Parliament lost confidence, how about you?

[Mr.Canada]

My support for the Coalition is much like my support for Obama in the last election: They might not be better, but at least they're different. Do you bet on a sure thing that you don't like, or on something that has the possibility to be either better or worse than the option you don't like?

Well that's the great thing about Canada, we can disagree and I really think that's great.

The coalition has no plan whatever and the NDP policies would send business running for the door and the recession would be far worse. The coalition would go into massive deficit and raise corporate taxes. Not a good formula for getting people jobs, in fact there would be less jobs.

[jdobbin]

Harper will make some concessions to the opposition but will place some of those fiscal reforms back into the budget so he will get defeated and the GG will drop a writ.

If Harper does decided to do the same thing in the economic update, there is no guarantee that the Governor General will grant an election.

You are are about what the majority wants, right? The Governor General has the right to tell him to think again and resubmit a budget as stop acting like a donkey. Think the public would support that? You bet they would.

Stop playing games and get to work.

[Poli-Sci Student]

Well that's the great thing about Canada, we can disagree and I really think that's great.

Me too.

The coalition has no plan whatever and the NDP policies would send business running for the door and the recession would be far worse. The coalition would go into massive deficit and raise corporate taxes. Not a good formula for getting people jobs, in fact there would be less jobs.

I feel that the current economic policies espoused by the Conservatives here and the Republicans in the United States have led directly to the market issues we're having right now. The deregulation of the economy has led to people thinking they can get away with things they couldn't, in the long run.

As for the Coalition lacking a plan, well, now they have a couple months to plan. I'll wait and see what they come up with before I judge them.

(I do feel that they're going to fall apart in this time, but I'm hopeful somebody will come up with some other kind of option)

[Mr.Canada]

If Harper does decided to do the same thing in the economic update, there is no guarantee that the Governor General will grant an election.

You are are about what the majority wants, right? The Governor General has the right to tell him to think again and resubmit a budget as stop acting like a donkey. Think the public would support that? You bet they would.

Stop playing games and get to work.

Taking public money from all parties is playing games? The Tories have the most to lose. I don't see the problem. If this coalition ever took power the Liberals would be finished forever as would the NDP leaving the Tories to rule forever unabated until a new party formed. This is just my opinion of course.

Massive deficits and raised corporate tax with thousands more jobs lost on the hands of the LPC and NDP, yeah they'd be done forever.

[Poli-Sci Student]

Taking public money from all parties is playing games? The Tories have the most to lose.

You don't think the business community will rise to support them? The Conservatives maybe have the most to lose in absolute values, but as far as the strength of their backers, most NDP supporters like myself don't have lots of money to donate to the party.

[jdobbin]

Taking public money from all parties is playing games? The Tories have the most to lose. I don't see the problem. If this coalition ever took power the Liberals would be finished forever as would the NDP leaving the Tories to rule forever unabated until a new party formed. This is just my opinion of course.

As a percentage, it was hitting the Tories the least. It was partisan gameplaying. I would guess that you wouldn't see it as a problem.

Massive deficits and raised corporate tax with thousands more jobs lost on the hands of the LPC and NDP, yeah they'd be done forever.

Well, we'll get those deficits from the Tories anyway, won't we? They can't stop the freespending ways on polling, consultants or rail connections to Flaherty's riding.

[Mr.Canada]

You don't think the business community will rise to support them? The Conservatives maybe have the most to lose in absolute values, but as far as the strength of their backers, most NDP supporters like myself don't have lots of money to donate to the party.

Then other parties doesn't get as much money, simple. Parties should be able to raise their own money and not rely on welfare to stay afloat.

[madmax]

You don't think the business community will rise to support them? The Conservatives maybe have the most to lose in absolute values, but as far as the strength of their backers, most NDP supporters like myself don't have lots of money to donate to the party.

Well, I hate to follow a Mr. Canada Post.... but he is on topic. If you can't financially contribute to a political party, then get off your butt and help them. Just because you have no money, doesn't mean you can't help fundraise or provide a skill. Like Web pages.... etc.

Regardless, the poll indicates that even here, the parliment does not have the confidence of the house. However, I would expect that many of these votes are people who want to see the government fall, and our counting on an election.

I see this is a polarized vote and very few people in the middle. Perhaps there are more sitting on the fence, like me, before they take the plunge and vote.

And CyberComa, good choice topic, 403 votes and counting.. that is good by any standard.

Edited December 9, 2008 by madmax

[M.Dancer]

You don't think the business community will rise to support them? The Conservatives maybe have the most to lose in absolute values, but as far as the strength of their backers, most NDP supporters like myself don't have lots of money to donate to the party.

The "business community" that possibly maybe perhaps support the CPC (who ever that is..?) is constrained by the same laws as those that constrain the unions..etc etc..

level playing field.

NDPers are free to hold rummage sales....

[Poli-Sci Student]

NDPers are free to hold rummage sales....

I'm surprised you didn't suggest we start donating our marijuana-sales money.

[M.Dancer]

I'm surprised you didn't suggest we start donating our marijuana-sales money.

I thought that was a given...

[Poli-Sci Student]

I thought that was a given...

Sorry, I make my money working for a children's camp.

[M.Dancer]

Sorry, I make my money working for a children's camp.

I fail to see how that is relevant one way or another. If you want to send money to tghe NDP, no one is stopping you.

[Poli-Sci Student]

I fail to see how that is relevant one way or another. If you want to send money to tghe NDP, no one is stopping you.

It's relevant while stereotypes of NDP supporters persist. I am not a pot-smoking commie, and it annoys me to see us all painted with the same brush.

