Parliament lost confidence, how about you?

[cybercoma]

I'm just wondering how confident the people are in Harper's government.

[-VMG-]

I've never been confident in harper's government... i could potentially be confident with a conservative government if they didn't have an arrogant ass for a leader.

[Ontario Loyalist]

The Coalition is legal and constitutional, so the real problem is with Harper's quasi-fascist attitude towards governance.

[madmax]

I'm just wondering how confident the people are in Harper's government.

I want to congratulate you for creating an unbiased, clear and straightforward poll. I am reserving judgement on parliment, until after their christmas and News years 7 week vacation.

[Topaz]

Here's is an unbiased but fact view. When Harper was elected to replace Day, I was happy because I had voted in the past for Mulroney. I thought Harper was going to be a very fair minded leader. I watched in the Commons when he was opposition and then when he got to the PMO. I don't like or think Harper is a good PM but he makes a good corrupt, bully, aggressive, smart-mouth leader. There a list some where on this forum of what the Conservative have done that isn't right and even breaks laws. Now I know there are people that will support their party no matter what but I'm not one because I want an honest and trustful PM and Harper has proven himself, he can't be that PM. Perhaps, somewhere in the Conservative party there is such a person but until Harper leaves, and someone else take over the Cons will never be the people's party. Now, if you think that Harper just out smarted the oppositions, he's done alot of things that no PM have or would do. Harper is souling to blame for the way things are in Ottawa and the country does need people like him in Ottawa or politics.

[Shakeyhands]

As soon as Mr Harper stops being so partisanly divisive, and starts to think about the country ahead of the CPC, then he'll regain my confidence.

[madmax]

Here's is an unbiased but fact view. When Harper was elected to replace Day, I was happy because I had voted in the past for Mulroney.

You voted for Mulroney? You like losers....

[Alta4ever]

I have no confidence in this opposition. They have not done their job either they have done nothing but play partisan poltics as well, they have offered no constructive critism, they have not been effective in thier jobs.

[charter.rights]

I have no confidence in this opposition. They have not done their job either they have done nothing but play partisan poltics as well, they have offered no constructive critism, they have not been effective in thier jobs.

Hmmm...I wonder where your logic comes from..... Stephen Harper perhaps?

How is forming a coalition from ideologically opposed parties playing partisan politics? And since Harper and the Conservatives need the support of at least one of the parties in order to continue with the confidence of parliament, would you consider Harper to be playing "partisan politics" if he enticed the Bloc by offering concessions, to vote with him on the upcoming budget?

[Alta4ever]

Hmmm...I wonder where your logic comes from..... Stephen Harper perhaps?

How is forming a coalition from ideologically opposed parties playing partisan politics? And since Harper and the Conservatives need the support of at least one of the parties in order to continue with the confidence of parliament, would you consider Harper to be playing "partisan politics" if he enticed the Bloc by offering concessions, to vote with him on the upcoming budget?

how are they ideoligically oposed, they are all left of centre parties.

[Oleg Bach]

Don't know what you are talking about in regards to citizens losing confindence in Parliement. Really - think of it - who in their right mind ever had confidence in Ottawa to begin with? All they are is just an upscale municipal bunch of wanna be important people - I mean have you ever listened to them? And we call this governance? It's time for the Canadian people to put confidence in themselves for a change - the government had it's chance to bring about needed change and progress - and so far NONE - I don't care if they never come back. Does anyone feel a power vacum at present? Not me - Parliment has always given the people that sinking empty vacumous feeling....they could be gone for years and if we were not told about it we would never know.

[myata]

Harper is divisive, manipulative, partisan to the extreme, and has said so many things he didn't do, that absolutely nothing from him can be trusted at this time. The ony way he can continue to govern would be under a zero tolerance notice from the opposition, the moment he stops working for the benefit of the country, and resumes his dirty politicking, he should be out.

[Alta4ever]

Harper is divisive, manipulative, partisan to the extreme, and has said so many things he didn't do, that absolutely nothing from him can be trusted at this time. The ony way he can continue to govern would be under a zero tolerance notice from the opposition, the moment he stops working for the benefit of the country, and resumes his dirty politicking, he should be out.

