Conservative Platfom

[M.Dancer]

Points that I support

• The Tories are also promising to slash tariffs on imported machinery and equipment by $345-million per year in another vowed break to manufacturers.
  Eliminating the Criminal Code's “faint hope clause” which allows “even the most serious criminals to seek early release.”
  The Tories also tougher action on drunk drivers, abolishing conditional sentences and introducing mandatory prison terms for impaired driving causing bodily harm or death.
  Finally they would enact mandatory registration and DNA sampling for all sex offenders and dangerous offenders. This would mean “automatic inclusion for all serious sex offences in the National Sex Offender Registry.”
  

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...7/BNStory/Front

[PoliticalCitizen]

Couldn't they wait a little longer and introduce a platform AFTER the election?

Edited October 7, 2008 by PoliticalCitizen

[TCCK]

Points that I support

• The Tories are also promising to slash tariffs on imported machinery and equipment by $345-million per year in another vowed break to manufacturers.
  Eliminating the Criminal Code's “faint hope clause” which allows “even the most serious criminals to seek early release.”
  The Tories also tougher action on drunk drivers, abolishing conditional sentences and introducing mandatory prison terms for impaired driving causing bodily harm or death.
  Finally they would enact mandatory registration and DNA sampling for all sex offenders and dangerous offenders. This would mean “automatic inclusion for all serious sex offences in the National Sex Offender Registry.”
  

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...7/BNStory/Front

This is a good thing people, anyone that fights these things must be a crimanl at heart or doing something wrong so they are covering their asses so they do not end up on the bad end of the law.

Do you know how much every year the government has to pay for criminals to get re-tried and new cases becasue they do not ant to give up their freedoms EVEN though they are guilty as can be but the law says e have to give them another case.

[Smallc]

This is a good thing people,

How about you let us decide that.

[Topaz]

There could be two things wrong with this....another minority government and how many voters believe in what Harpers says??

[jdobbin]

This is the amazing platform that will set tongues wagging across the country?

First of all, there is no timetable for the announcement other than 4 years. Secondly, it includes a flip flop on TV and film funding. Quite a flip flop and smells like, should I say, panic.

[Kitch]

This is a good thing people, anyone that fights these things must be a crimanl at heart or doing something wrong so they are covering their asses so they do not end up on the bad end of the law.

Do you know how much every year the government has to pay for criminals to get re-tried and new cases becasue they do not ant to give up their freedoms EVEN though they are guilty as can be but the law says e have to give them another case.

What about that forensic pathologist in Ontario that messed up a bunch of cases over the years? Before this came to light, would we not be able to say that many of the "criminals" he helped prosecution of are "guilty as can be"?

I'm not giving an opinion on this platform... rather I'm commenting on your ignorant statement.

[blueblood]

This is the amazing platform that will set tongues wagging across the country?

First of all, there is no timetable for the announcement other than 4 years. Secondly, it includes a flip flop on TV and film funding. Quite a flip flop and smells like, should I say, panic.

As a tory supporter, I'm upset at how poorly this campaign was run. The platform needed to be out earlier, and they focused too much on the Liberals instead of destroying the Bloc, where were the Duceppe attack ads???

The tories were to comfortable and too confident and it shows in their poorly run campaign. Harper will be lucky to keep the same amount of seats.

We'll be back to this in no time.

The tory party needs a change. Harper is a good strategist, not a good orator. Perhaps an overhaul of this campaign team as well.

Not happy.

[jdobbin]

As a tory supporter, I'm upset at how poorly this campaign was run. The platform needed to be out earlier, and they focused too much on the Liberals instead of destroying the Bloc, where were the Duceppe attack ads???

I'll agree on going after Duceppe. I'd rather have federal parties in Quebec even if they are Conservatives. Harper and his party intelligentsia seemed to think this was the perfect time to destroy the Liberals and didn't keep their eye on Duceppe, a consistent performer in election years. He has been been the foe for both Liberals and Tories for years.

Harper was hoping for some economic reforms to appeal to some Quebecers and forgetting that culture was has huge in defending their interests. The crime bill fell flat there as well even if it appealed to Albertans.

Both of us talked about how Duceppe was someone who needed to be dealt with. I knew that Dion was not going to be able to breakthrough in Quebec because of the baggage he had. Harper seemed better able to benefit and the fact that he failed is going to have repercussions.

The tories were to comfortable and too confident and it shows in their poorly run campaign. Harper will be lucky to keep the same amount of seats.

