Coalition Destructing Already

[Wild Bill]

If they all leaped on mass from the castle walls they could crush Harper...just wonder if they are co-ordinated enough to toss all the potential corpses...maybe some rocks and boiling oil also.

"Silly Englishman! Your father was a hamster and your mother smelled of elderberries! I taunt you in your general direction!"

[-VMG-]

But with the eco crisis we have, why now, why couldnt our PM have stood up to them and said we need to work together in this crisis and get the country moving so, what do you need to do this?

Yes bad timing indeed.... but i still don't think we would hear the end from the hardcore conservatives that are to stubborn about how harper sold out and why are we working with commies and blah blah blah. I don't know what socialism is but they told me to hate it so i do.

[blueblood]

Yes bad timing indeed.... but i still don't think we would hear the end from the hardcore conservatives that are to stubborn about how harper sold out and why are we working with commies and blah blah blah. I don't know what socialism is but they told me to hate it so i do.

Your damn rights I hate a system the punishes me for succeeding.

[August1991]

I keep referring the coalition tactics as 'throwing the corpse of Dion at Harper to see what happens'.

I concur with others. Hardner, you have invented a well-placed metaphor. (And I say that as one who once thought Dion would make a viable federal leader.) Let's now all watch to see if your metaphor is imitated - the ultimate compliment.

All three leaders are surprised by the reaction from the public. (arent we all?) What did they think?

I can say honestly that I'm not. My only fear was that English Canada's MSM might influence some inattentive people. Quebec is a different story.

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The real question now is who else has been thrown on the pyre with Dion's corpse, or who chose to join him.

I'd say that any hope Rae had to become leader or PM is now going up in flames. Here in Montreal, on local radio, I heard Marc Lalonde vigourously (and intelligently) defend this coalition project. He's now just a partisan hack. I'll give credit to Warren Kinsella for being ahead of the curve. Manley seems to have a good political nose.

Edited December 5, 2008 by August1991

[wulf42]

Even prominent Liberals have finally admitted defeat........many didn t want this at all, they know how much it is going to hurt an already reeling Liberal party! What was Dion thinking......lol!

http://westernstandard.blogs.com/shotgun/2...ral-mp-jim.html

Edited December 8, 2008 by Charles Anthony
merged thread; old OP title: "Coalition is done like Dinner!"

[Oleg Bach]

When three men get together in a gang and expose the raw truth that they do not give a damn about the nation - and only care for personal achievement at the expense of that nation - they are pretty much cooked. No one wants them now - Sad part is that these three idiots even after being fully deposed will not grasp the concept ever - that if you want to be king you must love the people and they will follow - These guy just love power and the people now see this....they really blew it....To say "I am taking over and your vote means crap" destroyed all of their dreams and aspirations...You don't get into public service to dominate - you get into politics to serve...............Prime minister (First servant) _ I do not see the quality of good servants in any of these men! Government does not mean domination - it means to guide...they don't get it.

[Sir Bandelot]

"Coalition is done like Dinner!"

You mean, they are getting ready to serve the stinking ham?

[Oleg Bach]

They did ham it up - a little to much...that much blind and ruthless ambition shown all at once spoiled the feast...no one wants a glutton over for dinner...It's like watching someone eat and leave...without even a thankyou....I say don't invite them for dinner again - They were not very entertaining.

[-VMG-]

Hooray for the western standard.

[myata]

Of course, we could find nothing better to support our wishful musings than some obscure conservative blog. Somehow, it comes around a lot (and not only in this latest episode), that in the view of some conservatives, the lack of rational though can be easily made up for by the volume of thier voice.

[Oleg Bach]

Funny how they pick on the west for wanting to maintain freedom and dignity - as if it were a sin to be happy. Misery loves company....is it the fault of the west that central Canada fails to persue happiness and resents the emotion in others? Sympathos means to suffer together (sympathy) - The west has empathy but refuses to suffer and share the self inflicted pain of that is the wound of lieing liberalism.....It's the choice of the central Canada to stop hurting itself and hating those that don't...