So was Chretien, and Trudeau. Not to mention what was done by Layton with the sepratisits. Country unity was starting to be mended under harper, but look what happened in just one signed document by the jokers on the left. They re-opened old wounds for what for power, the same game that Trudeau played.

[Oleg Bach]

No silly religion for Harper .. whether it be materialism or secular anti-christism ...or for that fact so called mainstream Christianity. Harper is very old school Christian - a doctrine that represents the truth (reality) and he will stick to reality and get things done..while the others can continue in the dellusion of man made ideology and theory...unproven to work - Did Layton not have a look at what 70 years of sovietism did to a people? The proof of the failings of socialism have been right before his eyes - yet he does not see - I don't want a coalition with a blind man leading..nor some guy that figures success is having his own private nation (Quebec)...all of the chumps including the Block should step down...and let the perfect roboton and bureacrat be the opposition - let Ignatieff stoll in take care of the paper work - at least he will be diligent as the new party leader - or should I say - helper of the opposition...we don't need opposing views we need a real coalition...of helpers - the advesarial system in our judicary does not work - and the ancient war like advesary system of Parliment does not work - Lets work together - and if that means firing all the overly abmbitious tweeks - let's do it.

[charter.rights]

how are they ideoligically oposed, they are all left of centre parties.

The Bloc is actually right of centre and the reason that there is a competition between the Conservatives and the Bloc during elections.

Now that you know this, how is a coalition playing partisan politics, again?

Edited December 8, 2008 by charter.rights

[Alta4ever]

The Bloc is actually right of centre and the reason that there is a competition between the Conservatives and the Bloc during elections.

The bloc right of centre that is laughable.

[charter.rights]

The bloc right of centre that is laughable.

I guess you don't understand politics then....The only thing laughable is your assertion that a coalition is partisan.

[Alta4ever]

I guess you don't understand politics then....The only thing laughable is your assertion that a coalition is partisan.

The bloc asks for more and more government spending. Their doctine is leftist, while some of the founders may have come out of Mulrooney's Cabinate, it was very debatable about which side of the spectrum they fell on. All the members of the coalition were on the left side of the spectrum. The CPC is now the only center right party party in the house.

[madmax]

Wow those are some heavy numbers for non confidence......?

[cybercoma]

What concerns me is the rabid support for a coalition that doesn't even have solid leadership. It is clear that the agenda is partisanship and pure irrational hatred for Stephen Harper.

[cybercoma]

Wow those are some heavy numbers for non confidence......?

That's what happens when one poster makes multiple accounts so they can vote several times.

[madmax]

That's what happens when one poster makes multiple accounts so they can vote several times.

Is that what happened? I know it is possible, but is it really worth the effort. I know that the coalition/anti-coalition poll lasted a long time, still going up a bit, but had 86 votes last I looked. And, while that is one of the highest yielding forum polls I have come across, I would think that people who do as you suggest, already have their fictional voting accounts setup.

I just don't have the time for such nonsense. I am too busy, very busy, erm, well, just trust me, I don't have a multiple account

Haven't voted in your poll yet either, although I like it.

PS. Where's Libby Davies?

PPS... There we go, a couple more confidence votes

Edited December 8, 2008 by madmax

[Oleg Bach]

In our now morally neutral survivalist world most have taken to deception - theft - and violence in order to maintain. Face it, this is now the norm. We have a generation slowly coming up who have been so brutalized by secularism and the mindless "for the common good" mentality - that they are ruthless...I have meet young people who are willing to watch a race genocided and stand by and do nothing - as long as they GET something..and they are "fine with it". Pariliment had better start behaving like they care..at least pretend they do..Can you imagine what it will be like if left unchecked in 10 years? I am certain that a tin pot dictatorship and our government will become undistinguishable. The parties promised a new era of civility and mutual co-operation this time around. How soon they forget...But what do you expect when you have a group of lawyers in charge? Corruption and self service! They had better smarten up or there will be no Canada left to feed on.

[speaker]

It is interesting though now we have 62-63% for the coalition, that probably isn't coincidence.

Even with the leadership of Mr. Dions liberals, people are still choosing the coalition over the leadership of Mr. Harper. That speaks volumes, doesn't it.

[Shady]

The Bloc is actually right of centre

So Gilles Duceppe held membership in the Workers' Communist Party of Canada, but the Bloc is actually right of centre? Nice try.