Native neolithic culture vs western culture

[charter.rights]

Pathways aren't roads...they're.....pathways.

No, they are trails`that turned into roads.

[kengs333]

Wondering where you went. I thought maybe there had been another roundup recently that I missed in the media.

[kengs333]

80 to 90 % of natives live off reserve -mostly in cities. The majority of native people who live on reserve also hold full time jobs, or a number of part-time jobs to make up for. Your derogatory remark that natives do not work, is both wrong and offensive.

You know that unemployment among urban aboriginals is high, and crime and gang banging technically isn't employment. That's the truth of the matter.

[charter.rights]

You know that unemployment among urban aboriginals is high, and crime and gang banging technically isn't employment. That's the truth of the matter.

You wouldn't know the truth if it was a dog biting you in the ass.

You do have a mind for fantasy, though....

[EDIT] Speaking of unemployment since the election is over who are you getting to pay your way these days? I sure the well is beginning to dry up. [/EDIT]

Edited October 31, 2008 by charter.rights

[kengs333]

You wouldn't know the truth if it was a dog biting you in the ass.

You do have a mind for fantasy, though....

[EDIT] Speaking of unemployment since the election is over who are you getting to pay your way these days? I sure the well is beginning to dry up. [/EDIT]

Nope, things are quite fine and don't forsee anything but improvement.

[charter.rights]

Nope, things are quite fine and don't forsee anything but improvement.

So you are still taking hand-outs. Why not get a real job and keep yourself out of mischief.

[kengs333]

So you are still taking hand-outs. Why not get a real job and keep yourself out of mischief.

Okay, coming from a male nurse...

Regardless of my employment status and level of income, I will never be a drunkard, gang banger, druggie, AIDs-spreading, bastard-siring lowlife. You can call me a bigot all you want, but it's a small price for living a clean and decent life.

Edited November 1, 2008 by kengs333

[charter.rights]

Okay, coming from a male nurse...

Regardless of my employment status and level of income, I will never be a drunkard, gang banger, druggie, AIDs-spreading, bastard-siring lowlife. You can call me a bigot all you want, but it's a small price for living a clean and decent life.

I don't know where you think I might be a male nurse. You might have me confused with someone else.

Now considering that coming from someone who doesn't have children and can't sire anything I doubt I would be calling anyone bastard-siring - that would be kind of a big dumb insult. But you know, someone who does not pay their own way and lives off of the charity of others in this life IS a low-life - no ifs buts or doubts. And I would think in this society a pious bible thumper who suppresses his wife's "urges" is worse that a druggie or a drunkard. And of course narcissistic pathological liars are not well trusted in this society either.

So really maybe you should answer the question put to you:

Why don't you get a real job and start contributing to society in an honourable, meaningful and respectable way, instead of mooching off of society and others, like you have been for the last 3 years?

Edited November 1, 2008 by charter.rights

[noahbody]

And maybe -just maybe - if you studied a bit more about Canadian history you would find what I have - that the majority of "roads" in Canada follow well established pathways and routes that were establish and carved out of the wilderness by native people long before first contact.

The majority of roads, eh? Do you have any idea what a ridiculous statement that is? Somehow I doubt a native wanting to travel to the NE, would first travel straight north in order to walk around an imaginary section of land. By "majority of roads" that's what you're claiming.

[eyeball]

The majority of roads, eh? Do you have any idea what a ridiculous statement that is? Somehow I doubt a native wanting to travel to the NE, would first travel straight north in order to walk around an imaginary section of land. By "majority of roads" that's what you're claiming.

You're referring to streets. Roads aka paths, connect groups of these together.

[noahbody]

You're referring to streets. Roads aka paths, connect groups of these together.

Range Roads run east and west along the range grid lines of a survey system. Range Roads (Rge. Rd.) are perpendicular to township roads (abbreviated TWP. RD.) which run north and south along the township grid lines of a survey system.

Alberta

Range roads are commonly numbered in one-mile (1.6-km) increments west from the east range line of a given township. The range roads form the east and west boundaries (known as Section Lines) of the 1 mile x 1 mile square sections - 36 of which comprise a township

Saskatchewan

In Saskatchewan there are both township and range roads. The numbers of the range roads help to establish the location of the roads as they exist with relation to the legal land description survey system. Range roads travel in a north and south direction between the meridians parallel to the latitudinal lines.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Range_road

Nope, I'm referring to roads that are set out systematically.

[stignasty]

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Rediscovering Blackfoot Science

How First Nations Helped Develop a Keystone of Modern Psychology

Researchers at Red Crow Community College in Alberta like to talk about influential American psychologist Abraham Maslow. When he visited the Blackfoot nation in the 1930s, he assumed that there was a big difference between European knowledge, which he saw as rigorously scientific, and Aboriginal knowledge, which he saw as folklore.

