Gun Control Doesn't work...Never did, Never will!

[guyser]

I own nothing that's designed to kill.

Man you keep stepping in it.

A knife is designed to kill. That it is not used that way is the key question.

So, who are you planning to kill?

[wulf42]

Man you keep stepping in it.

A knife is designed to kill. That it is not used that way is the key question.

So, who are you planning to kill?

So true.............everything you can think of can probably kill..................it is the intent of the person ..........gun clubs target shoot never killing anything but a paper target.

[wulf42]

Call me a hick but as a kid not once did we even THINK of pointing a fire arm at a human being. This is not a gun issue it is a media and value issue . These cultureless black kids live in fantacy land thanks to the high priests of debached sensationalism that produced socially destructive music and film - where else did they get the idea to kill each other? Oh yah - that abandoned fend for yourself former slavery depot - Jamacia...might as well ban bricks while you are at it..

Same here i have shot guns since i was 14 and i am 43 now and in all that time i never shot anybody or had any accidents...................those punks you mentioned are not humans but animals........

like you say they don t have culture or respect for any thing...........that is where tougher crime laws are needed but that is another topic!

Edited October 10, 2008 by wulf42

[noahbody]

Amazingly, they have a total handgun ban in Britain and the gangs there are still using guns.

[wulf42]

Amazingly, they have a total handgun ban in Britain and the gangs there are still using guns.

Just more proof that gun control does not work.......it can't!... because gun control is based on legal guns not the Tech 9's and uzi the gangs are getting.

[guyser]

gun clubs target shoot never killing anything but a paper target.

But pleeeeeeeeasssse...think of the poor paper target .

[wulf42]

But pleeeeeeeeasssse...think of the poor paper target .

lmao..............will do, its sacrifice will be remembered!

Edited October 10, 2008 by wulf42

[PoliticalCitizen]

So true.............everything you can think of can probably kill..................it is the intent of the person ..........gun clubs target shoot never killing anything but a paper target.

The knives I own are designed for cutting bread and spreading butter, not drawing blood.

[PoliticalCitizen]

Amazingly, they have a total handgun ban in Britain and the gangs there are still using guns.

You wouldn't be able to get a handgun if HANDGUNS WOULD STOP BEING MANUFACTURED.

Trying to fight something that you allow to be produced is travesty.

[wulf42]

You wouldn't be able to get a handgun if HANDGUNS WOULD STOP BEING MANUFACTURED.

Trying to fight something that you allow to be produced is travesty.

Actually your right on this one!................... if Governments stop the manufacture of guns entirely then yes nobody would have them........but this is not realistic since the USA next door makes more guns than anybody and it is their right to bear arms.....so guns will always be here......thus gun control cannot work.........so since the bad guys will always be armed why shouldn't everyday civilians have them for protection?........its sad that the human race lives by the gun ........but there it is ...its a fact.

[GostHacked]

Your disdain for my question could be explained by your deficiency in abstract thinking.

How's this for abstract. Threaten me with your knife, and I will show you my piece. If you still decide to come at me after knowing I am packing a gun, expect consequences.

All these objects are designed to kill in different ways.

I can kill you with my bare hands, but I choose not to... although a mild choking might work.

If it is legal to own a projectile weapon, then why not a chemical one? Concealed or not... that's details.

Well, consider that nukes/chemical weapons can kill on a much larger scale, not to mention large area contamination/quarentine ect ect. The clean up from a bullets takes a few cops, paramedics and a street sweeper. It might just be why they are termed 'weapons of mass destruction'. And tightly controlled in every country that has them. You are being dishonest in your argument when you talk about concealed wmds in someones pocket. There really is no comparison. Like my comparison to that of a butcher knife of any knife to the gun.

I think I begin to undersand you and other posters of this thread. The idea of owning guns is so deeply embedded into your minds and lifestyles that the simple fact that a rifle has the same purpose as any other weapon ever designed doesn't register.

Guns have been in our existance for some time, sure they are very advanced compared to those guns of old. But the gun was a response to the bow and arrow, or sword perhaps. And those weapons were designed to protect and kill if needed. Criminals will be criminals, and for the most part legitimate gun owners don't go gunnin each other down.

Edited October 11, 2008 by GostHacked

[PoliticalCitizen]

Actually your right on this one!................... if Governments stop the manufacture of guns entirely then yes nobody would have them........but this is not realistic since the USA next door makes more guns than anybody and it is their right to bear arms.....so guns will always be here......thus gun control cannot work.........so since the bad guys will always be armed why shouldn't everyday civilians have them for protection?........its sad that the human race lives by the gun ........but there it is ...its a fact.

I agree with you here.

It is the same as if US would be trying to totally ban marijuana when it's almost legal here

So yes, my initial post about banning all guns would not work in a single country. It would have to be a coordinated action by many governments.

