Dion's 3 strikes interview

[Jobu]

Anyone who doesn't see a problem with taking advantage of a person's diability whether directly or indirectly for their own personal gain is in my books a little lower on the food chain then the rest of us.

Shameful to all who approve

PS - as we all age our hearing will be affected and it will impact all of us .... keep that in mind

I hope opponents of my view are just stating their case for banter and not based on personal views

A couple of things:

1. What is this magical disability that apparently reared its head in precisely NOT the time that Dion originally said it arises, namely, scrums and cocktail parties?

2. Disability or not, do you really want this fumbling embarrassment on the domestic or international scene?

Media and liberals pick apart every single remark Harper makes, even when they are calm, responsible and right (i.e., the market probably presents good buying opportunities at the time).

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

This is a huge, inexplicable, terrible embarrassing turn of events. And it validates everything the CPC has said about Dion's leadership, not to mention the left-leaning Globe & Mail's editorial endorsement of the CPC today.

Rae and Ignatieff couldn't be happier.

[myata]

For starters, I'm not a huge fan of Mr Dion, as is clear from my numerous posts here.

However I find the take of CTV on this story highly questionnable and would like to have it clarified.

My understanding is that this was a recorded interview. Dion understood the question the first time, but asked to rerun it because he did not like the way he started explaining his position. Like with that pop song, you don't know how many takes it's done in. Or those smoothie famility ads with Harper.

My biggest concern is the apparent breach of trust. All is fair game, as long as everybody is aware of the rules. Wake you up in the middle of the night in your underwear, and all kind of interesting truths may come about.

If anything it speaks for the lack of experience with the media. There's no evidence of "confusion" or "misunderstanding of language". I hope that, on CTV part, its the want of sensation, and not political interference (like last time, with RCMP investigation).

[Argus]

Does this satisfy you:

Hear, hear! Sufferers laud Dion

I guess it goes to show that you don't keep yourself informed much.

No, it does not satisfy me. He's been a politician for many years. He's in his fifties. No one has ever spoken of a hearing impairment before. Now suddenly he mentions he has trouble hearing sometimes, after fumbling some other question I believe, and we're to take that as evidence of a genuine hearing impairment? Sorry, no dice.

[Jobu]

For starters, I'm not a huge fan of Mr Dion, as is clear from my numerous posts here.

However I find the take of CTV on this story highly questionnable and would like to have it clarified.

My understanding is that this was a recorded interview. Dion understood the question the first time, but asked to rerun it because he did not like the way he started explaining his position. Like with that pop song, you don't know how many takes it's done in. Or those smoothie famility ads with Harper.

My biggest concern is the apparent breach of trust. All is fair game, as long as everybody is aware of the rules. Wake you up in the middle of the night in your underwear, and all kind of interesting truths may come about.

If anything it speaks for the lack of experience with the media. There's no evidence of "confusion" or "misunderstanding of language". I hope that, on CTV part, its the want of sensation, and not political interference (like last time, with RCMP investigation).

Seriously?

So what was he doing on CBC this morning saying that he didn't understand the question and was confused?

[TOhasCLASS]

A couple of things:

1. What is this magical disability that apparently reared its head in precisely NOT the time that Dion originally said it arises, namely, scrums and cocktail parties?

2. Disability or not, do you really want this fumbling embarrassment on the domestic or international scene?

Media and liberals pick apart every single remark Harper makes, even when they are calm, responsible and right (i.e., the market probably presents good buying opportunities at the time).

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

This is a huge, inexplicable, terrible embarrassing turn of events. And it validates everything the CPC has said about Dion's leadership, not to mention the left-leaning Globe & Mail's editorial endorsement of the CPC today.

Rae and Ignatieff couldn't be happier.

All I can say is wow .... very classy ... if you are embarrassed by disabilities you depth of character is something to be proud of

proof that our society has a long way to go

[Jobu]

All I can say is wow .... very classy ... if you are embarrassed by disabilities you depth of character is something to be proud of

proof that our society has a long way to go

Where did I say I was embarrassed by disabilities?

I suppose we're supposed to give Dion a free pass here? I mean, not like he's running for top job in the land or anything.

And you never answered my questions.

Thanks for coming out.

Edited October 10, 2008 by Jobu

[Argus]

Hate to burst your bubble, but according to Dion, he doesn't have a hearing impairment one on one.

http://www.thestar.com/FederalElection/article/495304

Now, is there anything lower than someone pretending to be disabled to get sympathy?

So in essence, all he said was he sometimes has trouble hearing when a whole bunch of people are shouting at once. Uhm, that's not a hearing impairment, that's NORMAL. Especially if you're not good with English.

[Argus]

All I can say is wow .... very classy ... if you are embarrassed by disabilities you depth of character is something to be proud of

proof that our society has a long way to go

Dion has no disability. All he's said was that when a whole bunch of people are shouting at him in English he has a hard time understanding. That is not the same thing as a hearing disability. His ears are fine. He clearly heard the question. He just didn't know how to answer - probably because he had no answer. There really isn't anything he would have done differently.

[myata]

Seriously?

So what was he doing on CBC this morning saying that he didn't understand the question and was confused?

He had to say what he had to say. Obviously he can't blame the media now. That does not negate the issue with CTV's decision to broadcast the part that was not expected to be broadcasted. I consider it as a breach of trust.

As I said, all is fair when everybody's aware of the rules. Everybody had their less than best moments, and should it have been a live event, it'd be a fair game. Taking it at the time the person fully expects it to be private, is unfair. If somebody made this decision purely on the "public information" reasoning, I do not agree with it whatsoever. CTV changed the rules of the game on the fly, turning a recorded event into a live one, without interviewee being aware of it. That's unfair and does not tell me anything new about Mr Dion, other than that he's not an iron clad leader and has human weaknesses, as all (OK, most) of us do.