Maslow would entertain his hosts by developing psychological analyses of their white neighbours, only to discover that the elders had come to the exact same conclusions. Stories like that help disprove the idea that the only scientific method is the Western one.

“Blackfoot people have their own systems for developing new knowledge in traditional ways,” says Ryan Heavy Head, one of the researchers at Red Crow. “It’s less focused on categories and more interested in how things come together.”

[eyeball]

For example, when the Blackfoot observe something that may prove enlightening, they present it to four elders, who function as a peer review committee, sharing their own experiences. If the new observation holds up, it may become part of a ritual, so that other people can have the same experience by, in effect, duplicating the experiment.

Its easy to see how indigenous people that used knowledge the way the Blackfoot did would conclude that God and the Great Spirit were one and the same thing. Present an idea like that to the wrong people from Europe at the time of first contact and you'd likely be burned at the stake.

The way that knowledge is processed and used probably says a lot more about the people processing it than the knowledge itself. I think some indigenous people were probably better prepared pyschologically for first contact with Europeans but were helpless in the face of the guns, steel and germs that western cultures were 'blessed' with.

It would certainly be interesting to see what would happen in the event of contact with an intelligent species from another star. It might be a good idea to ensure at least a few Blackfoot Elders are around to help humanity deal with the shock. We should probably also send a few in the event we initiate first contact with another species for the same reason. We wouldn't want to be thought of as being monsters from another world would we, or would that matter?

[Donaill]

It is easy to judge the past with current ethics and moraility. To say that the first nations were not as advanced as Europeans is some what incorrect. There is alot of evidence showing that there were vast trade networks and many large settlementsthrough out north america. By todays standards I would not call Europeans of that day any more advanced than the Natives. They went back on their word several times with a variety of tribes. Europeans were still having tribal warfare, engaging in slavery, and genocide.

The ability to maker a better spear does not make someone superior to another. It just means that they make a better spear. The English used to argue that the Irish and Scots were inferior to the English. Yet the ancestors of the Irish and Scots were trading with China long before the English were even heard of. The Irish did not suffer the same hysteria during the middle ages. No mass book burnings and the witch hunt was unheard of.

When the Europeans came to North America they had to re-learn many of the skills that their ancestors had known. They re-learned them from the first nations. Debt repayed by the extermination of the Beothuk, linguistic and cultural genocide.

[stignasty]

Excellent post Donaill.

[BC_chick]

Excellent post Donaill.

I second that.

[DogOnPorch]

It is easy to judge the past with current ethics and moraility. To say that the first nations were not as advanced as Europeans is some what incorrect. There is alot of evidence showing that there were vast trade networks and many large settlementsthrough out north america. By todays standards I would not call Europeans of that day any more advanced than the Natives. They went back on their word several times with a variety of tribes. Europeans were still having tribal warfare, engaging in slavery, and genocide.

The ability to maker a better spear does not make someone superior to another. It just means that they make a better spear. The English used to argue that the Irish and Scots were inferior to the English. Yet the ancestors of the Irish and Scots were trading with China long before the English were even heard of. The Irish did not suffer the same hysteria during the middle ages. No mass book burnings and the witch hunt was unheard of.

When the Europeans came to North America they had to re-learn many of the skills that their ancestors had known. They re-learned them from the first nations. Debt repayed by the extermination of the Beothuk, linguistic and cultural genocide.

Mozart. Kant. Newton. Kepler. Shakespeare. Gutenberg.............

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[White Doors]

It is easy to judge the past with current ethics and moraility. To say that the first nations were not as advanced as Europeans is some what incorrect. There is alot of evidence showing that there were vast trade networks and many large settlementsthrough out north america. By todays standards I would not call Europeans of that day any more advanced than the Natives. They went back on their word several times with a variety of tribes. Europeans were still having tribal warfare, engaging in slavery, and genocide.

The ability to maker a better spear does not make someone superior to another. It just means that they make a better spear. The English used to argue that the Irish and Scots were inferior to the English. Yet the ancestors of the Irish and Scots were trading with China long before the English were even heard of. The Irish did not suffer the same hysteria during the middle ages. No mass book burnings and the witch hunt was unheard of.

When the Europeans came to North America they had to re-learn many of the skills that their ancestors had known. They re-learned them from the first nations. Debt repayed by the extermination of the Beothuk, linguistic and cultural genocide.

Valid points. But the Europeans had the making of modern agriculture, the NA natives did not.

The Europeans domesticated animals, the NA natives... did not.

The Europeans made use of the wheel, water pump, large ocean fairing vessels, the NA natives.. did not.

The Europeans had extensive written languages expressing poetry, stories, fiction, struggles with understanding the nature of existence, the NA natives.. did not.

The Europeans had fine art work, large cities with national borders and schooling, universtities, hospitals, libraries, municipal, regional and national governent infrastructure, the NA natives... did not.

There are alot of reasons for these large differences in progress and racism is not one of them. First you have to understand and admit to the differences before we can talk about why there were these large differences.

