What the Governor General Has to Do!

[whowhere]

The fact is the Conservatives were close to forming a majority. The Liberals lost seats, the bloc held steady, and the NDP likely picked up some of those seats the Liberals lost. For a coalation to form and then go on a reckless spending spree which adds to the National Debt fak that. If they want to print money like the United States and send me and every other canadian that money in the mail. Please Do I would love to get a $600 rebate check like the Americans got. By the sounds of it a coalition government has a special interest spending package which is going to benefit a minority and for that reason they can all fak off.

If that is the coalitions plan, the parliament has to be dissolved and a new election held. If the conservatives again form a minority only then can a coalition be entertained. That hasn't happened another election has to held.

This is a matter of principle.

[johhny]

So you were ok with the $50billion Harper had printed up to give to the banks? They said it was to encourage borrowing but the private sector is not borrowing or investing. So now up to the government to do it and create some jobs that speaks for the majority not the banks who are a minority.

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[capricorn]

So now up to the government to do it and create some jobs that speaks for the majority not the banks who are a minority.

The financial services sector is a significant contributor to Canada's economic growth, employing over 600,000 Canadians in 2003 and having a yearly payroll of over $35 billion. The sector represented 6 per cent of Canada's gross domestic product in 2003 and contributed close to $13 billion in taxes to all levels of government.

http://www.fin.gc.ca/toce/2005/fact-cfsse.html

Looks like the banks create quite a few jobs for Canadians with a healthy bi-product to the treasury.

[whowhere]

The financial services sector is a significant contributor to Canada's economic growth, employing over 600,000 Canadians in 2003 and having a yearly payroll of over $35 billion. The sector represented 6 per cent of Canada's gross domestic product in 2003 and contributed close to $13 billion in taxes to all levels of government.

http://www.fin.gc.ca/toce/2005/fact-cfsse.html

Looks like the banks create quite a few jobs for Canadians with a healthy bi-product to the treasury.

Harper gave the banks 25 Billion and they only contribute 13 Billion a year in taxes??? What a parasite and leach these banks are. They can all fak off to.

[M.Dancer]

So you were ok with the $50billion Harper had printed up to give to the banks?

Nope wrong.

They said it was to encourage borrowing but the private sector is not borrowing or investing.

Cite

So now up to the government to do it and create some jobs that speaks for the majority not the banks who are a minority.

Governments don't create jobs, the privatre sector does.

[johhny]

Nope wrong.

Cite

Governments don't create jobs, the privatre sector does.

wrong....government creates allot of jobs

[whowhere]

Nope wrong.

Cite

Governments don't create jobs, the privatre sector does.

You are right the government doesn't create jobs but they pay like they create jobs. The average government worker get 50 to 100 k plus a pension. The average private sector worker 20 to 50 k and no pension.

Read between the lines, this coalition about bureacrats keeping their salaries.

[Oleg Bach]

wrong....government creates allot of jobs

The private sector creates jobs that actually create wealth. Government creates positions not jobs..that do not generate real wealth or prosperity. Government employees have one purpose - to generate more and more burecratic positions in order to maintain a parasitic status quo...don't try to tell me that some tweat...sitting in the tax department is actually working...or some guy doing a study on the sex lives of aging male hookers creates wealth...To work for government is just a classy version of being on welfare with an expense account.

[M.Dancer]

You are right the government doesn't create jobs but they pay like they create jobs. The average government worker get 50 to 100 k plus a pension. The average private sector worker 20 to 50 k and no pension.

Read between the lines, this coalition about bureacrats keeping their salaries.

Averages don't have ranges....neverthe less, the "average" household income in Canada as of 2006 is $67,600

[Oleg Bach]

My dear old pops told me that in the old Soviet Union - the government became so top heavey with "jobs" that they became a hated upperclass and collapsed in time...it would be like a person sharing a household with a bunch of chumps that do not do the dishes. One person doing the maintainance and the others making a mess ...with a coalition - it would just like adding twenty more dirty dish makers to the house - eventually the servant will get up and leave or just stop working - and that's what will happen with bigger government - they will drive the good and industrious workers away or frustrate them into non-service.

