Is Bush a Genius?

[JerrySeinfeld]

This man has spent the better part of his political career being consistently ultra-underesitmated by his opponents, and then turning that misperception on it's head to consistently hand defeat to his adversaries.

Bush is a two term president.

Saddam Hussein is dead.

Iraq war is on the verge of victory.

Tousands of Terrorists are behind bars indefinitely in Guanatamo without access of their traditional escape clauses: "human rights" claims / illgotten Canadian..er.. foreign passports / accusations of abuse / various other tactics recommended in Terrorist handbooks.

Oil prices are tumbling, on the backs of a souring US economy - shrinking the power of states such as Saudi Arabi, Iran and Russia.

Texas Oil companies have made a killing in the past 8 years.

He's basically gotten everything he could have wanted.

Granted the US economy is suffering right now, but recession do happen periodically.

How can people keep calling this guy a moron? He's basically sitting on a clean sweep.

Edited October 24, 2008 by JerrySeinfeld

[Sir Bandelot]

I would venture to say it depends on what yardstick you use to measure "success". Many of your points are highly debateable. The Iraq war is a success in some ways, but failure in others. Besides that is my view that anyone who is responsible directly or indirectly for thousands of deaths is not to be admired, and not "successful" by mu definition. That of course does not apply to Bush alone, but to people like Saddam to.

Saddam is dead- an evil man was killed by other evil men. I would not be proud. I would have been proud if he was given a trial in an international court and then executed, or preferably imprisoned for life.

Thousands of terrorists are behind bars in Guantanamo- Last I heard there was less than 500 or so still there. Most were released and sent back to their home countries, where we never hear what happens to them. But some of these were freed. Guantanamo is a holding zone for anyone whom the govt wanted detained, even if there was just a shadow of a doubt. Why are the trials taking so long to complete? The answer should be obvious. Guantanamo represents a double standard in the rule of law and human rights, because the government knows that they can not be detained without charges in the United States. Another reason not to gloat and be proud.

Anyway my view is that Bush is not a genius... an idiot savant perhaps but the strategic decisions are not being made by this individual. George Bush is the front-man, the mouthpiece for the administration. Others are far more knowledgeable about world history and espionage. Dick Cheney and Karl Rove are some names that come to mind.

[guyser]

Serious question? Really ?

[noahbody]

Iraq war is on the verge of victory.

Funny, I could have sworn he declared that years ago.

[JerrySeinfeld]

Funny, I could have sworn he declared that years ago.

Well, now that we're winning, who would know? For the the left leaning major networks it's a non-story. It's only worthy of coverage if we're losing and they can use it against the republicans. Now that we're winning they've moved on to new reasons-du-jour to hate the republicans.

[guyser]

Well, now that we're winning, who would know? For the the left leaning major networks it's a non-story. It's only worthy of coverage if we're losing and they can use it against the republicans. Now that we're winning they've moved on to new reasons-du-jour to hate the republicans.

Ah, blame the media spin.

Its not like you know, the Reps were doing a lousy job? Naw, blame the media.

[JerrySeinfeld]

Ah, blame the media spin.

Its not like you know, the Reps were doing a lousy job? Naw, blame the media.

Ah - you missed it.

Let me put it a little simpler for ya.

See: McCain was the main champion of the surge. For years he criticized the prosecution of the war (how it was waged).

McCain backed and championed the idea of a troop surge when everyone in the media, the dems and even a lot of republicans were abondoning ship and saying "bring the troops home now, we've lost"

Obama's good buddy Harry Reid declared the war "lost". Unquote. And Obama voted against McCain's surge.

Now we are seeing that McCain was clearly correct, his judgement sound and we are winning.

Of course, that's not a story. That's called bias, my friend.

[Moonlight Graham]

Is this thread a joke?

[JerrySeinfeld]

Is this thread a joke?

No. It's a fact.

[BubberMiley]

No. It's a fact.

It's a fact that the thread exists.

[peter_puck]

He's basically gotten everything he could have wanted.

How can people keep calling this guy a moron? He's basically sitting on a clean sweep.

Well, before I go on, the Iraq war has been a disaster no matter where things go from here. He took a state which kept Iran in check and was free of Al Queda to a country that is rife with Al Queeda. Free of its fear of Sadam, Iran has gone full bore on a nuclear weapons program.

As for tumbling oil shrinking the power of Russia......oil is still a whole lot higher than when Bush came to power. Compare Russia and the US when Bush took power. Russia was an economic basket case while the US was enjoying record surpluses.

I think though, he is concerned about histories judgment. He may thought of as the man who cemented the end of the "only superpower" era. In that respect, he is a moron.

[bush_cheney2004]

Well, before I go on, the Iraq war has been a disaster no matter where things go from here. He took a state which kept Iran in check and was free of Al Queda to a country that is rife with Al Queeda. Free of its fear of Sadam, Iran has gone full bore on a nuclear weapons program.

False...Iran pursued such goals long before Saddam was gone.

As for tumbling oil shrinking the power of Russia......oil is still a whole lot higher than when Bush came to power. Compare Russia and the US when Bush took power. Russia was an economic basket case while the US was enjoying record surpluses.

False again....there was was only one annual budget surplus while total debt continued to rise.

I think though, he is concerned about histories judgment. He may thought of as the man who cemented the end of the "only superpower" era. In that respect, he is a moron.

Some would thank him for such a condition, if it were true. The US remains the world's lone superpower. Canada can only wonder.

[noahbody]

I think though, he is concerned about histories judgment.

I don't think history will be kind to Bush or Gore. That reminds me; I have to go the the video store and pick up a porno/slasher flick.

Edited October 25, 2008 by noahbody

[bush_cheney2004]

I don't think history will be kind to Bush or Gore. That reminds me: I have to go the the video store and pick up a porno/slasher flick.