Edited November 19, 2008 by White Doors

[Oleg Bach]

Mozart. Kant. Newton. Kepler. Shakespeare. Gutenberg.............

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Acme Pollution Inspection...We're cleaning up the world and thought this was a suitable starting point!

---James Bond: Diamonds Are Forever

Mozart - Gutenburg? There are none of these types being generated today - these guys of old had patrons (protectors) - our best are no longer being protected by destroyed buy conspiring groups of mediocure corporate losers who dispise the nobility of the neolithic tribes..they also dispise the creative power of modern neolithics. When traditional time tried and honoured groups are attacked and destroyed the twits responsible do not just make victim of the "native" - they like sexists dispise BOTH sexes. Shakespeare if alive today would be sleeping under a bridge and the socialist bureacrats would make sure he stayed there and died there - The days of real patronage of the arts are gone - Wise and crafty cultures are on a hit list and it does not matter if that culture is white or not.

[Donaill]

Valid points. But the Europeans had the making of modern agriculture, the NA natives did not.

The Europeans domesticated animals, the NA natives... did not.

The Europeans made use of the wheel, water pump, large ocean fairing vessels, the NA natives.. did not.

The Europeans had extensive written languages expressing poetry, stories, fiction, struggles with understanding the nature of existence, the NA natives.. did not.

The Europeans had fine art work, large cities with national borders and schooling, universtities, hospitals, libraries, municipal, regional and national governent infrastructure, the NA natives... did not.

There are alot of reasons for these large differences in progress and racism is not one of them. First you have to understand and admit to the differences before we can talk about why there were these large differences.

Education is not a defining point since most European cultures had an education for the nobility type of attitude. Much of what Europeans learned was from their interactions with other cultures, such as Arabs and Asians. Natives, like the Celtic peoples, often viewed boarders as a shifting entity. Real ownership of land was some what foreign. Among the Celts land was often communal amongst the clan. The Chieftan was the guardian of that land. After interaction with foreigners the idea of ownership came into play. This is much as it was with the first nations.

[M.Dancer]

Natives, like the Celtic peoples, often viewed boarders as a shifting entity. Real ownership of land was some what foreign. Among the Celts land was often communal amongst the clan. The Chieftan was the guardian of that land. After interaction with foreigners the idea of ownership came into play. This is much as it was with the first nations.

That reality of gaelic land ownership was long past by the time Robert the Bruce, who was in fact of the lineage of Norman foreigners.

By the time the Scots were settling in Cape Breton they had adopted/adapted much of the English Culture including Broad Scots langauge.

[Donaill]

Long past in Scotland but not so much in Ireland. That ideal was beaten out of them.

Again we are arguing the superiority of one culture over another based upon the ideals of one culture. That was the same mind set that shocked us when we found out the treatment of POWs by the Japanese. Sometimes the bases of judgments aren't as drastic. The Irish were once viewed by the English as being inferior because the Irish had weekly baths, compared to maybe monthly. Many of the customs that came to be thought of as English were really Norman ideals. Such happens when you have intermingling of cultures. This is a natural occurance and usually occurs without force. The Normans settled in England but did not force French culture or language on the population. The language of the court was French, the language of the street was an older form of English, complete with Masculine and feminine words. The Vikings treated Dublin the same way. What happened outside of Dublin was the business of the Gaels. What happened in Dublin was theirs. At least until Brian Boru came along.

History is always an easy topic to look at with hind sight. If we had been a Mohawk when the first Europeans showed up then I have no doubt that we would have been curious about many things, but mopst likely would not have viewed them as far superior. Afterall these people could barely hunt and knew nothing about the ways of the land or animals that lived on it.

[M.Dancer]

The Irish Kings also used to copulate with horses on special holidays....

History is always an easy topic to look at with hind sight.

You are right. Extremely hard to look at it with foresight.

[White Doors]

Education is not a defining point since most European cultures had an education for the nobility type of attitude. Much of what Europeans learned was from their interactions with other cultures, such as Arabs and Asians. Natives, like the Celtic peoples, often viewed boarders as a shifting entity. Real ownership of land was some what foreign. Among the Celts land was often communal amongst the clan. The Chieftan was the guardian of that land. After interaction with foreigners the idea of ownership came into play. This is much as it was with the first nations.

Thank you - you gave me another one.

Europeans had contact with other cultures from other continents, the NA natives? before Columbus, not so much..

[charter.rights]

Thank you - you gave me another one.

Europeans had contact with other cultures from other continents, the NA natives? before Columbus, not so much..

Wrong!

NA native peoples had a vast network between the high Arctic, Central and South America, Europe (Scandinavia) and even Asia via the Bering Strait long before Columbus ever bumped into the Caribbean. That would indicate a broader connection to world peoples than the British ever had....unless we include the number of times that Britain was conquered and squashed by invading forces....