[PoliticalCitizen]

How's this for abstract. Threaten me with your knife, and I will show you my piece. If you still decide to come at me after knowing I am packing a gun, expect consequences.

That's just stupid.

I can kill you with my bare hands, but I choose not to... although a mild choking might work.

Is that a threat?

Well, consider that nukes/chemical weapons can kill on a much larger scale, not to mention large area contamination/quarentine ect ect. The clean up from a bullets takes a few cops, paramedics and a street sweeper. It might just be why they are termed 'weapons of mass destruction'. And tightly controlled in every country that has them. You are being dishonest in your argument when you talk about concealed wmds in someones pocket. There really is no comparison. Like my comparison to that of a butcher knife of any knife to the gun.

How about you FAIL TO UNDERSTAND or CHOOSE NOT TO SEE that all weapons have the same purpose.

Guns have been in our existance for some time, sure they are very advanced compared to those guns of old. But the gun was a response to the bow and arrow, or sword perhaps. And those weapons were designed to protect and kill if needed. Criminals will be criminals, and for the most part legitimate gun owners don't go gunnin each other down.

Legitimate gun owners should go the same way legitimate slave owners did.

There's no place for instruments of murder in tomorrow's society.

[AngusThermopyle]

The knives I own are designed for cutting bread and spreading butter, not drawing blood.

Lets look at this shall we?

A hunting rifle is designed to provide sustenance yet you want to ban it because someone might misuse it, correct?

A knife is designed to cut or pierce, yet even though someone might misuse it to kill you don't want a ban on knives.

Sorry bud, that dog just wont hunt. You're kinda diggin yourself deeper on this one with every post you make.

Oh yes, what about my earlier question? Do you want to ban bows and arrows too? How about slingshots?

[Oleg Bach]

Lets look at this shall we?

A hunting rifle is designed to provide sustenance yet you want to ban it because someone might misuse it, correct?

A knife is designed to cut or pierce, yet even though someone might misuse it to kill you don't want a ban on knives.

Sorry bud, that dog just wont hunt. You're kinda diggin yourself deeper on this one with every post you make.

Oh yes, what about my earlier question? Do you want to ban bows and arrows too? How about slingshots?

Boy you should see the high tech knives the kids are carrying today. Super sharp sawish blades of the finest carbon steel...they can gut you in a second - without the pesky report that a fire arm gives out - I heard a report of some creepy kid who was denied entry last night into a house party - so he began to slash and stab at random...the results was worse than if he had used a glock - and the number of injured (some critically) was MORE that what could be achieved with a gun....so the liberal charismaless girly cowards can scream all they want about gun control but this is not the problem - People are the problem - AND as far as the blacks in the Jane and Finch corridor are concerned - IF Toronto had a mayor with a dynamic manly charismatic nature - he could go out to the area and give the little bastards a speech about manhood and honourable behaviour - but that will not happen - because Mayor Miller is a dweeb - All it would take is to completely verbally humiltiate and shame the young thugs - instead he wants to hug them and ban the gun and let the sneaker wearing ball bouncers have a new basket ball..what a joke.

[AngusThermopyle]

scream all they want about gun control but this is not the problem - People are the problem

This part of your post simply can not be argued with. It is the crux of the problem in a nut shell.

[Oleg Bach]

This part of your post simply can not be argued with. It is the crux of the problem in a nut shell.

It's an old parroting statement. "Guns do not kill people - people kill people" - This is the absolute truth - Find out why these young men are shooting each other...and you will find that it is because they have no damned culture or code of civil behaviour - They are the results of liberal AND conservative attempts to engineer a new and docile society that will serve the rich - and the plan back fired...literally.

[PoliticalCitizen]

A hunting rifle is designed to provide sustenance yet you want to ban it because someone might misuse it, correct?

A hunting rifle is designed to KILL ANIMALS. Unless you're in some remote are and NEED it to hunt for food (not skins) and for protection from wolves and bears it shouldn't be legal to own one.

A knife is designed to cut or pierce, yet even though someone might misuse it to kill you don't want a ban on knives.

There are military knives designed to KILL HUMANS. I don't have any of those in my kitchen. Noone argues banning kitchen knives.

Oh yes, what about my earlier question? Do you want to ban bows and arrows too? How about slingshots?

Actually, that's a very good question.

All of these should be allowed as long as their primary use is not to kill humans or animals.

For those who like shooting sports I think there are many "guns" that do virtually no damage, such as PAINTBALL GUNS.

[PoliticalCitizen]

It's an old parroting statement. "Guns do not kill people - people kill people" - This is the absolute truth - Find out why these young men are shooting each other...and you will find that it is because they have no damned culture or code of civil behaviour - They are the results of liberal AND conservative attempts to engineer a new and docile society that will serve the rich - and the plan back fired...literally.

That again brings up the question as to why chemical, nuclear and biological weapons are not allowed for general population?

