Rape victim, 13, stoned to death in Somalia

[Rue]

Keng stated the following:

"From the very day that I started posting here, M.Dancer has been making personal attacks. He's got close to 10,000 posts, and my guess is that between 95-98% of them contain some sort of insult or personal attack… He's one of a handful of members who can go around with seeming impunity hounding, baiting, attacking other members. Why a certain group of members get special consideration is beyond me."

For the record at the time I file this response Kengs made 13 responses of which 8 of them I have restated below were comments designed to attack other members on a personal level and did not contribute in any manner to the original post .

This amounts to 61.15% of his posts in this thread to date containing exactly the kind of thing he has accused M. Dancer of and again demonstrates two things; i-Keng criticizes others for exactly the thing he engages in; Keng often makes comments that have nothing to do with the original post and turn the dialogue into personally insulting attacks.

More to the point on this thread, his making a reference that rape victims in Canada develop eating disorders, etc., is odious. The fact that people suffer trauma and may develop psychological or other problems from it has nothing to do with the original issue which was how fundamentalism causes the kind of behaviour pointed out in the story.

The fact that Kengs feels Canada has social or other problems is not germaine to the topic which was how fundamentalism contributes to the behaviour reported.

Keng's belief that Canadian society is flawed was raised to argue that the problem in the story is not fundamentalism but the fact no one follows Keng;s version of fundamentalism and thus the personal attacks to other members when they did not prescribe to Keng's beliefs.

This is not about what Keng believes and thinks others should believe. This is not about Keng and his once again taking a post and redirecting it towards himself and his opinions. It is about what happens when we become blind to rules and doctrine something I would argue Keng continues to evidence in his comments:

1-Either you're a complete idiot…

2-Typical American. You can dish it out, but can't take it.

3-You would be living in a mudhut in abject misery if it wasn't for Christianity.

4-I had the misfortune of reading M.Dancer's post… his type type are partial to creating a culture that imbues people with a inherent sense of self-hate and self-destruction.

5-Do you have reading comprehension and critical thinking problems?

6-That's asking the impossible from M.Dancer. May as well ask him to climb Everest in nothing more than a pair of Speedos.

7-From the very day that I started posting here, M.Dancer has been making personal attacks. He's got close to 10,000 posts, and my guess is that between 95-98% of them contain some sort of insult or personal attack…

8-He's one of a handful of members who can go around with seeming impunity hounding, baiting, attacking other members. Why a certain group of members get special consideration is beyond me.

[Oleg Bach]

Don't pay attention to personal attacks - it show weakness and a lack of skill. There is a way to dismantle on a personal level and it must be done with finese` - besides - make a good point and ignore the contentious one.. Relax - He is controlling you through your emotions and thus making you ineffective - stop being fuel for the provocateur.

[M.Dancer]

7-From the very day that I started posting here, M.Dancer has been making personal attacks. He's got close to 10,000 posts, and my guess is that between 95-98% of them contain some sort of insult or personal attack…

His figures are skewed....I attack the insanity and illogic of certain types posts. This may be why Keng feels that way although his count may be higher than 98%....

Funny though, There are some here I often don't agree with but their arguments are honest and logical....they don't receive my barbed wit.

[Candice]

The barbarism of people in this world is unbelievable sometimes - what sort of coward stones to death a young woman?!

Guardian article

This has only started happening because of the Islamists increased influence within Somalia.

Sub-saharan Muslim countries have always been historically very moderate.

Using this rare case of stoning to condem the majority does not work

[Oleg Bach]

A wanking lunitic that would toss rocks against the scull of another human being untill that scull is mush is NOT a religious person...nor are they Muslim...they are just plain raging and underdeveloped mentally. What I wonder about are the more sophisticated Islamics that know these actions are evil - but - stand by and watch and allow them to happen. It kind of reminds me of the deviant behaviour shown by the so-called Christian St.Paul...who stood by casually holding the cloaks of a group of barbarians that stoned ST. Steven to death. I aways wondered why Paul allowed this - It was most certainly out of envy and for political gain - I suspect that Islamics who are smart may allow stonings in order to perpetuate their position of power amongst the dummies.

[Ontario Loyalist]

The comparison is idiotic on so many levels.

Figures you don't care...

[White Doors]

This has only started happening because of the Islamists increased influence within Somalia.

Sub-saharan Muslim countries have always been historically very moderate.

Using this rare case of stoning to condem the majority does not work

Sub Sahara Muslim countries? Like which one's to be precise?

[Oleg Bach]

Don't nit pick. The point is that Somalia has become open and free ground for those seeking power and wealth - what better way to take over than though a religion based in submission and fear...with a promise of heaven...worked for us Christians - "your reward will come after death, so work your ass off for us now - while we live in a heaven and you in a hell" - to para phrase myself. We built an empire on the concept of spiritual bureacratic slavery...it should work out just fine for Somalia - the pirates are busy gathering up the treasure to launch their new order with...generations of a corrupt upper class that spews gods word but has no belief in God's authorship.

[myata]

A wanking lunitic that would toss rocks against the scull of another human being untill that scull is mush is NOT a religious person...nor are they Muslim...they are just plain raging and underdeveloped mentally.

Right. Tossing a cluster bomb on the other hand, is so very different... i.e unquestionnably civilized...... and humane.

[Candice]

Sub Sahara Muslim countries? Like which one's to be precise?

Dijoubti, Eitrea, Somaliland, Somalia

I have lived in the 3 out of 5 of those countries listed and i know East African Muslim countries are very moderate.

This has just been occuring in Somalia because of the fact the moderate Islamists was overthrown from power by a Ethiopian/US backed Government which has led to a more radical extremism to take place.

There is growing discontent with the Islamists and their interpretation of Islam but Somali's cannot fight against those with the weapons inside Somalia.

