Religious Right in Canada

[Mr.Canada]

NAME A LAW WHICH ORIGINATED IN THE BIBLE??? You can't because I do not believe you have even opened the book up.

punked, I have never said it did. You're getting this from someplace not based in reality.

The old laws prohibiting stores from opening on Sunday.

The old laws forbidding sodomy---homosexual relations

Old Adultery laws as well.

Those were three definitely inspired by the Bible.

Edited December 28, 2008 by Mr.Canada

[ToadBrother]

punked, I have never said it did. You're getting this from someplace not based in reality.

The old laws prohibiting stores from opening on Sunday.

The old laws forbidding sodomy---homosexual relations

Those were two defiintely inspired by the Bible.

No one denies some Mosaic *laws* did make it into later European legal systems. But surely even you must recognize that a law and a legal system are two different things. Were some laws based on Biblical teachings enforced when various nations adopted Christianity. Of course they were. Were the native legal systems overthrown because a few Old Testament laws were put in place? No, they were not. Much of Europe had been Roman, and it was those Roman laws which were inherited even after the WEstern Empire collapsed. Justinians codifications, which were the last major codificaton of Roman law, became well used simply because it was a variant of the legal system that had been common in the Mediterranean world even before the birth of Christ.

The Germanic countries were, by and large, not very influenced by Roman law (being as they were not conquered by the Romans). The tribal laws became the foundation of various systems as these tribes coalesced into larger states. The Anglo-Saxons brought their own variant of those Germanic laws with them when they began invading Britain in the 5th century, before they had converted ot Christianity. This was the origin of English Common Law, which is the foundation of the legal systems of damned near every single English-speaking country and former British colony out there. The Common Law certainly was not based on Mosaic Law, and even with the admixture of some specific laws of Mosaic origin, was still very much at its core Germanic in origin. In fact, I'd say more change came to it when the Normans imported concepts like jury trials (not Mosaic either) and more formalized judicial procedures, than anything that the first Christian monks and missionaries to re-enter the British Isles after the pagan West Germanic peoples did.

[Mr.Canada]

punked is quiet, mission accomplished. Instead of saying 'Mr.Canada is correct' I get silence which is just as good and the same. Thanks.

[punked]

punked, I have never said it did. You're getting this from someplace not based in reality.

The old laws prohibiting stores from opening on Sunday.

The old laws forbidding sodomy---homosexual relations

Old Adultery laws as well.

Those were three definitely inspired by the Bible.

I went out when you claimed victory. So you can name no laws? So you agree there are none to very few laws based on Mosaic code? I am right? I think that is what you are saying. Seriously I studied religion I understand it. You are making claims which are false which is not right

[DrGreenthumb]

Yet, you socialists must tell us how to live our lives right. You see, you people are doing the same thing to the rest of us that you're trying to say we're wanting to do to you.

Exchange religious for secular and we feel the exact same way as you Urbanites. Urban people are constantly trying to tell the rst of Canada how they should live and think.

I'm not an urbanite either BTW. You accused me in another thread of the same thing. I live on an acreage 10 miles from the closest town which has a population of about 2000 ppl. I'm not sure why you think calling someone a city dweller is an insult either. If most ruralites think like you, I'm damn glad we have urbanites to protect us from the small minded small towners.

[M.Dancer]

NAME A LAW WHICH ORIGINATED IN THE BIBLE??? You can't because I do not believe you have even opened the book up.

None.

Our laws have their roots in the Anglo Saxon code (which predates their conversion to christianity) and Roman law.

Ecclesiastical law is another story and hasn't been actionable for over 100 years.

[M.Dancer]

He wants us to follow His Law's as they're written and not to pick and choose what suits us. All must be followed. Small price to pay for eternal life. He gave his worldly life for us after all.

Seeing isn't believing. Believing is seeing.

Absurd.

Please in future refrain from eating pork or lobster, mixing meat and milk or trimming the corners of your beard or you temples.

[gordiecanuk]

Absurd.

Please in future refrain from eating pork or lobster, mixing meat and milk or trimming the corners of your beard or you temples.

How does anyone in the name of holy Hannah think they can interpert the Bible anyway??? Even Jesus' own disciples didn't know what he was talking about half the time.

"What did He say Pete...the temple would be torn down and rise up on the third day"???? "Oh!!! I get it NOW!!! He was talking about his body being a temple, dang we were all so stupid"

Jesus' teachings were spoken using metaphors, and now we've got fundamentalists who want to interpert everything literally. If Jesus was talking about 'his body' when speaking of the temple...just maybe he was speaking about something else when he spoke of the second coming.

D'uh...dangerous to argue with religious extremists I know...couldn't resist.

[Mr.Canada]

Absurd.

Please in future refrain from eating pork or lobster, mixing meat and milk or trimming the corners of your beard or you temples.

Speaking of absurd. I'm a RC not a Sola Scriptura Protestant. I follow the teachings of the RCC.

[Mr.Canada]

How does anyone in the name of holy Hannah think they can interpert the Bible anyway??? Even Jesus' own disciples didn't know what he was talking about half the time.

"What did He say Pete...the temple would be torn down and rise up on the third day"???? "Oh!!! I get it NOW!!! He was talking about his body being a temple, dang we were all so stupid"

Jesus' teachings were spoken using metaphors, and now we've got fundamentalists who want to interpert everything literally. If Jesus was talking about 'his body' when speaking of the temple...just maybe he was speaking about something else when he spoke of the second coming.

