jdobbin Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 Well clearly, Dion was exhausted but if the shoe were on the other foot, if the Liberals had access to a similar tape of Harper, you can be certain that they would use it in a heartbeat.I have no sympathy for Dion or the Liberals over this gaffe. Didn't think you would be. The problem it continues to show that Harper is the king of the attack and that won't be covered up by a blue sweater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobu Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 (edited) Didn't think you would be.The problem it continues to show that Harper is the king of the attack and that won't be covered up by a blue sweater. Yet Stephane and his cronies sure like to attack, don't they? This is a big boy's game. Celine's obviously, painfully, not up to the task. Do we really need to do a rundown of the LPC's smear tactics from the last several elections, including this one? Edited October 10, 2008 by Jobu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdobbin Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 The Liberals have and would go lower if it meant winning. Harper once said when he was an analyst about the dangers of going negative in the last week. It is a desperate measure from a desperate man in a desperate party desperate to win a majority that they had in the bag a few weeks ago but blew from lack of substance. This is a clear reflection of a lack of substance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobu Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 Harper once said when he was an analyst about the dangers of going negative in the last week. It is a desperate measure from a desperate man in a desperate party desperate to win a majority that they had in the bag a few weeks ago but blew from lack of substance. This is a clear reflection of a lack of substance. How has Harper gone negative here? Please explain. He simply stated what is obvioius. This ditherer can't answer a question when postd FOUR times. How do you expect this fool to run a country? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdobbin Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 Yet Stephane and his cronies sure like to attack, don't they? However, we see Harper goes for the personal attack. This is a big boy's game. Celine's obviously, painfully, not up to the task. Clearly, you don't know the rules about namecalling and the leaders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobu Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 However, we see Harper goes for the personal attack. Example? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdobbin Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 How has Harper gone negative here? Please explain. Harper is the only one who attacks personally on the tape. Not Duceppe, not Layton and not May. Just Harper. It is low gutter politics from a politician who has shown a penchant for it. He simply stated what is obvioius. This ditherer can't answer a question when postd FOUR times. How do you expect this fool to run a country? By that same token Canadians have shied away from someone who only attacks and seem to lack the human touch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdobbin Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 (edited) Example? Puffins. Edited October 10, 2008 by jdobbin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusThermopyle Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 Anyone who doesn't see a problem with taking advantage of a person's diability whether directly or indirectly for their own personal gain is in my books a little lower on the food chain then the rest of us.Shameful to all who approve PS - as we all age our hearing will be affected and it will impact all of us .... keep that in mind I hope opponents of my view are just stating their case for banter and not based on personal views One of the biggest bunches of irrelevant blather I've heard in a while. So, who is taking advantage of a "disability" here? Not the Conservatives, I haven't heard one single word from them about a disability, have you? Is it your view that Dion is being taken advantage of because he screwed up? Or do you believe that his apparent lack of ideas is just a minor blip? Sure, why should the guy who wants to run the country have to have any idea at all about what he's doing? Nah, its not like its an important position or anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobu Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 Puffins. Really? So you think Harper and the web designer had a meeting on this one? Please. In any event, I thought we were talking about Dion's inability to answer a very simple question 4 times and the response thereto. Guess I was wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdobbin Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 Really? So you think Harper and the web designer had a meeting on this one? Please. Harper is the boss. In any event, I thought we were talking about Dion's inability to answer a very simple question 4 times and the response thereto.Guess I was wrong. Harper just knows the art of the attack and he is off message again. All of the questions now going live and the media keeps on him about his attack on Dion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobu Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 Harper is the boss.Harper just knows the art of the attack and he is off message again. All of the questions now going live and the media keeps on him about his attack on Dion. They are asking about which attack? The puffin? Have you caught your tail yet? Are you confused? Do I need to re-phrase the question? Should we do a re-take? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 I thought it was funny. Maybe Dion was tired. Maybe he was being his typical Sillery, academic self. ---- This tape will have no effect in Quebec. Dion will get no seats in French Quebec anyway. Oh my...the first time when he asked for calrification, he understood the question as demonstrated by him saying he would have had an agenda....I think this comes down to the fatc he doesn't have either an agenda or a real idea or plan what to do. Poor fellow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 So is there really a disability that makes someone unable to understand one language, but not another? Isn't that just called unilingual? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdobbin Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 They are asking about which attack? The puffin? Have you caught your tail yet?Are you confused? Do I need to re-phrase the question? Should we do a re-take? Speaking of attacks... Low, gutter politics from the leader, low, gutter politics from the followers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capricorn Posted October 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 All of the questions now going live and the media keeps on him about his attack on Dion. You forget we are in an election that will determine the next PM. Your guy screws up and he's supposed to get a pass? Harper has been clear in his replies to the media when the screw up was raised and he has handled those questions very well. No mention of a disability. Only remarking that it is not a language difficulty. Harper says the obvious which is that Dion has no plan and, this came through loud and clear in the interview. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdobbin Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 You forget we are in an election that will determine the next PM. Your guy screws up and he's supposed to get a pass? Harper has been clear in his replies to the media when the screw up was raised and he has handled those questions very well. No mention of a disability. Only remarking that it is not a language difficulty. Harper says the obvious which is that Dion has no plan and, this came through loud and clear in the interview. I say Harper screwed up to attack and now the Quebec media is asking why he is attacking when Harper himself had issues with the French language when he first started out. The news conference is on now if you'd like to watch it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capricorn Posted October 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 Low, gutter politics from the leader, low, gutter politics from the followers. You've run out of ideas to defend Dion's shortcomings so you turn your frustration on Conservative supporters. Give it a rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim MacSquinty Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 (edited) It is absolutley pure cowardice to hide behind a disabilty, if it indeed exists, on this one, people who have disabilities should be mad. Dion's little socialist brain went numb when the question did not have a scripted answer, he defaulted to the script over and over and he looked like a fool, just plain fool, not a disabled fool. Furthermore, to have the balls to then accuse Harper of making fun of a disabilty, when he clearly did no such thing, takes the public for fools. This type of intellectual arrogance still exists in the Liberal back rooms whether Scotty "beer and popcorn" is there or not. And you scumbag Liberal operatives from Mark Holland's office who use these and other forums for anonymous character assasinations using public resources will get caught the target will not let this one go you can bet on that. Edited October 10, 2008 by Slim MacSquinty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobu Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 Speaking of attacks...Low, gutter politics from the leader, low, gutter politics from the followers. Nice deflection. Teflon dobbin! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobu Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 I say Harper screwed up to attack and now the Quebec media is asking why he is attacking when Harper himself had issues with the French language when he first started out. The news conference is on now if you'd like to watch it. Again, I ask, what attack? Harper was questioning Dion's answer, that he as no plan. Not a word about misunderstandinr or language. What attack has Harper made on Dion in connection with Dion's self-inflicted knockout? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 Dobbin, if this were the other way around, the Liberals would have done exactly the same - and they would have done it with the full support of the media. Imagine for a second if Harper had been as tired and as incoherent as Dion appeared. Bob Rae dug up old speeches and claimed they were plagiarized from an Australian PM. And who can forget Kinsella's use of Barney the Dinosaur. At the time, Liberals and the media smugly laughed. Harper was perfectly right to draw attention to this video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdobbin Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 Dobbin, if this were the other way around, the Liberals would have done exactly the same - and they would have done it with the full support of the media. And the Tories would have attacked as a cyncial gutter politics with no substance from a party desperate to win with a leader desperate to take things personally. Or do you disagree? Imagine for a second if Harper had been as tired and as incoherent as Dion appeared. The French media today is saying they treated Harper with kidgloves when he was starting out. Just watched what they said on the scrum that was live on the networks minutes ago. Bob Rae dug up old speeches and claimed they were plagiarized from an Australian PM. And who can forget Kinsella's use of Barney the Dinosaur. At the time, Liberals and the media smugly laughed.Harper was perfectly right to draw attention to this video. And the Liberals are perfectly justifiable in showing how low and how gutter Harper gets when he feels cornered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdobbin Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 Again, I ask, what attack? I realize you think the campaign has been a gentleman's affair but many don't think so. Harper was questioning Dion's answer, that he as no plan. Not a word about misunderstandinr or language.What attack has Harper made on Dion in connection with Dion's self-inflicted knockout? Once again a parroting of what Harper's explanation is. The French media asked why Harper attacked when they said he had troubles understanding questions when he was starting out in French in the province. That is how the question is being framed by them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobu Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 Latest Harris Decima poll shows CPC up 2, LPC down 1. Spread is back up to 8 points. And this is before "the interview" and the job numbers. Majority still in the cards? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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