Author Report Posted January 7, 2009 Better to be judged by twelve than carried by six. If the insurgent was not secured OR if the Captain believed he was not secured, he has to make a decision in his favor, not the captive's. Have your investigation and summary proceedings if it makes you feel better (and superior).....soldiers in the field don't always have that luxury. Well said! Quote
blueblood Posted January 7, 2009 Report Posted January 7, 2009 Good try and it could have happen but it didn't from news reports and what his lawyer is saying. He didn't have to worry about protecting himself because reports said that they took away his gun. Did your toaster tell you what an IED is? It is those things that go boom that have been causing a lot of Canadian casualties. A dying person can most definetely set one off whether it is on his person or in the immediate viscinity. The captain gets to come home, he did his job. Guns aren't the only way soldiers die. Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
wulf42 Posted January 7, 2009 Author Report Posted January 7, 2009 Did your toaster tell you what an IED is? It is those things that go boom that have been causing a lot of Canadian casualties. A dying person can most definetely set one off whether it is on his person or in the immediate viscinity. The captain gets to come home, he did his job. Guns aren't the only way soldiers die. Unfortunately Blueblood the people on here would rather see our guys be victims.....God forbid we offend a Taliban or terrorist....sickening actually. Our soldiers are trying to keep alive over there and these guys are more worried about the Taliban. Quote
Shady Posted January 7, 2009 Report Posted January 7, 2009 This has to be one of the most stupid things I've ever read. OMG, I didn't even notice that until your post. Good God are some people stupid. And I agree, I can't recall anything more idiotic ever being uttered, or typed. Quote
guyser Posted January 7, 2009 Report Posted January 7, 2009 Why the turnabout? I thought you were secure in your knowledge? Good God.....what a brave group of Men we have on here tonight throwing insults behind a computer..... You insulted the men and women who are there. We, collectively have done no such thing. should the Capt have drilled the guy? probably not and if he was injured as much as they say he was he would have bled out anyway if it had been mei wouldn't have risked my career over it So you do know that it would be wrong to shoot him, otherwise there would be no risk to your career. And so with that in mind, why not put him on trial for the exact same thing you have admitted knowing is wrong? but to waste taxpayers money on a trial for a decorated soldier drilling a Taliban......give me a break! A reprimand on his record maybe a trial no! bluebloodHow do any of us know what the soldier was thinking when he shot the insurgent. That has nothing to do with it. To claim he has a defence, at this stage, with what we know, is false. If, and thats if, it went down as claimed, and will be either acknowledged or disporven in court, he simply lost it and killed the guy. Your IED scenario does not play out from the scant knowledge we have. If that were his case, then he is justified in shooting the man. But he walked up to him and disarmed him.That does not lend to being worried about an explosive does it? Quote
punked Posted January 7, 2009 Report Posted January 7, 2009 Unfortunately Blueblood the people on here would rather see our guys be victims.....God forbid we offend a Talibanor terrorist....sickening actually. Our soldiers are trying to keep alive over there and these guys are more worried about the Taliban. I hear you might be Taliban government better send someone to your house to kill you. Quote
wulf42 Posted January 7, 2009 Author Report Posted January 7, 2009 Why the turnabout? I thought you were secure in your knowledge?You insulted the men and women who are there. We, collectively have done no such thing. So you do know that it would be wrong to shoot him, otherwise there would be no risk to your career. What turnabout???? I said it is wrong to charge this Capt and i still do........no i wouldn't have done it but that doesn't mean i think we should charge this Man over a stinking Taliban Quote
guyser Posted January 7, 2009 Report Posted January 7, 2009 Unfortunately Blueblood the people on here would rather see our guys be victims.....God forbid we offend a Talibanor terrorist....sickening actually. Our soldiers are trying to keep alive over there and these guys are more worried about the Taliban. Who on MLW "would rather see our guys be victims". Name one person. You wont, because you cant. Pathetic dude, just pathetic. Quote
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