Gun Control Doesn't work...Never did, Never will!

[wulf42]

It's hard for people to own rifles or shotguns? How so?

I will give you an example...i currently own a .303 rifle registered.....and i have a valid pol (possession only license).....in order for me to go and buy another rifle exact same caliber and bolt action...i have to first go and complete a non-restricted gun course cost $50.00...then i have to apply for a PAL (Possession and Acquistion License)... cost $80.00 to own the same type of gun i already have....lol...just more Liberal corruption...a way to scam hard working non threatening Canadians out of their money..while REAL criminals are walking around with fully automatic weapons unchecked because the Government is to busy trying to line their pockets from the money from what they call gun control.... but thats the Liberals for you .......when Harper gets his Majority, the gun control will just quietly go away!

Edited September 25, 2008 by wulf42

[wulf42]

waaaaaa ........waaaaaa ............waaaaaaa

can't you trigger-happy rednecks give it a rest!?!?!?!?!

We will give it a rest for good when Harper makes gun control go bye bye......!

Edited September 25, 2008 by wulf42

[moderateamericain]

No I don't think that and that's the point. How do guns get into the black market, where do they originate?

As I said the same way Drugs do. Either on ships from asia, or through Mexico. And before that from SE asia, Africa, Eastern Europe. The AK47 and its newer versions is the most used weapon in the world.

[M.Dancer]

As I said the same way Drugs do. Either on ships from asia, or through Mexico. And before that from SE asia, Africa, Eastern Europe. The AK47 and its newer versions is the most used weapon in the world.

Interesting. One person says the guns come from the US and another says elsewhere.

AKs are still rather rare here.

[wulf42]

As I said the same way Drugs do. Either on ships from asia, or through Mexico. And before that from SE asia, Africa, Eastern Europe. The AK47 and its newer versions is the most used weapon in the world.

Exactly right!......Canada isn't supposed to have AK-47'S or AK-74'S but yet they still find their way here...........these kind of weapons can never be controlled by any Government!

[Pliny]

The market is a funny thing. The minute tyranny and totalitarianism appear is the minute the market goes underground. It may take awhile for it to become over the table again, such as in the former USSR where vodka had replaced the ruble as the more common currency and the "official" and stagnant economy collapsed.

The market will always supply a demand and legality is just a temporary inconvenience.

I don't think honest Canadians particularly have a demand for guns but there is one and the criminal element always has a big demand. Where the supply originates is a rather irrelevant point, in my opinion, Mr. Dancer.

What we need to do is ban criminals - novel idea?

I don't think the habitual potsmoker is a criminal though, so you should be safe, Dr. Greenthumb. Although I lean toward Conservatism it is only because the Liberals are so politically correct and although they may decriminalize smoking pot they will probably make it a mental health problem where you can claim victim of circumstance and they will be very understanding and even prescribe something for it if you would prefer that over counselling. Liberals are just soooo helpful.

[wulf42]

I don't think honest Canadians particularly have a demand for guns but there is one and the criminal element always has a big demand.

You forgot about all the sportmen .....gun collectors...and target shooters...i am pretty sure they want their guns!

[noahbody]

We will give it a rest for good when Harper makes gun control go bye bye......!

Harper is in favour of mandatory sentencing for gun crime. That means increased gun/crime control. He's not a fan of the long gun registry. The only thing the registry has shown is that criminals don't register their long arms either. Go figure. The registry works out to $200,000 per registered long gun homicide/per year. That's a lot to spend on tracking gun crimes and money that would be better spent on prevention. There are police commissions that have said it is completely useless for the reason that it is unreliable and if you can never assume someone doesn't have a gun. For officers that do, the registry only puts their lives in danger.

[Topaz]

Well, give all the people their guns but TAKE AWAY THE BULLETS!!! Make bullets illegal except to the military and police and only for people really NEEDing the bullets, like the First Nation in the north.

[capricorn]

Well, give all the people their guns but TAKE AWAY THE BULLETS!!!

I think we should also remove the blades from all knives.

[wulf42]

Well, give all the people their guns but TAKE AWAY THE BULLETS!!! Make bullets illegal except to the military and police and only for people really NEEDing the bullets, like the First Nation in the north.

okay and while were at it .......let people have their cars but take the tires off.....or give people their beer bottles but lets take out the beer first.......lol

[Black Dog]

SO what you think smugglers buy guns legally here and they smuggle them into Canada? Do you realize how easy that would be trace back to the owner. One call to the US State department would get that ball rolling. Come on man.

BWAHHAHAHAHAHA! Thanks, man, I needed a larf.

Gun dealers and manufactures make big bucks from the illegal sale of firearms. Lax gun control laws (especially in Southern states) mean it's easy as pie to purchase a gun legitimately and then turn around and sell it on the black market. Google "the Iron Pipeline."

Meanwhile, the power of the gun lobby and Americans' pathological obsession with packing heat means legislators can do sweet FA about it.

[moderateamericain]

BWAHHAHAHAHAHA! Thanks, man, I needed a larf.

Gun dealers and manufactures make big bucks from the illegal sale of firearms. Lax gun control laws (especially in Southern states) mean it's easy as pie to purchase a gun legitimately and then turn around and sell it on the black market. Google "the Iron Pipeline."