[Smallc]

Seriously?

So what was he doing on CBC this morning saying that he didn't understand the question and was confused?

First, this was a huge breach of trust on the part of CTV.

Second, you really can't believe that someone simply misunderstood, or screwed up the anser, or was tired, or had a brain fart? Really?

[White Doors]

First, this was a huge breach of trust on the part of CTV.

Second, you really can't believe that someone simply misunderstood, or screwed up the anser, or was tired, or had a brain fart? Really?

Did you watch it?

Dion was angry

[Jobu]

He had to say what he had to say. Obviously he can't blame the media now. That does not negate the issue with CTV's decision to broadcast the part that was not expected to be broadcasted. I consider it as a breach of trust.

As I said, all is fair when everybody's aware of the rules. Everybody had their less than best moments, and should it have been a live event, it'd be a fair game. Taking it at the time the person fully expects it to be private, is unfair. If somebody made this decision purely on the "public information" reasoning, I do not agree with it whatsoever. CTV changed the rules of the game on the fly, turning a recorded event into a live one, without interviewee being aware of it. That's unfair and does not tell me anything new about Mr Dion, other than that he's not an iron clad leader and has human weaknesses, as all (OK, most) of us do.

So he expected this interview to be private?

He's telling us one thing, but we're supposed to believe your explanation?

[Smallc]

Did you watch it?

Dion was angry

Or was he frustrated? I think people on the right are simply looking for something, the same way that the people on the left call Harper scary. Its kind of like Harper scary, Dion stupid. I think both attacks are really dumb.

[Jobu]

First, this was a huge breach of trust on the part of CTV.

Second, you really can't believe that someone simply misunderstood, or screwed up the anser, or was tired, or had a brain fart? Really?

With all due respect, if he was tripped up on this simple question four times, it doesn't bode well for him being able to understand the issues as a PM.

[Smallc]

With all due respect, if he was tripped up on this simple question four times, it doesn't bode well for him being able to understand the issues as a PM.

Really, you've never had a moment where you just couldn't think clearly? And don't tell me your not running for PM, because we're all human and we all make mistakes.

[Argus]

Really, you've never had a moment where you just couldn't think clearly? And don't tell me your not running for PM, because we're all human and we all make mistakes.

Well, I"m watching Dion now on the CBC going over the incident and he's even more confused sounding now than he was then, despite the interviewer giving him every possible chance. He clearly has no ideas at all. He still has not been able to say what he would have done differently, and his only plan for the future remains "I'll call some meetings and ask some people what I should be doing". Anyone who calls that a plan is an idiot. As Coyne pointed out, all these people are readily available now, were readily available last month and last year. Why are you waiting?

Edited October 10, 2008 by Argus

[Jobu]

Really, you've never had a moment where you just couldn't think clearly? And don't tell me your not running for PM, because we're all human and we all make mistakes.

Of course I have. But not when I've been bashing someone else on the exact same point for a week and was asked the same, basic question four times.

[Jobu]

Well, I"m watching Dion now on the CBC going over the incident and he's even more confused sounding now than he was then, despite the interviewer giving him every possible chance. He clearly has no ideas at all. He still has not been able to say what he would have done differently, and his only plan for the future remains "I'll call some meetings and ask some people what I should be doing". Anyone who calls that a plan is an idiot. As Coyne pointed out, all these people are readily available now, were readily available last month and last year. Why are you waiting?

Not to mention, these meetings and discussions are ongoing on a daily basis, as everyone knows.

[Argus]

Not to mention, these meetings and discussions are ongoing on a daily basis, as everyone knows.

Jesus, the guy is almost incomprehensible. I think this is the difference between him giving a practiced speech and trying to communicate in English on the fly. He really is bad at it.

And yes, is there seriously anyone who thinks Harper and his government have not been actively consulting with economists and financial experts over the last several months? Come on.

[Jobu]

Jesus, the guy is almost incomprehensible. I think this is the difference between him giving a practiced speech and trying to communicate in English on the fly. He really is bad at it.

And yes, is there seriously anyone who thinks Harper and his government have not been actively consulting with economists and financial experts over the last several months? Come on.

Yeah, I'm not sure why he went on CBC this mornng. He was even more flustered.

[White Doors]

Or was he frustrated? I think people on the right are simply looking for something, the same way that the people on the left call Harper scary. Its kind of like Harper scary, Dion stupid. I think both attacks are really dumb.

Have you watched it? That's all you have to do.

It would be an embarassment to have this man as our leader.

[jdobbin]

Have you watched it? That's all you have to do.

It would be an embarassment to have this man as our leader.

It's an embarrassment that Harper attacks, attacks, attack based on the interview. Layton and Duceppe are not even touching this but Harper has shown just how low he can go.

[Jobu]

It's an embarrassment that Harper attacks, attacks, attack based on the interview. Layton and Duceppe are not even touching this but Harper has shown just how low he can go.

Need a tissue?

[August1991]

Really, you've never had a moment where you just couldn't think clearly? And don't tell me your not running for PM, because we're all human and we all make mistakes.

Well clearly, Dion was exhausted but if the shoe were on the other foot, if the Liberals had access to a similar tape of Harper, you can be certain that they would use it in a heartbeat.

I have no sympathy for Dion or the Liberals over this gaffe.

It's an embarrassment that Harper attacks, attacks, attack based on the interview. Layton and Duceppe are not even touching this but Harper has shown just how low he can go.

The Liberals have and would go lower if it meant winning. Edited October 10, 2008 by August1991

[jdobbin]

Ah yes, but a proof is a proof.

And his face was a good proof or was he lying?