[Mr.Canada]

It's relevant while stereotypes of NDP supporters persist. I am not a pot-smoking commie, and it annoys me to see us all painted with the same brush.

Jack Layton as a leader has pushed the NDP to the far left of the spectrum. That isn't good.

[Poli-Sci Student]

Jack Layton as a leader has pushed the NDP to the far left of the spectrum. That isn't good.

Jack Layton exists at the far left end of the NDP. I don't currently support Jack Layton as NDP leader, but I do support my local NDP Candidate, so I still vote NDP. I think Jack on the far left is as bad for the party as you think he is for the country.

[cybercoma]

Jack Layton exists at the far left end of the NDP. I don't support Jack Layton as NDP leader, but I do support my local NDP Candidate, so I still vote NDP. I think Jack on the far left is as bad for the party as you think he is for the country.

That's the problem with Windsor. Brian Masse was a fantastic city councilor and an all around great voice for the city, it's unfortunate he would join a party that is tied to Socialist International though. Joe Comartin, I have my differences with him, but he has also fought for Windsor as an MP. But why they would join the NDP is beyond me. They have to know that as members of that party, there is absolutely nothing they can do for that city. It's ironic in a way. They try so hard, yet it's all for naught. It's unfortunate to say the least.

Edited December 10, 2008 by cybercoma

[Poli-Sci Student]

That's the problem with Windsor. Brian Masse was a fantastic city councilor and an all around great voice for the city, it's unfortunate he would join a party that is tied to Socialist International though. Joe Comartin, I have my differences with him, but he has also fought for Windsor as an MP. But why they would join the NDP is beyond me. They have to know that as members of that party, there is absolutely nothing they can do for that city. It's ironic in a way. They try so hard, yet it's all for naught. It's unfortunate to say the least.

Haha, I may be a moderate NDP supporter, but I'm still nominally an NDP supporter. I guess I'd disagree that you need to be in government to do things for your constituents.

[Jerry J. Fortin]

I live in the west and am not a supporter of the Conservatives, so my vote goes elsewhere on a regular basis. I vote for the person not the party, it has taught me a lesson, one worth learning for everyone.

My MP is not who I supported, but they are still my MP. Now if I did support them at election time should I expect any better treatment from them? The answer is of course no, so there was my lesson, once elected it is the responsibility of the elected member to represent all constituents. Vote for the person, because the party really doesn't matter.

[cybercoma]

Haha, I may be a moderate NDP supporter, but I'm still nominally an NDP supporter. I guess I'd disagree that you need to be in government to do things for your constituents.

With all due respect, I lived in Windsor up until 3 years ago and I fail to see what Masse or Comartin have done for Windsor. There has been nearly 20,000 jobs lost and they've done nothing to get federal support for border upgrades. Don't get me wrong, it's not for lack of trying, but as members of the NDP, their efforts are ineffectual.

[cybercoma]

I live in the west and am not a supporter of the Conservatives, so my vote goes elsewhere on a regular basis. I vote for the person not the party, it has taught me a lesson, one worth learning for everyone.

My MP is not who I supported, but they are still my MP. Now if I did support them at election time should I expect any better treatment from them? The answer is of course no, so there was my lesson, once elected it is the responsibility of the elected member to represent all constituents. Vote for the person, because the party really doesn't matter.

Polling shows that nearly 50% of people vote for party. Relatively view vote for the local candidate. In fact, I think it goes party, leadership then local candidate if I'm not mistaken.

[Jerry J. Fortin]

I agree! That is why is have learned a lesson, I now vote for the person. I have learned that I have nothing to say about government.

[Mardy]

Of course I voted Completely Unconfident. A good leader would not have recessed parliament just for some time to think. He would have faced the facts, discussed the facts, and made suggestions, rather than "taking a holiday". These people in parliament are our employees, are they not? How dare they "take off" for a couple of months and leave us hanging! It's time they all grew up and act like adults. Any given day, just watch the live TV coverage of the House of Commons. They're not only bickering back and forth, but shouting back and forth. What really irks me, is when the Mr. Speaker who sits up the front keeps saying "Order, Order" and the whole place is so into each other, that they completely ignore, or don't even hear him. What a farce! I'D LOVE TO HAVE HIS JOB! They're worse than kids in a classroom without a teacher! At least one of the kids would take command.

Edited December 10, 2008 by Mardy

[cybercoma]

How dare they "take off" for a couple of months and leave us hanging

Parliament was originally scheduled to recess for holidays on December 12 and return to work on January 26. So, contrary to popular belief, he didn't actually take "a couple months off", he shortened the session by a week and a half.

[madmax]

Brian Masse was a fantastic city councilor and an all around great voice for the city, it's unfortunate he would join a party that is tied to Socialist International though. Joe Comartin, I have my differences with him, but he has also fought for Windsor as an MP. But why they would join the NDP is beyond me. They have to know that as members of that party, there is absolutely nothing they can do for that city. It's ironic in a way. They try so hard, yet it's all for naught. It's unfortunate to say the least.

They are great MPs. I liked Brian Masse right to repair bill. Obviously they are very smart men. Perhaps there is something that is tainted and stinky, that keeps them away from the LPC or CPC.

One thing about NDP MPs is that they have to work 5 times more then a regular slug MP from the old line parties in order to keep their seats. Apparently both Comartin and Masse bucked the tide and increased their vote amongst people from Windsor.

Most MPs are useless, particularly government backbenchers or any LPC MP in opposition is usually a dud waiting to land a useless backbench chair on the government side.

I am certain that Neither Brian Masse or Comartin are too thrilled about being laid off by the Prime Minister.

But the Prime Minister is kind. Full perks, pay, benefits, travel and accomodation for all parties..