Using your logic - they don't kill either. And we trust all people are responsible weapon owners, right?

The statement "Guns don't kill people" is pure bullshit. Get rid of the guns and there will be no more shooting in the streets. The gangs have to beat or cut each other to death, wich usually takes a lot longer and is not as effective. It will also give cops the upper hand as cops will have firearms.

[AngusThermopyle]

There are military knives designed to KILL HUMANS. I don't have any of those in my kitchen. Noone argues banning kitchen knives.

Thats all very nice but you can kill quite easily with a lot of kitchen knives, so we should ban them.

Actually, that's a very good question.

All of these should be allowed as long as their primary use is not to kill humans or animals.

The fact remains that you can kill with these items, so why not ban them? As for hunting, right now I have a nice Duck and Goose in my freezer, as well as some Elk and Venison. Its really good stuff, you should try some sometime. I don't hunt but I know many people who do and I never turn my nose up at some nice game, in fact a friend is going to be bringing me some Pheasent and Partridge once the season opens.

It looks like you just have a very strong prejudice against guns and want them banned no matter what. Thats fine, it isn't going to happen anyway.

[OddSox]

Actually your right on this one!................... if Governments stop the manufacture of guns entirely then yes nobody would have them........but this is not realistic since the USA next door makes more guns than anybody and it is their right to bear arms.....so guns will always be here......thus gun control cannot work.........so since the bad guys will always be armed why shouldn't everyday civilians have them for protection?........its sad that the human race lives by the gun ........but there it is ...its a fact.

Um, any decent machinist can build a gun in an afternoon. This site - http://www.thehomegunsmith.com/ - has plans available for building your very own 9mm submachine gun using "off the shelf British Standard Pipe fittings and hardware products". Many of the illegal guns on the street - eg. Saturday Night Specials - are made by clandestine factories. In fact, these are actually more dangerous than legal guns because of their tendencies to explode and/or discharge unintentionally.

[PoliticalCitizen]

Thats all very nice but you can kill quite easily with a lot of kitchen knives, so we should ban them.

The fact remains that you can kill with these items, so why not ban them? As for hunting, right now I have a nice Duck and Goose in my freezer, as well as some Elk and Venison. Its really good stuff, you should try some sometime. I don't hunt but I know many people who do and I never turn my nose up at some nice game, in fact a friend is going to be bringing me some Pheasent and Partridge once the season opens.

It looks like you just have a very strong prejudice against guns and want them banned no matter what. Thats fine, it isn't going to happen anyway.

Angus, you may be missing the main point of view on which my suggestion to ban all guns is based.

It is the fact that firearms just like anti-personnel grenades, chemical and biological weapons are designed primarily to KILL HUMANS.

You can use a hand grenade as paperweight. You can use a rifle as a crutch. But they would be hardly safe in that role and certainly a poor replacement for the real thing.

I am NOT suggesting a ban or any limitation on things that COULD kill as it could be virtually anything.

[PoliticalCitizen]

Um, any decent machinist can build a gun in an afternoon. This site - http://www.thehomegunsmith.com/ - has plans available for building your very own 9mm submachine gun using "off the shelf British Standard Pipe fittings and hardware products". Many of the illegal guns on the street - eg. Saturday Night Specials - are made by clandestine factories. In fact, these are actually more dangerous than legal guns because of their tendencies to explode and/or discharge unintentionally.

Let's hope these homemade guns blow up the faces of the criminals trying to use them...

[noahbody]

Get rid of the guns and there will be no more shooting in the streets.

By the same token, if you get rid of drugs there will be no more shooting on the streets. Yet drugs are banned and there are plenty of drugs aren't there. The same goes with guns. You'll never be able to get rid of them. But you can put gang members who use them in jail. Gangs don't survive without members. For lifestyle criminals who are sure to re-offend, jail does make sense.

[Oleg Bach]

Let's hope these homemade guns blow up the faces of the criminals trying to use them...

We should make knives with two blades and no handles. It is distressing here in Toronto where the majority of the attacks are now with knives and the injuries are more severe and fatal than a bullet hole...this is not a gun problem _ it is a problem based around fatherlessness - NDP and Liberals over the years have created a system where they want to raise the children though the state - and fathers are in the way of that agenda - so you will see in the wefare system and in the family law system - that fathers are disempowered and literally run off - now we all pay for the lunitic sons raised by the hetrogay liberals and NDP commies - they all believe that the state can raise boys better - but all the anger management in the world will not stop the violence - lefties believe that all war is caused by male anger - so what was the results of their social policy? screaming male anger that reminds me a raging little girls on steriods and cocaine - and apparently all the Ritalin did was create an craving for cocaine...almost all coke users were wards of the state and given kiddy coke - Ritlin - and now they are pissed off.....what do you expect when the natural order is toyed with?