Meanwhile, the power of the gun lobby and Americans' pathological obsession with packing heat means legislators can do sweet FA about it.

Your talking about the i95 route from the south to New York city. What does firearms purchased legally in the south and brought up to New York have to do with guns smuggled into Canada? Moreover I checked into it. The iron pipeline has been largely shut down (you fail to mention this whole thing was shut down after 2001 thanks) Also I found out that many (20 percent on one statistic, no idea how accurate that is) of the guns smuggled were actually stolen from small town gun shops.

[Black Dog]

Your talking about the i95 route from the south to New York city. What does firearms purchased legally in the south and brought up to New York have to do with guns smuggled into Canada? Moreover I checked into it. The iron pipeline has been largely shut down (you fail to mention this whole thing was shut down after 2001 thanks)

They don't all stop in New York.

As for being stopped in 2001, why are references to it still turning up after the fact? One from 2003 which identifies the Iron Pipeline as a problem.

One from 2008.

The ATF reports that 85.9% of traced guns used in crime in New York City come from outside the state. In 2007, guns came from Virginia (358), Pennsylvania (305), North Carolina (290), Alabama and Georgia (243 each), and South Carolina (213). Illegal guns originate from these states because of their weak gun laws, but also because of a virtually undetectable mode of available transportation on Interstate 95.

If you have some supporting links, by all means present them.

also I found out that many (20 percent on one statistic, no idea how accurate that is) of the guns smuggled were actually stolen from small town gun shops.

Which means the vast majority are procured through other means. Like legitimate purchases.

Edited September 25, 2008 by Black Dog

[CrazeeEddie]

I will give you an example...i currently own a .303 rifle registered.....and i have a valid pol (possession only license).....in order for me to go and buy another rifle exact same caliber and bolt action...i have to first go and complete a non-restricted gun course cost $50.00...then i have to apply for a PAL (Possession and Acquistion License)... cost $80.00 to own the same type of gun i already have....lol...just more Liberal corruption...a way to scam hard working non threatening Canadians out of their money..while REAL criminals are walking around with fully automatic weapons unchecked because the Government is to busy trying to line their pockets from the money from what they call gun control.... but thats the Liberals for you .......when Harper gets his Majority, the gun control will just quietly go away!

I totally understand where you are coming from. Here in Ontario, I have to pay $125 to get my G1, and then another $75 when I take my G2. On top of that, I pay $37 for my sticker for my car, and $20 for the plates. Meanwhile, there is people out there driving illegally all the time!! They don't pay these fees, so why should I? It just makes it harder for law abiding citizens to drive.....

[CrazeeEddie]

Also, is anyone going to answer the whole discrepancy between why drugs should be banned, but guns shouldn't? I'm really curious...

[guyser]

Also, is anyone going to answer the whole discrepancy between why drugs should be banned, but guns shouldn't? I'm really curious...

Simply put the lobbyists pay to keep one in and other lobbyists pay to keep one out.

You figure out which is which.

[noahbody]

Also, is anyone going to answer the whole discrepancy between why drugs should be banned, but guns shouldn't? I'm really curious...

Some guns are banned. Some drugs are banned.

[wulf42]

I totally understand where you are coming from. Here in Ontario, I have to pay $125 to get my G1, and then another $75 when I take my G2. On top of that, I pay $37 for my sticker for my car, and $20 for the plates. Meanwhile, there is people out there driving illegally all the time!! They don't pay these fees, so why should I? It just makes it harder for law abiding citizens to drive.....

Its all Government corruption.................i guess its the same in every country.!

[AngusThermopyle]

Well, give all the people their guns but TAKE AWAY THE BULLETS!!! Make bullets illegal except to the military and police and only for people really NEEDing the bullets, like the First Nation in the north.

You're a plagarist Topaz, this is an old Chris Rock routine you've adapted that was funny for a moment but no longer.

Shame on you for being an intellectual thief. Is that all you've got?

Pathetic.

[Pliny]

You forgot about all the sportmen .....gun collectors...and target shooters...i am pretty sure they want their guns!

I think I left room in my statement to include them.

[Peter F]

You're a plagarist Topaz, this is an old Chris Rock routine you've adapted that was funny for a moment but no longer.

Shame on you for being an intellectual thief. Is that all you've got?

Pathetic.

No plagarism here. This is original Topaz thought.

The Chris Rock routine suggested making bullets extremely expensive - not illegal.

[Topaz]

You're a plagarist Topaz, this is an old Chris Rock routine you've adapted that was funny for a moment but no longer.

Shame on you for being an intellectual thief. Is that all you've got?

Pathetic.

Sorry Angus but you are WRONG. I've never listen to any of Rocks routines and so you can apologize any time. This not the first time I've mentioned this idea.

[CrazeeEddie]

Some guns are banned. Some drugs are banned.

Ahh yes, but the same people trying to legalize or loosen restrictions on one, are trying to obliterate the other. Yet many of the arguments they use are easily applied to both.

[CrazeeEddie]

Its all Government corruption.................i guess its the same in every country.!

Am I to understand that you agree then?

In fact, should we not also eliminate the useless concept of citizenship as well? In fact, using the logic used for the elimination of gun control, why not eliminate all ID, licensing, citizenship, education, etc.

I mean, criminals find ways to circumvent all of these.