[johhny]

You are right the government doesn't create jobs but they pay like they create jobs. The average government worker get 50 to 100 k plus a pension. The average private sector worker 20 to 50 k and no pension.

Read between the lines, this coalition about bureacrats keeping their salaries.

I make well over twice that in the private sector with a grade 11 education

[betsy]

Here are the facts of the last election:

1. The Conservative Party was given more seats than they had before.

2. The Conservatives has more seats compared to any of the other party.

3. Majority of Canadians had voted for the Conservatives!

4. The Liberals had the worst turn out....largely because of Dion. A lot of Liberals had opted not to vote.

Now with the coalition, not only does these three conniving political parties ignore their own consitituents' values....but we end up with Dion to boot?

This is a coup!

The governor general should call an election over this! All the more so becuase of the current economic crisis. The people has to have a say in this.

Or at least she should tell the conniving parties to wait until they hear the budget! I, as a voting Canadian would like to hear what the current government has to say about the budget. After spending millions in the past election, the government and the political parties owe it to the people to at least let them hear what the proposed budget is going to be.

[johhny]

Here are the facts of the last election:

3. Majority of Canadians had voted for the Conservatives!

Are you Delusional?

[g_bambino]

This is a coup!

[Drea]

no Johnny she's not delusional... Betsy's "conservative" math is correct in her mind -- conservatives tend to believe that they "require" considerably less education than their more liberal counterparts and thus 37% (or so) is considered "most" to them and they are ok with that. 50%, 30% what's the diff?

If it's good enough for Betsy, it ought to be good enough for everybody, you betcha, gosh darn it all anyway!

(A client of mine is having a 50% off sale... for conservatives the savings is only 30%, but they are ok with that. Half off is half off even when it's only a third!)

Never mind that 63% (or so) of Canadian voters DIDN'T vote for Harper...

Edited December 1, 2008 by Drea

[Topaz]

I would like to see what these 3 parties can do to for Canada. The Libs do have a track record of good financial planning and I'm sure Paul Martin is in there helping so why not, a free new government, without the 300 Mil. $ cost! If they do fail then the Conservatives are back on top.

[madmax]

Governments don't create jobs, the privatre sector does.

Argus is part of Government Job Creation.

[TomS]

no Johnny she's not delusional... Betsy's "conservative" math is correct in her mind -- conservatives tend to believe that they "require" considerably less education than their more liberal counterparts and thus 37% (or so) is considered "most" to them and they are ok with that. 50%, 30% what's the diff?

If it's good enough for Betsy, it ought to be good enough for everybody, you betcha, gosh darn it all anyway!

(A client of mine is having a 50% off sale... for conservatives the savings is only 30%, but they are ok with that. Half off is half off even when it's only a third!)

Never mind that 63% (or so) of Canadian voters DIDN'T vote for Harper...

It is true that the Conservatives did not recieve 50% of the votes. But 37% is less than 2% short of one of the Liberals "majority" governments, and with 3 so called "majorities" in a row the Liberals never came close to 50%, as I recall they never got over 42%. Were you Liberal mathmaticians complaining then. You lost the election get over it.

[Argus]

So you were ok with the $50billion Harper had printed up to give to the banks? They said it was to encourage borrowing but the private sector is not borrowing or investing. So now up to the government to do it and create some jobs that speaks for the majority not the banks who are a minority.

And the spokesman for that "government" has already said they are in favour of that $50b and have no intention of changing it.

Ever read a newspaper, sonny?

[Argus]

I make well over twice that in the private sector with a grade 11 education

Yeah, everyone on the internet, no matter how inane they seem, can claim to be making a fortune, have a model for a wife, and four beautiful children, not to mention the yacht and private jet.

[Drea]

It is true that the Conservatives did not recieve 50% of the votes. But 37% is less than 2% short of one of the Liberals "majority" governments, and with 3 so called "majorities" in a row the Liberals never came close to 50%, as I recall they never got over 42%. Were you Liberal mathmaticians complaining then. You lost the election get over it.