The backroom boys ran an aggressive campaign but the "not a leader" aspect of it often felt personal. They would have done better on the issues.

There was an attempt to show Harper in a warmer glow but it seemed cynical because it was coming in the campaign and we'd seen months of contempt for the media and for public events that were not tightly controlled. One appearance on Rick Mercer does not make for a warm PM.

Perhaps an appearance at something as simple as the fundraiser for the Humane Society might have given the people the impression of the man rather than the strategist.

I said this summer that it would have been good for Harper to go to the Olympics. Not only was it an important gesture for international relations but it would have shown Harper supporting the athletes and being the public persona of the support we felt for those competing.

We'll be back to this in no time.

The tory party needs a change. Harper is a good strategist, not a good orator. Perhaps an overhaul of this campaign team as well.

The Tories have a lot of combatants but not as many competent stick to your knitting reliable ministers helping the Tory brand. There should have been more Jim Prentices and fewer Jason Kenneys. More Emersons (despite his baggage, an eminently qualified minister) and fewer Bairds.

Not happy.

To be fair, the biggest hit Harper has taken so far is on the economy. His defence of sticking to what he is doing now was just not inspiring confidence as it should have been. It doesn't help that three weeks ago, he said he thought the worst was over.

His government attacks on Ontario showed he probably wasn't one to find a route to cooperation with that province in getting the manufacturing sector off the ropes.

Quite simply, in the last days he needed to be able to say "I feel your pain and our government will try to restore confidence, jobs, investment and savings."

Edited October 7, 2008 by jdobbin

[M.Dancer]

http://conservative.ca/media/20081007-Platform-e.pdf

There's actually quite a lot there. I am happy he has reaffirmed arctic sovreignty and defence.

[mjp]

well I can say its littered with all the photo ops that he has been in so far this election...

kinda sad impo, that they have to include all those. But the price of psychological warfare is never to great to get people to vote for someone.

Fear is power.

[independent]

I'll agree on going after Duceppe. I'd rather have federal parties in Quebec even if they are Conservatives. Harper and his party intelligentsia seemed to think this was the perfect time to destroy the Liberals and didn't keep their eye on Duceppe, a consistent performer in election years. He has been been the foe for both Liberals and Tories for years.

Harper was hoping for some economic reforms to appeal to some Quebecers and forgetting that culture was has huge in defending their interests. The crime bill fell flat there as well even if it appealed to Albertans.

Both of us talked about how Duceppe was someone who needed to be dealt with. I knew that Dion was not going to be able to breakthrough in Quebec because of the baggage he had. Harper seemed better able to benefit and the fact that he failed is going to have repercussions.

The backroom boys ran an aggressive campaign but the "not a leader" aspect of it often felt personal. They would have done better on the issues.

There was an attempt to show Harper in a warmer glow but it seemed cynical because it was coming in the campaign and we'd seen months of contempt for the media and for public events that were not tightly controlled. One appearance on Rick Mercer does not make for a warm PM.

Perhaps an appearance at something as simple as the fundraiser for the Humane Society might have given the people the impression of the man rather than the strategist.

I said this summer that it would have been good for Harper to go to the Olympics. Not only was it an important gesture for international relations but it would have shown Harper supporting the athletes and being the public persona of the support we felt for those competing.

The Tories have a lot of combatants but not as many competent stick to your knitting reliable ministers helping the Tory brand. There should have been more Jim Prentices and fewer Jason Kenneys. More Emersons (despite his baggage, an eminently qualified minister) and fewer Bairds.

To be fair, the biggest hit Harper has taken so far is on the economy. His defence of sticking to what he is doing now was just not inspiring confidence as it should have been. It doesn't help that three weeks ago, he said he thought the worst was over.

His government attacks on Ontario showed he probably wasn't one to find a route to cooperation with that province in getting the manufacturing sector off the ropes.

Quite simply, in the last days he needed to be able to say "I feel your pain and our government will try to restore confidence, jobs, investment and savings."

Harper has stayed the coarse. No real plan for the economy. Get tough on crime with out explaining where he plans on get the money from(What is the cost of throwing 14 year olds in jail),His only plan is trying too eliminate the LIBERALS by bankrupting them(instead of proving he is the better option), and trying to eliminate the senate or any one else that gets in his way.

[DrGreenthumb]

Harper has stayed the coarse. No real plan for the economy. Get tough on crime with out explaining where he plans on get the money from(What is the cost of throwing 14 year olds in jail),His only plan is trying too eliminate the LIBERALS by bankrupting them(instead of proving he is the better option), and trying to eliminate the senate or any one else that gets in his way.