[-VMG-]

Funny how they pick on the west for wanting to maintain freedom and dignity - as if it were a sin to be happy. Misery loves company....is it the fault of the west that central Canada fails to persue happiness and resents the emotion in others? Sympathos means to suffer together (sympathy) - The west has empathy but refuses to suffer and share the self inflicted pain of that is the wound of lieing liberalism.....It's the choice of the central Canada to stop hurting itself and hating those that don't...

Be careful when you use the term liberalism.... it's not the same as being A Liberal. In fact you should be the one supporting liberalism....

[wulf42]

Of course, we could find nothing better to support our wishful musings than some obscure conservative blog. Somehow, it comes around a lot (and not only in this latest episode), that in the view of some conservatives, the lack of rational though can be easily made up for by the volume of thier voice.

Too funny since the article was written by a Liberal..................Liberals are finished in Canada for good i am afraid! and Good Riddance

i enjoyed watching their destruction, they won t ever get a chance to screw this country again as in the past!

[wulf42]

When three men get together in a gang and expose the raw truth that they do not give a damn about the nation - and only care for personal achievement at the expense of that nation - they are pretty much cooked. No one wants them now - Sad part is that these three idiots even after being fully deposed will not grasp the concept ever - that if you want to be king you must love the people and they will follow - These guy just love power and the people now see this....they really blew it....To say "I am taking over and your vote means crap" destroyed all of their dreams and aspirations...You don't get into public service to dominate - you get into politics to serve...............Prime minister (First servant) _ I do not see the quality of good servants in any of these men! Government does not mean domination - it means to guide...they don't get it.

Agreed the three stooges committed political suicide! This article says it all!

http://thecanadiansentinel.blogspot.com/20...ted-by-own.html

Edited December 7, 2008 by wulf42

[eyeball]

When three men get together in a gang and expose the raw truth that they do not give a damn about the nation - and only care for personal achievement at the expense of that nation - they are pretty much cooked.

Don't forget the guy who used a financial crisis to steer the nation into a political crisis in the pursuit of his own personal ambition - he's still pretty much raw.

[Sir Bandelot]

Liberals are finished in Canada for good i am afraid! and Good Riddance

i enjoyed watching their destruction, they won t ever get a chance to screw this country again as in the past!

Right, someone else can do that now.

[wulf42]

Right, someone else can do that now.

Wrong! Mr Harper will put this country back on track and make Canada strong again Militarily, tougher Justice system (scrapping young offenders act, longer sentences for violent offenders) and increase our credibility within the world and improve our economy!......go Harper go!

[Sir Bandelot]

Mr Harper will put this country back on track and make Canada strong again Militarily, tougher Justice system (scrapping young offenders act, longer sentences for violent offenders) and increase our credibility within the world and improve our economy!

Thats baseless political propaganda. Why do we need "tougher" justice if there's no crime wave. I read the statistics show that violent crime is decreasing. The use of mandatory sentencing is actually a form INJUSTICE along the lines of punishment meted out by nobility. Harper is much like George Bush in how he leads by dogma, refuses to listen to experts in the field of law, or even science. He doesn't like to listen to advice, even from his own people. And he would like to destroy the political opposition so that there is no counterpoint to his views. Thats like authoritarian dictatorship, not democracy.

[blueblood]

Thats baseless political propaganda. Why do we need "tougher" justice if there's no crime wave. I read the statistics show that violent crime is decreasing. The use of mandatory sentencing is actually a form INJUSTICE along the lines of punishment meted out by nobility. Harper is much like George Bush in how he leads by dogma, refuses to listen to experts in the field of law, or even science. He doesn't like to listen to advice, even from his own people. And he would like to destroy the political opposition so that there is no counterpoint to his views. Thats like authoritarian dictatorship, not democracy.

warning toaster comment above...

[wulf42]

Thats baseless political propaganda. Why do we need "tougher" justice if there's no crime wave. I read the statistics show that violent crime is decreasing. The use of mandatory sentencing is actually a form INJUSTICE along the lines of punishment meted out by nobility. Harper is much like George Bush in how he leads by dogma, refuses to listen to experts in the field of law, or even science. He doesn't like to listen to advice, even from his own people. And he would like to destroy the political opposition so that there is no counterpoint to his views. Thats like authoritarian dictatorship, not democracy.

