Harper needs to step down

[bush_cheney2004]

If you go to www.inforwars.com, its Alex Jones website and scroll down to the "9/11" section, go into the archives and and you'll come to ex-CIA agent Baer and you can watch a video of him being interview and talking about Israel's mossop agents in a white van being pickuped after 9/11 because they were filming and celebrating after the attacks. Another website is www.tomflocco.com

Polynewbie lives!

[Mr.Canada]

If you go to www.inforwars.com, its Alex Jones website and scroll down to the "9/11" section, go into the archives and and you'll come to ex-CIA agent Baer and you can watch a video of him being interview and talking about Israel's mossop agents in a white van being pickuped after 9/11 because they were filming and celebrating after the attacks. Another website is www.tomflocco.com

Yeah that was the one. Thanks.

[marksman]

I did in my original post - but here you go again:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legitimacy_of...g_of_Yugoslavia

FYI - not that it serves as a proof on its own but when Israel was defending their killing of 1,000 Lebanese civilians in the 2006 conflict they kept bringing up that Europeans "in their ivory towers" are trying to shame them with that while they themselves killed 10,000 Yugoslavs as a result of the bombing campaign.

Your link doesn't say what you're claiming. It says that before the nato campaign the dead was less than 2000 and it escalated to 10000. It makes no claims as to how those people died during the nato campaign.

It is.

Policing the world implies a wide range of actions to stop a great number of crimes or enforce an entire moral code. That's different than trying to prevent only the most serious of crimes.

The intention wasn't wrong - the method was.

I can agree there's always room for improvement on anything including how nato acted. But when the people committing the genocide are an army then it's hard to stop without an army. They chose legitimate targets to hit. It's not like nato was repeating the firebombing of Dresden.

I don't cheer anybody's death. I'd like there to be no wars. But sometimes an aggressor that feels he's allowed to do anything will not stop until someone shows them how it feels when your ally is hurt and you're helpless.

So you don't support death unless it's to hurt someone else and show them they're helpless? I don't consider someone stopping genocide an aggressor.

Didn't I hear a Conservative saying he should have ordered use of deadly force against the Natives and then the conflict would have been ended long time ago?

I can't say what you've heard and what you haven't heard. But for something to be called a genocide certain things need to actually happen. 1 nutjob saying something doesn't mean there's a genocide going on.

[marksman]

You had to be there.....William Shatner outsmarts "Nomad" in a Star Trek episode ("The Changeling") with a dramatic exercise in logic that even impresses Spock (or any skilled Russian chess player). The relevance here is for anyone who advocates death and destruction to "combat" genocide.

No logic can save a mistaken premise. Violence does not equate to genocide. I don't advocate death and destruction to stop genocide but I recognize that force will likely be necessary to stop genocide.

Your premise means that when a police officer comes across a victim being assaulted or murdered they should do nothing except try to talk to the criminal.

The logic itself is ok. Particularly for those people who support killing people with capital punishment because killing is wrong.

[normanchateau]

Karl Marx was a Jew and the Soviet style of socialism is based on Marxism.

Whether or not Karl Marx was a Jew depends on whether you accept Hitler's definition of Jewishness. Apparently you do.

The parents of Karl Marx were indeed Jews who converted to Lutheranism before Karl Marx was born or even conceived. In other words, his parents were Christian at the time of his birth.

Karl Marx was an atheist though Hitler labelled him a Jew on the grounds that his parents once were.

Hitler defined as Jews those whose grandparents were Jews even though their parents were not. Do you accept that definition as well?

Given that you buy the idea that someone born to a convert should be labelled in perpetuity with the preconvert religion, let me ask another question. Supposing you're a Christian who converted to Judaism. You then had a child who you raised to be Jewish. Should your child now be labelled a Christian?

Have you noticed that not many people on this board have come forward to defend your statements as not being anti-semitic?

[Mr.Canada]

Whether or not Karl Marx was a Jew depends on whether you accept Hitler's definition of Jewishness. Apparently you do.

The parents of Karl Marx were indeed Jews who converted to Lutheranism before Karl Marx was born or even conceived. In other words, his parents were Christian at the time of his birth.

Karl Marx was an atheist though Hitler labelled him a Jew on the grounds that his parents once were.

Hitler defined as Jews those whose grandparents were Jews even though their parents were not. Do you accept that definition as well?