Hopefully this will accelerate the downward trend the Cons have been in for much of this campaign. A crappy platform released AFTER the advance polls and barely a week left in the campaign shows Harper is unprepared to be Prime mininister and doesn't deserve to run this country. I hope he doesn't even get his minority back, then maybe we will finally see Harper fade away. I just hope Canadians don't give him the opportunity to further damage our economy and our country with his handouts to the already wealthy and his "screw-you" attitude towards working families.

[capricorn]

This is the amazing platform that will set tongues wagging across the country?

Counting your chickens early?

First of all, there is no timetable for the announcement other than 4 years.

In this time of economic downturn, some flexibility is necessary. Timetables would not offer such flexibility. It reminds me of Dion and McCallum saying that if revenues are not as anticipated, the Green Shift would have to be introduced in stages. No timetable there.

Secondly, it includes a flip flop on TV and film funding. Quite a flip flop and smells like, should I say, panic.

This cancellation of the arts cuts will put Duceppe's campaign off balance. I'm sure he never expected this. I thought you were all about deep sixing Duceppe. Have you changed your mind?

[Alta4ever]

Harper has stayed the coarse. No real plan for the economy. Get tough on crime with out explaining where he plans on get the money from(What is the cost of throwing 14 year olds in jail),His only plan is trying too eliminate the LIBERALS by bankrupting them(instead of proving he is the better option), and trying to eliminate the senate or any one else that gets in his way.

What are you looking for on the economy? Huge amounts of government intervention, in fact what is wrong with our economy, our short term economic outlook is better then the US. We are looking at short and small recessionary dip, the US is looking at a huge recessionary dip that looks like it will be quite painful to the average american. I guess the deomcrats should have listened to House republicans, the three times they tried to bring in measures to avert this very problem. The CPC has done a very good job with the economy, and we should be fine as long as the huge tax tax and spend plans of the left of centre parties stay on the shelves until this is over.

[Alta4ever]

Hopefully this will accelerate the downward trend the Cons have been in for much of this campaign. A crappy platform released AFTER the advance polls and barely a week left in the campaign shows Harper is unprepared to be Prime mininister and doesn't deserve to run this country. I hope he doesn't even get his minority back, then maybe we will finally see Harper fade away. I just hope Canadians don't give him the opportunity to further damage our economy and our country with his handouts to the already wealthy and his "screw-you" attitude towards working families.

Please tell me who is prepared, the empty suit Jack Layton who is all style and no substance (several NDP policies that contradictory), or Mr. Dion who finds it hard to set priorities?

How is our economy damaged? Unemployement is still at some of the lowest numbers ever.

What hand outs to the wealthy? Please define what wealthy is to you. I am the head of a working family, I feel more included in Canada then I ever have, and its nice to have the government getting out of my way, the impediment ot saving has been lifted the with the Tax Free Savings account, which I plan to start saving my pennies in, knowing that there will be no tax when I need the money. Economically this government has done far more for my family then any other government in my lifetime.

I think you are angry because they will not legalize the substance you like to use.

Thank you Prime Minister Harper and the CPC for standing up to the vested and vocal interestes, thank you for standing up for my family and for all Canadians.

[jdobbin]

Counting your chickens early?

Please describe to me where the incredible platform is bringing a wow factor to the campaign. What made you go wow?

In this time of economic downturn, some flexibility is necessary. Timetables would not offer such flexibility. It reminds me of Dion and McCallum saying that if revenues are not as anticipated, the Green Shift would have to be introduced in stages. No timetable there.

In this time of economic downturn some things need to be done now not four years from now.

This cancellation of the arts cuts will put Duceppe's campaign off balance. I'm sure he never expected this. I thought you were all about deep sixing Duceppe. Have you changed your mind?

Nope. I'd like to see Duceppe lose. If the Tories think this is going to make Quebecers believe him, they are probably mistaken. The time to speak on behalf of the arts was probably before making selective cuts.

[M.Dancer]

The one thing that does disappoint me in this is the flip flop of film.

Porn is incerdibly profitable when done well and there is no reason why taxpayers should be subsidizing bad porn.

Tell the conservatives...say no to taxpayer funded porn.

[blueblood]

I'll agree on going after Duceppe. I'd rather have federal parties in Quebec even if they are Conservatives. Harper and his party intelligentsia seemed to think this was the perfect time to destroy the Liberals and didn't keep their eye on Duceppe, a consistent performer in election years. He has been been the foe for both Liberals and Tories for years.