LOL..............are you serious????????????? here in Halifax a fight over drug trade has turned into a shooting war there has been 4 shooting's here in less than a week...alot for Halifax!!! and Toronto is seeing some of the worst violence in years...you don t read the news much do you!!! And if he can choke off the Liberals and NDP ...i say cool!

[-VMG-]

LOL..............are you serious????????????? here in Halifax a fight over drug trade has turned into a shooting war there has been 4 shooting's here in less than a week...alot for Halifax!!! and Toronto is seeing some of the worst violence in years...you don t read the news much do you!!! And if he can choke off the Liberals and NDP ...i say cool!

Would you agree that prohibition of alcohol created a lot of organized crime?

A stronger stance on drug trade is not going to alleviate any crime... It will create more crime... because with drugs comes money... with more strict laws, means less supply and less dealers... meaning more money... meaning more crime over the money that can be made over the drugs.

here's a better solution... legalization. Do you agree that what somebody does with their body is their prerogative?

Of course you would need regulation and licensing.... Along with educating young people on what drugs can do to your body and the facts of addiction.

Stronger laws against drug crime is not the answer... look at all the money being thrown at it in the US, and what has become of that? nothing. oh maybe more crowded jails for when they do actually bust people... spending more tax dollars on things that could be prevented.

[Sir Bandelot]

Exactly why the drug "war" shouldn't be a war at all. Look to the US for a history of its successes, the impact on people and how it became its own economic machine, complete with the incentives to criminalize. Thats prison capitalism in action!

My view, no government has any business telling me what I can or cannot inhale or stick into my veins, if I choose to. Even if someone wants to kill themself... but thats all part of the typical conservative population-controlling agenda. Your function, is to be grease for their wheels.

Edited December 7, 2008 by Sir Bandelot

[cybercoma]

Look to the US for a history of its successes, the impact on people and how it became its own economic machine, complete with the incentives to criminalize.

You don't even need to look that far. Four Years With The Demon Rum: The Diary of Clifford Rose is about prohibition in Nova Scotia during the 20s. The diary that he kept clearly outlines how rum-running was a job of last resort for people during a tough economic time. Furthermore, the temperance inspectors and municipalities also depended on rum-running to continue so that they too could make money. Ultimately, prohibition failed when governments realized how much they could be making from the regulated sale of alcohol, thanks to the example started by British Columbia. The book is pretty dry, but it's worth checking out if your library has it.

[wulf42]

Exactly why the drug "war" shouldn't be a war at all. Look to the US for a history of its successes, the impact on people and how it became its own economic machine, complete with the incentives to criminalize. Thats prison capitalism in action!

My view, no government has any business telling me what I can or cannot inhale or stick into my veins, if I choose to. Even if someone wants to kill themself... but thats all part of the typical conservative population-controlling agenda. Your function, is to be grease for their wheels.

I can't believe what i am reading............you support drug use and drug trade????....the Government has the responibility to protect us from this scum they should build prisons up north for them away from everything and everyone!!! typical Liberal, when two groups are fighting over the drug trade and only killing each other thats fine...but when their little war starts hurting innocent bystanders what then!! you are proof of why we can never allow Liberals to Govern again.....EVER!

[wulf42]

A stronger stance on drug trade is not going to alleviate any crime... It will create more crime... because with drugs comes money... with more strict laws, means less supply and less dealers... meaning more money... meaning more crime over the money that can be made over the drugs.

here's a better solution... legalization. Do you agree that what somebody does with their body is their prerogative?

Of course you would need regulation and licensing.... Along with educating young people on what drugs can do to your body and the facts of addiction.

Well they tried that in Amsterdam and it didn t work ............so there goes your theory!! Read the following article on Amsterdam's red light district which is exactly what you propose, they are shutting it all down!!

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/12/06/...in4651958.shtml

Edited December 7, 2008 by wulf42