Excellent....it will no doubt be an American production....as usual.

[fairvotecanada]

This man has spent the better part of his political career being consistently ultra-underesitmated by his opponents, and then turning that misperception on it's head to consistently hand defeat to his adversaries.

Bush is a two term president.

Saddam Hussein is dead.

Iraq war is on the verge of victory.

Tousands of Terrorists are behind bars indefinitely in Guanatamo without access of their traditional escape clauses: "human rights" claims / illgotten Canadian..er.. foreign passports / accusations of abuse / various other tactics recommended in Terrorist handbooks.

Oil prices are tumbling, on the backs of a souring US economy - shrinking the power of states such as Saudi Arabi, Iran and Russia.

Texas Oil companies have made a killing in the past 8 years.

He's basically gotten everything he could have wanted.

Granted the US economy is suffering right now, but recession do happen periodically.

How can people keep calling this guy a moron? He's basically sitting on a clean sweep.

Give him a medal for his involving us in 911 after you see this documentary, would you?

http://blip.tv/file/306082/

Of course, I am being sarcastic, for those who did not get it.

Edited October 25, 2008 by fairvotecanada

[Oleg Bach]

This man has spent the better part of his political career being consistently ultra-underesitmated by his opponents, and then turning that misperception on it's head to consistently hand defeat to his adversaries.

Bush is a two term president.

Saddam Hussein is dead.

Iraq war is on the verge of victory.

Tousands of Terrorists are behind bars indefinitely in Guanatamo without access of their traditional escape clauses: "human rights" claims / illgotten Canadian..er.. foreign passports / accusations of abuse / various other tactics recommended in Terrorist handbooks.

Oil prices are tumbling, on the backs of a souring US economy - shrinking the power of states such as Saudi Arabi, Iran and Russia.

Texas Oil companies have made a killing in the past 8 years.

He's basically gotten everything he could have wanted.

Granted the US economy is suffering right now, but recession do happen periodically.

How can people keep calling this guy a moron? He's basically sitting on a clean sweep.

Funny how some with intuitive power saw what Bush really was - I saw him embrace a couple of poor black girls and I saw a man capable of love and compassion - The problem has always been that they would not allow this president to have his own head - they kept him in a harness - he was instructed to be cold - he went against the grain of who he really was - much like the son of a cop that wanted to be a vet - but followed in his fathers footsteps because it was demanded of him - and then the cops son fails and drinks himself to death - because evil mother and fathers lived vacariously though and offspring - this is a kind of demon possession - I believe Bush was possesed by his mother who is an arrogant hardnose hag.

[JerrySeinfeld]

Free of its fear of Sadam, Iran has gone full bore on a nuclear weapons program.

Strange. I keep being told saddam had no weapons

[bush_cheney2004]

Strange. I keep being told saddam had no weapons

Right...first they said that Saddam had the weapons because Dick Cheney had the receipts, then they said there were none after UN inspections, then they said he had some because Iran was afraid...then they said...

[PoliticalCitizen]

Is Bush a Genius?

Well, he has undone America in a way Soviet Union never dreamed possible... he should publish his "Idiot's guide on transforming a superpower into a financial black hole"

Not only is he a genius - he should be awarded the Nobel Peace prize: with no money to sponsor wars, USA may finally allow peace in the world

[Mr.Canada]

If they had found WMD in Iraq the rep. would have been re elected without incident.

[bush_cheney2004]

If they had found WMD in Iraq the rep. would have been re elected without incident.

They were anyway.

[Mr.Canada]

They were anyway.

Iraq is the only reason the Rep. are getting ousted. Nothing else.

[bush_cheney2004]

Iraq is the only reason the Rep. are getting ousted. Nothing else.

Nonsense...Iraq ceased to be the leading issue once Hillary was gone and the economy tanked. McCain was hoping to ride The Surge to victory, but Iraq weas overcome by domestic events.

Hell...even PM "We should have been in Iraq" Harper won twice.

Edited October 26, 2008 by bush_cheney2004

[Mr.Canada]

Nonsense...Iraq ceased to be the leading issue once Hillary was gone and the economy tanked. McCain was hoping to ride The Surge to victory, but Iraq weas overcome by domestic events.

Hell...even PM "We should have been in Iraq" Harper won twice.

I'm no great Bush lover, not at all. I dislike his nonchalant attitude about everything. He constantly has this 'awe shucks, horse kicking' attitude that I don't care for.

I really think that Obama will destroy the US. He's going to win, no doubt in my mind. I just want to see what shape the US will be in 2 years from now. Maybe I'm wrong and he'll be thegreatest President since Lincoln. We'll see. It'll be interesting to be sure to watch a president who has so many issues surrounding him. I find it hard to believe that if a white president had an openly racist minister he'd be elected but whatever I'm used to all the reverse racism and double standards now.

Let the games begin.

[bush_cheney2004]

I'm no great Bush lover, not at all. I dislike his nonchalant attitude about everything. He constantly has this 'awe shucks, horse kicking' attitude that I don't care for.

I'll let him know.

I really think that Obama will destroy the US. He's going to win, no doubt in my mind. I just want to see what shape the US will be in 2 years from now. Maybe I'm wrong and he'll be thegreatest President since Lincoln. We'll see. It'll be interesting to be sure to watch a president who has so many issues surrounding him. I find it hard to believe that if a white president had an openly racist minister he'd be elected but whatever I'm used to all the reverse racism and double standards now.

Obama cannot "destroy" the US. If he wins, he will just be another president like all the rest, with less of a "mandate" than Ronald Reagan. He may not get a majority in Congress either. As for "racism" or "reverse racism", Obama's "minister" is not remarkable compared to many other candidates and/or "white" presidents.

Let the games begin.

This game is almost over.