Given that you buy the idea that someone born to a convert should be labelled in perpetuity with the preconvert religion, let me ask another question. Supposing you're a Christian who converted to Judaism. You then had a child who you raised to be Jewish. Should your child now be labelled a Christian?

Have you noticed that not many people on this board have come forward to defend your statements as not being anti-semitic?

Great spin. Spin it any way you want. 90% of revolutionaries were Jewish, that is a fact.

I didn't realize that FACTS were anti-semetic. Sorry to burst your bubble but the Jews aren't perfect.

I prefer posting FACTS of history, you'd do well to do the same.

I could care less if anyone agrees with me. I'm here to argue not pat peoples backs.

Arguing is entertainment to me.

Edited October 26, 2008 by Mr.Canada

[normanchateau]

I prefer posting FACTS of history, you'd do well to do the same.

I prefer posting facts as well. What did I say about Karl Marx that was not true?

Why did you refuse to answer my questions about how you define Jewishness?

Is it because you buy Hitler's definition?

[Mr.Canada]

I prefer posting facts as well. What did I say about Karl Marx that was not true?

Why did you refuse to answer my questions about how you define Jewishness?

Is it because you buy Hitler's definition?

If someones family is one religion for lets say 2000 years or 20 generations and then out of the blue 1 member of 1 generation converts to another religion that doesn't erase his past.

The German people should know that better than anyone as they are constantly beat over the head with the guilt stick even though many weren't even born yet.

Same drill for the USA and Jim Crowe's America.

Edited October 26, 2008 by Mr.Canada

[Oleg Bach]

I prefer posting facts as well. What did I say about Karl Marx that was not true?

Why did you refuse to answer my questions about how you define Jewishness?

Is it because you buy Hitler's definition?

Hitler the front man? I smell confusion - If you recall the original meeting in Austria..when the Zionist movement came into being - there was a fight - Half wanted to secure a homeland and personal security by concentrating on money - on the material solution - the other half that attended the meeting wanted to wait for a messiah and were going to wait for a spiritual deliverence and solution to the security issue. So - a schism formed...people forget that Hitlers first fine desk was gifted to him by a Jewhish woman - some of his most influential advisors were Jews - This dark historic fact is a great hidden shame ..... Secularist Jews of wisdon will admit that Jews have betrayed Jews since time began...

Let me explain national socialism - or material secularization clearly - If you have one brother that believes in God - he will not submit to an attempted domination by another brother who stickly believes in the material power of money. When this situation formed - the brother that refused to bow down to secualrism was in effect attacked by the materialist .....put plainly - You could not have a governing state as long as there were those that would never recognize absloute authority of that state - in other words You are not the boss of me! At this point in time I have heard rich anglos describe Judaism as being "a state of mind" - which means we have people in power who are honourary secularist jews ...I suggest that you pay no heed to all this stuff....very few people honour the contract of mutual co-operation and goodness that was the original covenant - Forget who is Jewish and who is not - as one Jew said - the great rabboni Christ - You will know then by the fruit they bare" - in the mean time - treat all men and woman with hope.

[normanchateau]

If someones family is one religion for lets say 2000 years or 20 generations and then out of the blue 1 member of 1 generation converts to another religion that doesn't erase his past.

Given that you buy the idea that someone born to a convert should be labelled in perpetuity with the preconvert religion, let me ask another question. Supposing you're a Christian who converted to Judaism. You then had a child who you raised to be Jewish. Should your child now be labelled a Christian?

[Oleg Bach]

We own our children - and If I am Christian that is what my child is - I own my wife and her body and she owns me and my body - If you did not have these rules of inherant possession then everyone would be piling on your wife like a pack of dogs - If I do not own something - then it means that EVERY BODY owns it. My familiar tradition is my wealth and heritage and inheritance - It is mine - Much like Christ saying to the Romans - Judea is mine and I am king - ooops - so they killed the king of the jews and took the royal lands...and are still bickering over ownership - You are entitled to keep your wealth and your religion and you are justified in fighting for intergenerational wealth - my grand kids are me and I am them - family is important ...if we do not keep our familiar culture then we may as well go get jobs on the assembly line in China - no one has rights there....

[normanchateau]

- and If I am Christian that is what my child is -

Not according to Mr. Canada. According to Mr. Canada, if you are Christian and your ancestors were Jews, then your child is a Jew. Remarkably, Mr. Canada's definition and criteria resemble those of the NSDAP.