D'uh...dangerous to argue with religious extremists I know...couldn't resist.

You're speaking largely about Protestantism as they practice Sola Scriptura. RC's don't do this. A common misconception of many. Just wanted to clarify for you.

[normanchateau]

That party is the Conservative party or Tories and they are led by Stephan Harper, an evangelical Christian, a family man, a Joe everyman, just like you and me friends.

Who is Stephan Harper?

I think you mean this man:

http://misseye.files.wordpress.com/2007/08...phen-harper.jpg

[fellowtraveller]

The most hardcore, evangelical, Bible thumping, fire-and-brimstone loving person in recent Canadian poltics is not Harper.

It is Tommy Douglas.

[ToadBrother]

You're speaking largely about Protestantism as they practice Sola Scriptura. RC's don't do this. A common misconception of many. Just wanted to clarify for you.

Sola Scriptura isn't even a feature of a number of the major Protestant churches. In reality, as it is largely practiced by Evangelicals in North America, it's rather new, dating back to the 19th century.

[normanchateau]

The most hardcore, evangelical, Bible thumping, fire-and-brimstone loving person in recent Canadian poltics is not Harper.

It is Tommy Douglas.

That must be why Stephen Harper, who for most of his life passionately opposed the Canada Health Act, miraculously flip-flopped and decided to support the Tommy Douglas plan:

http://www.vivelecanada.ca/article/9191983...ks-medicare-law

With miracles like this, we can only wonder on which of his absurd, long-held beliefs Harper will next flip-flop.

[Mr.Canada]

Sola Scriptura isn't even a feature of a number of the major Protestant churches. In reality, as it is largely practiced by Evangelicals in North America, it's rather new, dating back to the 19th century.

They may not call it this but this is what Protestants do. They believe in only what the Bible says, nothing else. I was a Protestant(Presby), went to Sunday School and the whole 9 yards but later converted to the RCC.

[normanchateau]

The most hardcore, evangelical, Bible thumping, fire-and-brimstone loving person in recent Canadian poltics is not Harper.

It is Tommy Douglas.

How fortunate that he never became Prime Minister.

[Mr.Canada]

How fortunate that he never became Prime Minister.

Tommy Douglas truly cared for the people and I would've voted for him most likely. I don't see that amount of love for Canadians in any of our party leaders today.

[Smallc]

Tommy Douglas truly cared for the people and I would've voted for him most likely.

How could you possibly vote for him? You always say that the CPC isn't even right wing enough for you.

[Mr.Canada]

How could you possibly vote for him? You always say that the CPC isn't even right wing enough for you.

It isn't always about me. It's about what's best for Canada in the end. That's what's important not partisanship all the time.

[ToadBrother]

They may not call it this but this is what Protestants do. They believe in only what the Bible says, nothing else. I was a Protestant(Presby), went to Sunday School and the whole 9 yards but later converted to the RCC.

Most Protestants like to claim this, but the reality is that the major churches heavily reinterpret a lot of passages, thus they are not practicing Sola Scriptura. Technically speaking, I don't think anyone could, but some of Evangelical churches are much more in that vein; subservience of women, Young Earth Creationism, etc.

[Mr.Canada]

Most Protestants like to claim this, but the reality is that the major churches heavily reinterpret a lot of passages, thus they are not practicing Sola Scriptura. Technically speaking, I don't think anyone could, but some of Evangelical churches are much more in that vein; subservience of women, Young Earth Creationism, etc.

Sounds good to me I agree with you. Very reasonable statement. Not because it makes everyone feel good but for the truth within it.

[scribblet]

The most hardcore, evangelical, Bible thumping, fire-and-brimstone loving person in recent Canadian poltics is not Harper.

It is Tommy Douglas.

I'll say, not to mention that thesis he wrote hmmmm

I just love the way people are desperate to paint Harper as some religious nut when he never talks about his religion or makes it an issue. The only people to do that are desperate to try and pin a label on him LOL

Good thing we've had a lot of RC PMs who belong to a church that is very socially conservative, hmmm, then we have Jack Layton who belongs to the United Church. Elizabeth May is an Anglican, who said in an opinion piece in the NP , "My religious faith is a large part of who I am, but it has nothing to do with the Green party and our policies." ditto to Harper and the others.

Stephane Dion describes himself as Catholic, and he did say on the Michael Coren show,he did talk about his desire to "reconcile people with God's environment" and saving the planet "given to us by God." hmmm so get with the party guys, the mud isn't sticking.

[Black Dog]

I just love the way people are desperate to paint Harper as some religious nut when he never talks about his religion or makes it an issue. The only people to do that are desperate to try and pin a label on him LOL

Actually in this thread, the religious nut is trying to claim Harper as one of his own.

[scribblet]

I suppose they do, there are some out there who would fit in better with the CHP, however, all parties have open membership right? These people, as much as we may dislike their views have as much right as anyone else to voice their opinions. If they choose the CPC as their vehicle, that's life, it's democracy.

Last time I checked the Liberals had their fair share too.

[Mr.Canada]

Actually in this thread, the religious nut is trying to claim Harper as one of his own.

A Christian living his or her faith is a religious nut?