Canadian Political Polls

ToadBrother · July 2, 2009

Here are the rest of the numbers:
http://www.nanosresearch.com/library/polls...T-S09-T380E.pdf

In Ontario, Conservatives 42.4, Liberals 40.9

In British Columbia, Liberals 36.4, Conservatives 30.4

I'm wondering how much potential EI reforms in the Fall may effect the BC numbers. The Tories most certainly have taken a hit over that in Lotus Land.

punked · July 2, 2009

I'm wondering how much potential EI reforms in the Fall may effect the BC numbers. The Tories most certainly have taken a hit over that in Lotus Land.

The new ekos shows a much different picture of BC.

Conservatives 33.9 Liberals 26.6 NDP 24.5 Green 15.2

jdobbin · July 7, 2009

Latest Strategic Counsel poll:

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/reuters/090707/...s_politics_poll

The Strategic Counsel survey, published in the Globe and Mail newspaper, put the Conservatives ahead of the Liberals for the first time since April. The poll showed the Conservatives with 34 percent support and the Liberals with 33 percent. The left-leaning New Democrats stood in third place at 15 percent.

Every summer as Parliament is out, the Tories rise.

I wonder if they will call a snap election before Parliament even resumes in the fall to ensure they don't lose on a confidence measure.

myata · July 7, 2009

Concervative or Liberal minority wouldn't make one grain of a difference for the country, the only one being who gets to move to the Sussex house. I wouldn't even bother to vote because it's becoming increasingly difficult to tell apart the main two parties, and voting anywhere else, in most cases is as good as spoiling your ballot. Maybe that would be the only meaningful choice in this situation?

jdobbin · July 7, 2009

Concervative or Liberal minority wouldn't make one grain of a difference for the country, the only one being who gets to move to the Sussex house. I wouldn't even bother to vote because it's becoming increasingly difficult to tell apart the main two parties, and voting anywhere else, in most cases is as good as spoiling your ballot. Maybe that would be the only meaningful choice in this situation?

Or you could run yourself and put your money where your mouth is.

Topaz · July 7, 2009

Concervative or Liberal minority wouldn't make one grain of a difference for the country, the only one being who gets to move to the Sussex house. I wouldn't even bother to vote because it's becoming increasingly difficult to tell apart the main two parties, and voting anywhere else, in most cases is as good as spoiling your ballot. Maybe that would be the only meaningful choice in this situation?

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I see your point with Harper and Iggy. Maybe its time for the people that feel the way that you do to show more support to the NDP, just to wake up the other two. Can you imagine how bad things could get if the NDP was a threat to the two-take-for-granted parties??

jdobbin · July 7, 2009

Can you imagine how bad things could get if the NDP was a threat to the two-take-for-granted parties??

The NDP does not want to govern. They want to oppose.

Dave_ON · July 7, 2009

Latest Strategic Counsel poll:
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/reuters/090707/...s_politics_poll

Every summer as Parliament is out, the Tories rise.

I wonder if they will call a snap election before Parliament even resumes in the fall to ensure they don't lose on a confidence measure.

The poll surveyed 1,000 people from July 2 to 5, a sample with a margin of error of plus or minus 3.1 percent nationally.

With a margin of error of 3.1% this isn't really a lead it's a statistical tie. Really the margin of error has been around the 3% mark for most of the polls in the last while. This really isn't much of a change in either of their numbers. They've both consistantly been in the 30's and it far too soon to make any judgements on what this portents if anything at all.

punked · July 7, 2009

The NDP does not want to govern. They want to oppose.

Accept for the fact they have written 5 times the amount of bills the Liberals have this session right? But don't let the facts get in your way just becuase your party votes with the Conservatives all the time.

jdobbin · July 7, 2009

Accept for the fact they have written 5 times the amount of bills the Liberals have this session right? But don't let the facts get in your way just becuase your party votes with the Conservatives all the time.

We have already seen your feelings on private member's bills in Manitoba.

Smallc · July 7, 2009

The NDP writes bills....sure, but as long as they keep Layton as leader, they have no intention of governing. It's not about quantity.

punked · July 7, 2009

We have already seen your feelings on private member's bills in Manitoba.

You mean when you over stated your parties contribution too such? Yah remember that but my stats aren't made up on the federal NDP they are real.

punked · July 7, 2009

The NDP writes bills....sure, but as long as they keep Layton as leader, they have no intention of governing. It's not about quantity.

We can't govern with a Liberal and Conservative Senate anyway they would fry us by starving Canada.

jdobbin · July 7, 2009

You mean when you over stated your parties contribution too such? Yah remember that but my stats aren't made up on the federal NDP they are real.

I showed you the stats and you dismissed them. They were real.

Private member's bill don't show a commitment to govern even when Liberals put them forward.

My argument with the NDP was that they have had a very light legislative agenda the last few years, are risk adverse and adopt legislation after it has been proposed by other parties first. And that is all real too.

punked · July 7, 2009

I showed you the stats and you dismissed them. They were real.
Private member's bill don't show a commitment to govern even when Liberals put them forward.