You assume I am a capital "L" Liberal. I am just liberal minded, doesn't mean I support the Liberal Party of Canada. Betsy was correct however when she said many Liberals didn't vote because of Dion. Imagine what will happen when liberals DO get a decent leader and go back to voting... LOL

If (when?) a coalition is formed Dion will not be the leader of it. The Liberal Party knows (they must know! they'd better know!) that they lost the election because of him.

[TomS]

no Johnny she's not delusional... Betsy's "conservative" math is correct in her mind -- conservatives tend to believe that they "require" considerably less education than their more liberal counterparts and thus 37% (or so) is considered "most" to them and they are ok with that. 50%, 30% what's the diff?

If it's good enough for Betsy, it ought to be good enough for everybody, you betcha, gosh darn it all anyway!

(A client of mine is having a 50% off sale... for conservatives the savings is only 30%, but they are ok with that. Half off is half off even when it's only a third!)

Never mind that 63% (or so) of Canadian voters DIDN'T vote for Harper...

Was it acceptable for the Liberals to govern as though they had a "majority" for 11 or 12 years when on average 60% of Canadians voted against them.

[TomS]

You assume I am a capital "L" Liberal. I am just liberal minded, doesn't mean I support the Liberal Party of Canada. Betsy was correct however when she said many Liberals didn't vote because of Dion. Imagine what will happen when liberals DO get a decent leader and go back to voting... LOL

If (when?) a coalition is formed Dion will not be the leader of it. The Liberal Party knows (they must know! they'd better know!) that they lost the election because of him.

I just seen Ignatieff, Ray and Leblanc, together declaring their support for Dion as the Prime Minister of the new seperatist/socialist coalition

[madmax]

Here are the facts of the last election:

1. The Conservative Party was given more seats than they had before.

144 yup

2. The Conservatives has more seats compared to any of the other party.

144 yup.

3. Majority of Canadians had voted for the Conservatives!

Nope. The Majority voted for ABC, but the CPC did get lots of valuable votes.

4. The Liberals had the worst turn out....largely because of Dion. A lot of Liberals had opted not to vote.

yup

Now with the coalition, not only does these three conniving political parties ignore their own consitituents' values

Nope

....but we end up with Dion to boot?

:angry:

This is a coup!

No, nor is it a coup attempt as nothing has yet happened. This is democracy in action.

The governor general should call an election over this!

Why has Harper dissolved parliment? Currently he is the Prime Minister and currently holds the confidence of the house. For how much longer is uncertain. But definitely, the GG would have to have good reason to choose an election over the will of the majority in parliment.

All the more so becuase of the current economic crisis.

Historical precendent would support the coalition. I would drop that argument, If I were you.

The people has to have a say in this.

They did, just a few weeks back, and the parliment is working to make certain there is confidence in the house and no unnecessary election.

Or at least she should tell the conniving parties to wait until they hear the budget! I, as a voting Canadian would like to hear what the current government has to say about the budget. After spending millions in the past election, the government and the political parties owe it to the people to at least let them hear what the proposed budget is going to be.

too little to late. Apparenty the Government has chosen to abandon virtually everything they presented, and have no confidence in parliment. The Harper government could promise golden monkeys to everyone, and it still looks like no one would believe them.

Harpers biggest contribution to Canadian History could be the installation of Lame Duck Dion, the worst performing Liberal Leader in the History of the party, to the position of Prime Minister.

That is how pathetically Harper has messed this up. He is managed to give up parliment to a party in the condition you described. Legally and with the blessing of the people.

Oh Joy or Bliss.

[capricorn]

All hail Prime Minister Dion, risen from the ashes to lead us away from the abyss.

Liberal Leader Stéphane Dion will be prime minister of an unprecedented coalition government if Parliament defeats the Conservatives next week.

Liberal MPs announced the decision after a caucus meeting to review plans for the coalition, which reportedly include a pledge to pump billions of dollars into the economy.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...l_gam_mostemail

I hope some of that cash will be pumped my way. Do you suppose they know I voted Conservative?