Harper was hoping for some economic reforms to appeal to some Quebecers and forgetting that culture was has huge in defending their interests. The crime bill fell flat there as well even if it appealed to Albertans.

Both of us talked about how Duceppe was someone who needed to be dealt with. I knew that Dion was not going to be able to breakthrough in Quebec because of the baggage he had. Harper seemed better able to benefit and the fact that he failed is going to have repercussions.

The backroom boys ran an aggressive campaign but the "not a leader" aspect of it often felt personal. They would have done better on the issues.

There was an attempt to show Harper in a warmer glow but it seemed cynical because it was coming in the campaign and we'd seen months of contempt for the media and for public events that were not tightly controlled. One appearance on Rick Mercer does not make for a warm PM.

Perhaps an appearance at something as simple as the fundraiser for the Humane Society might have given the people the impression of the man rather than the strategist.

I said this summer that it would have been good for Harper to go to the Olympics. Not only was it an important gesture for international relations but it would have shown Harper supporting the athletes and being the public persona of the support we felt for those competing.

The Tories have a lot of combatants but not as many competent stick to your knitting reliable ministers helping the Tory brand. There should have been more Jim Prentices and fewer Jason Kenneys. More Emersons (despite his baggage, an eminently qualified minister) and fewer Bairds.

To be fair, the biggest hit Harper has taken so far is on the economy. His defence of sticking to what he is doing now was just not inspiring confidence as it should have been. It doesn't help that three weeks ago, he said he thought the worst was over.

His government attacks on Ontario showed he probably wasn't one to find a route to cooperation with that province in getting the manufacturing sector off the ropes.

Quite simply, in the last days he needed to be able to say "I feel your pain and our government will try to restore confidence, jobs, investment and savings."

The gripe I have on the tory campaign is that he said to Canadians at christmas the economy was headed for trouble, he was the leader most trusted with the economy at the start of the election, the campaign team got lazy in my opinion and let the opposition run with it instead of keeping the pressure up. He could say he has a plan, and the plan could amount to whatever party strategists come up with.

If I was on the Liberal side, I wouldn't be happy with the NDP surge, that needs to be addressed.

[Jerry J. Fortin]

A partisans factions political policy platform designed for an election campaign should reflect the basic principles found within the group. In the case of the new platform announced by the Conservative Party of Canada, it can be summarized as a lack of substance. Now whether or not that was the intent of the platform, that is the impression it left me.

Details are very important in politics, and this represents the essence of the public face of the ruling party. The platform has no timetable and forms no substantive agenda for Canadians.

[capricorn]

The platform has no timetable and forms no substantive agenda for Canadians.

A bland platform for a bland electorate. I bet it will go over very well on that count alone.

[Slim MacSquinty]

So what your saying is that despite the fact the harper may actually make sense, the platform is not sexy enough, but your going ot vote for another party who's platform may be damaging to the country and full of poorly defined promises.

What exactly is Dion's platform, it started off as the stolen "Green Shift" which by my accounting, and that of a few other economic sources, had about a four billion dollar whole in it and that even some Liberals admitted was a wealth transfer program. Now he's decided to play chicken little on the economy and will have an extremely vague 5 point plan after consulting various undefined experts in the thirty days AFTER the election, I'll call it the "trust me because I care" plan. The Liberals and their supporters have the nerve to call Harper irresponisble with no plan, despite a fair amount of facts to the contrary. I won't even try to get to the bottom of Jack's platform.

What it boils down to is that it appears a good portion of the electorate is less interested in facts and much more interested in feelings, sweet nothings wispered in their ear while their blouse is unbuttoned.

[Jerry J. Fortin]

The harsh reality is that the act of plagarism hurt him badly. The harsh reality is that the position on arts funding hurt him badly. The harsh reality is that this election was called to give him a majority based on flawed polling from Quebec which lead Harper down a path of his own design.

[jdobbin]

If I was on the Liberal side, I wouldn't be happy with the NDP surge, that needs to be addressed.

I agree. The NDP were given a free ride on many issues by the Liberals.

Layton ran a smooth campaign but he should have been taken to task for cancelling tax cuts. He should have been taken to task for cap and trade that will be much more punishing in passing on costs to Canadians. He should have been taken to task for pulling of Afghanistan before our commitment was complete.

Moreover, he got a free pass from the Liberals because Dion didn't want to call an election and pay the price with the electorate. Layton basically could vote no to everything without a price. After the election, if there is a minority, the Liberals should indicate that they might bring down the government if the situation warrants and be willing to do it.