My argument with the NDP was that they have had a very light legislative agenda the last few years, are risk adverse and adopt legislation after it has been proposed by other parties first. And that is all real too.

The problem was you asserted the Liberals created half the private members bills. They did not.

The next problem was you are ready to praise Liberals in Man for creating half the private members bills but when in the Feds they only create 20-30% while the NDP creat 60-65% you say all they do is Oppose? You don't get to have it both ways. Sorry the Federal Liberals only want to agree with Harper and campaign but the experience to run the government does not come from campaigning. The NDP have a real shadow government doing real things the government should do, the Liberals just scream and agree with Harper.

jdobbin · July 7, 2009

The problem was you asserted the Liberals created half the private members bills. They did not.

I said Opposition and Liberal created half the bills which they did. The Liberals created the majority of those bills.

I showed that to you as well but you also ignored it.

The next problem was you are ready to praise Liberals in Man for creating half the private members bills but when in the Feds they only create 20-30% while the NDP creat 60-65% you say all they do is Oppose? You don't get to have it both ways. Sorry the Federal Liberals only want to agree with Harper and campaign but the experience to run the government does not come from campaigning. The NDP have a real shadow government doing real things the government should do, the Liberals just scream and agree with Harper.

No, what I said was the Liberals and Opposition were creating private members bills that the NDP wouldn't support and later re-introduced themselves later on.

As for your contention that the NDP are the real opposition, the recent polling has the NDP at 15%.

Edited July 7, 2009 by jdobbin

normanchateau · July 7, 2009

Latest Strategic Counsel poll:
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/reuters/090707/...s_politics_poll

Every summer as Parliament is out, the Tories rise.

Or maybe it's because Canadians prefer a government which spends like a drunken sailor.

"Here's an idea for Michael Ignatieff if he's still looking for an excuse to bring down the Tories: The Liberal leader should force an election on the basis that the country needs a conservative government.

We don't seem to have one at the moment. If Parliamentary budget officer Kevin Page is right, what we have is a deficit-crazed pack of wild spendomaniacs, who have drunk so deeply at the well of the God Stimulus that we'll be $160 billion in the hole by 2014, with a permanent $12 billion structural shortfall and no way out other than to cut spending or raise taxes."

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/f...hen-harper.aspx

madmax · July 7, 2009

My argument with the NDP was that they have had a very light legislative agenda the last few years, are risk adverse and adopt legislation after it has been proposed by other parties first. And that is all real too.

Thats a load of Malarky....

jdobbin · July 7, 2009

Thats a load of Malarky....

I think I have pretty much shown that it is true. And now there is growing talk of Doer running for the federal Liberals at some point.

I wonder what the average car carrying NDPer will say then. Probably wouldn't be a lot of nice thing to say about him then.

Smallc · July 7, 2009

We can't govern with a Liberal and Conservative Senate anyway they would fry us by starving Canada.

You can't govern as long as you stay too far to the left. It's simply reality.

Topaz · July 8, 2009

The NDP does not want to govern. They want to oppose.

And they DO a very GOOD job getting under Harper`s skin!!!!!!

Topaz · July 8, 2009

Or maybe it's because Canadians prefer a government which spends like a drunken sailor.
"Here's an idea for Michael Ignatieff if he's still looking for an excuse to bring down the Tories: The Liberal leader should force an election on the basis that the country needs a conservative government.

We don't seem to have one at the moment. If Parliamentary budget officer Kevin Page is right, what we have is a deficit-crazed pack of wild spendomaniacs, who have drunk so deeply at the well of the God Stimulus that we'll be $160 billion in the hole by 2014, with a permanent $12 billion structural shortfall and no way out other than to cut spending or raise taxes."

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/f...hen-harper.aspx

Just remember there`s 600Mil. people out of work, and as the finance minister and Harper keeps saying it really not their fault and WE are better off than the US.....isn`t every country better off than the US? Excuses!

M.Dancer · July 8, 2009

Just remember there`s 600Mil. people out of work

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Must have a chinese toaster...

myata · July 8, 2009

Can you imagine how bad things could get if the NDP was a threat to the two-take-for-granted parties??

This system is rigged against any other party coming even remotely close to claiming the prize. Barring a miracle, smaller parties would never be able to get off the ground and will be written off by majority of voters as irrelevant. It's really Iggy or Harper or do not vote at all (the most sensible of all other options).

Keepitsimple · July 8, 2009

This system is rigged against any other party coming even remotely close to claiming the prize. Barring a miracle, smaller parties would never be able to get off the ground and will be written off by majority of voters as irrelevant. It's really Iggy or Harper or do not vote at all (the most sensible of all other options).

Since 1867, Canada has been built through choosing the Iggy or Harper of the day. We haven't turned out so bad. The major change over the years is the real-time immediacy of the media and how that "every minute counts in getting a scoop" mentality leads to a feeding frenzy. The Iggy and Harpers of today are no worse than the Pearsons and Diefenbakers of yesterday. Their job is made harder though with the advent of the Bloc because minority Parliaments are by their nature, fractious.