Edited November 26, 2008 by Candice

[White Doors]

Dijoubti, Eitrea, Somaliland, Somalia

I have lived in the 3 out of 5 of those countries listed and i know East African Muslim countries are very moderate.

This has just been occuring in Somalia because of the fact the moderate Islamists was overthrown from power by a Ethiopian/US backed Government which has led to a more radical extremism to take place.

There is growing discontent with the Islamists and their interpretation of Islam but Somali's cannot fight against those with the weapons inside Somalia.

Sub Saharan Africa traditionally consists of the countries directly south of the Saharan desert.

Ethiopia etc are traditionally known as the horn of Africa and is Arab as well.

Another name for Sub-Saharan Africa is 'black' Africa.

Obviously the countries that you lived in were not part of black Africa.

I am shocked that you do not know this as you claim to have lived there.

I also love your explanation! Muslim extremists stone a 13 year old to death and it's the USA's fault.

What are the radical left going to do when Bush is gone?

It will be kind of like taking away their blankie.

[Oleg Bach]

The radical left have spirit and good intention. I personally think that they will adjust and contribute..at least they have some fire in their blood.......the radical right can be so cold that it renderes the brain to ice.

[Candice]

No part of Horn of Africa are Arab. We are African aka. we are Black. Wtf else would we be,, Somalis/Eitreans etc.

Somaliland is part of Africa, Somalia is part of Africa, Dijoubti is part of Africa.

Would you like me to draw you up a map?

Horn of Africa

sub saharan countries

Notice Somalia and Dijbouti and Eitrea? Its highlighted for those not able to spot it.

As i said. Do not speak about my own region without knowledge.

No part of those countries are in the middle east so how can it be 'Arab'?

How am i blaming anyone?

I am explaining what is happening with my region.

It is fact US and Ethiopia is 06 removed the Islamists from power leading to a revolt against the now Government in power. The Islamists once consisted of mainly moderates as Somalia has a history of being a very moderate country however when it was overthrown from power it started turning more radical. Fact. Anyone with any knowledge of my region would know this.

Within the next year, the Government US and Ethiopia protect will be overthrown and Yusef will most likely be killed and the Islamists will be re instated in power.

Your ignorance of my country is astounding and quite unsurprising but kindly refrain from commenting on Somalia without knowing its History if all you will spout out are unfounded statements.

Oh and sweetheart, i don't just claim to live there. I am Somalian

Edited November 27, 2008 by Candice

[M.Dancer]

No part of Horn of Africa are Arab. We are African aka. we are Black. Wtf else would we be,, Somalis/Eitreans etc.

Egytians, Libyans Morrocans are also Africans.....and Arabs.

What's the official language of Dijoubti?

Arabic

[M.Dancer]

Oh and sweetheart, i don't just claim to live there. I am Somalian

Arggg...shiver me timbers thar matey ahoy and avast!

[Candice]

Egytians, Libyans Morrocans are also Africans.....and Arabs.

What's the official language of Dijoubti?

Arabic

Lol, Im not too sure. When i visited Dijoubti people spoke Somali/Arabic and French [Lets not forget Dijoubti used to be a French colony]

Arabic and French i'd say.

[M.Dancer]

Lol, Im not too sure. When i visited Dijoubti people spoke Somali/Arabic and French [Lets not forget Dijoubti used to be a French colony]

Arabic and French i'd say.

Arabic is the official langauge.

[Candice]

Arabic is the official langauge.

Interesting, i would have pegged it more on French due to its history.

[Candice]

Arggg...shiver me timbers thar matey ahoy and avast!

Hehe, don't worry. Im not in the pirating business

[White Doors]

Egytians, Libyans Morrocans are also Africans.....and Arabs.

What's the official language of Dijoubti?

Arabic

Apparently he/she has no concept of 'Arab or Arabic' means.

Here's a good place to start:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_World

As you can see, Somalia is considered Arab. Funny, you would think he/she would know that since they consider themselves a Somalian....

[Candice]

Somalians speak Somali not Arabic. That is a secondary language rarely used outside of reading the Qu'ran.

[Rue]

Somalians speak Somali not Arabic. That is a secondary language rarely used outside of reading the Qu'ran.

You are ruining everything by being well informed, logical, and accurate. Can you not just be a misguided, know it all opinionated lout like the rest of us!!! Lol. Stick around. We may need you as the new leader of the coalition.

[moderateamericain]

Unlike secular North America where she developes an eating disorder, becomes a crack addicted prostitute, and then commits suicide...

So because are society is flawed its okay to stone 13 year old rape victims? Just following your non-logic to its illogical conclusion.

[LesterDC]

Unlike secular North America where she developes an eating disorder, becomes a crack addicted prostitute, and then commits suicide...

Ay, but there's the rub.. The North American teenage girl has the freedom to decide between developing an eating disorder and self esteem issues. As influenced as it is, the choice is ultimately her decision.

On the other hand, this little girl could not do anything at all to prevent this from happening. She her decisions are oppressed by a higher power. She did nothing to provoke this nor did she consent to this.

So you tell me, is there a big difference?

Oh, would you rather have some fanatical and pious leaders interpreting some book for their own causes? Making them law and oppressing others based on their personal interpretations? Let me tell you this - I am quite proud of our secular government. It shows how a spiritual relationship should only concern a man and his God - no other. In a secular world, Muslims and Christians are able to get along with each other..

[AngusThermopyle]

Oh, would you rather have some fanatical and pious leaders interpreting some book for their own causes? Making them law and oppressing others based on their personal interpretations?

Wow! Did you ever hit the nail on the head with that one!

The answer is yes, thats exactly what he would like to see. Just read his previous posts in just about any thread he posts to, you'll see what I mean.