[Mr.Canada]

Not according to Mr. Canada. According to Mr. Canada, if you are Christian and your ancestors were Jews, then your child is a Jew. Remarkably, Mr. Canada's definition and criteria resemble those of the NSDAP.

My Grandparents on one side were Jewish but they raised their children(one of my parents) Christian, maybe I'm a Jew by my own definition. Who knows.

I do have that perpetual year round tan so who knows

Edited October 26, 2008 by Mr.Canada

[Oleg Bach]

My Grandparents on one side were Jewish but they raised their children(one of my parents) Christian, maybe I'm a Jew by my own definition. Who knows.

I do have that perpetual year round tan so who knows

I have a tad Jew - orthodox Christian ( my grandfather a Christian was a martyr) He refused to give up his Chistianity to the communist - so they shot him... we are all a mixuture.... all I know is if I had a grand father who was willing to give up his life for the ancient Christian doctrine - then I am not about to insult his memory - You have to admire someone that stubborn... It is so important to stand up for something - now I just found out recently that my other grand father was an "exile of Chenchneya" (hope I spelled that wrong) - so the possiblity exists that I am the product of a Muslim Christian Jewish foundation - oh my! Who am I to be loyal too?

[normanchateau]

My Grandparents on one side were Jewish but they raised their children(one of my parents) Christian, maybe I'm a Jew by my own definition. Who knows.

You are Jewish by your own and NSDAP definition. Can you not see how absurd that definition is given that Judaism is a religion, not a race?

If it were a race, how do you account for the skin colour of Indian Jews in Bombay and Cochin, black Jews of Ethiopia, Oriental Jews, etc.?

Black Jews existed in Ethiopia more than 2000 years ago before Christianity had even been conceived. Yet they differ racially from European Jews.

[Mr.Canada]

You are Jewish by your own and NSDAP definition. Can you not see how absurd that definition is given that Judaism is a religion, not a race?

If it were a race, how do you account for the skin colour of Indian Jews in Bombay and Cochin, black Jews of Ethiopia, Oriental Jews, etc.?

Black Jews existed in Ethiopia more than 2000 years ago before Christianity had even been conceived. Yet they differ racially from European Jews.

Ah but Jews are unique that way. It is a race and a religion.

[Oleg Bach]

The marriage practice of Jews marrying only Jews does in time create a race - as far as them being a religion at this point in time is in question - I assisted in a very perlonged litigation against a Jewish governmental agency - It seemed in the long run I did not see one sign of religious behaviour. It was distressing, that secularists opportunists with a sense of protection and entitlement pillage the system. You would think that Godlyness would emulate honour and goodness - a selfish selve serving racist bunch is all I saw in the end - plus they displayed great cowardice - call me a bigot if you want - but I did not see one Jewish man step forward and say - we may be wrong and may have offended you.

[PoliticalCitizen]

The marriage practice of Jews ...

How did we get here from Harper needing to step down?

Oh boy

[Mr.Canada]

How did we get here from Harper needing to step down?

Oh boy

Easy. Socialists who cannot prove their points start to steer the topic elsewhere. That is a common practice by the communists.

[PoliticalCitizen]

Easy. Socialists who cannot prove their points start to steer the topic elsewhere. That is a common practice by the communists.

What would YOU know of Communism?

To you Communism is what's in North Korea today...

To us Communism is the bright future where the atomic sun never sets and the sheep lays with the lion

[Alta4ever]

What would YOU know of Communism?

To you Communism is what's in North Korea today...

To us Communism is the bright future where the atomic sun never sets and the sheep lays with the lion

We know that true communisim (as defined by Karl Marx) was n't reached by any state they all get stuck in the dictitorial phase of the transfer, although a couple of countries have gotten close. Most states who have tried to get to communisim get stuck at extreme socialism due to the inablity of the human condition, to get past certain inherent traits.

[PoliticalCitizen]

We know that true communisim (as defined by Karl Marx) was n't reached by any state they all get stuck in the dictitorial phase of the transfer, although a couple of countries have gotten close. Most states who have tried to get to communisim get stuck at extreme socialism due to the inablity of the human condition, to get past certain inherent traits.

Thank you!

That is very good - with the small correction that true Communism cannot be achieved in any separate country or group of countries - for it to happen there should be no borders and the world has to be whole.

Oh, and these countries like North Korea - that's Totalitarianism stemming from Socialism.