Landed immigrants seek vote

[Griz]

Americans have the same problem dealing with the dumped off slaves in Califorinia and Arizona. Some of these Mexicans now demand under the American constitution that they should have full power to vote in a nation that is not their nation....I can just hear the phone call now.....Fox - " we are rich enough..do you mind if we send our used up slave up to you - they can cut your grass and wash your toilets at minimum cost" George answers "send them up Vince" - no one looked or cared at the social upheavel and internal displacement of the local inhabitants..This was a greedy move - and insensitive to the people. Now - to have voting privledges given to non citizens is absurd. May as well toss our arms up in the air and give up personal and political sovereinty and say - come on in and disrupt the place.................one mafia calls the other and no one notices?

What did you just drink? Opps I forgot it's Friday night so the answer is obvious

[Oleg Bach]

Gobbling dumpling from China - love the lead..Yes I drank. Putting that put down aside for a moment. Look at things as a simplton. Mexico just caught their main administrator taking a half million dollar bribe to let cocaine into America and Canada......hate to break it to you - but those families that have been in operation for 50 years have domination over our system...sorry - drunk or sober - a crook is a crook is a crook.

[Oleg Bach]

Gobbling dumpling from China - love the lead..Yes I drank. Putting that put down aside for a moment. Look at things as a simplton. Mexico just caught their main administrator taking a half million dollar bribe to let cocaine into America and Canada......hate to break it to you - but those families that have been in operation for 50 years have domination over our system...sorry - drunk or sober - a crook is a crook is a crook.

This seems to be part of the Pan American Union plan. Sound real noble on the surface as if it is an agenda that will improve the lives of Mexicans, Canadians and Americans...you know the common person....mean while in the back room - those seeking the implementation of this plan - don't give a damn about the people - It's old fashioned imperal expansionizm...and all the players pushing this are gangsters -----------ooooh did I say that?

[AngusThermopyle]

What did you just drink? Opps I forgot it's Friday night so the answer is obvious

Let me take a wild guess here. Probably the same thing you appear to be drinking every time you make yet another worthless post.

[Oleg Bach]

Let me take a wild guess here. Probably the same thing you appear to be drinking every time you make yet another worthless post.

Worthless? Acedemic ramblings that solve nothing are valueless...If I am worthless - then explain that to the moderator that there is a worthless person who offers absolutely nothing to the forum - who clutters up the place with useless rants...get rid of this worthless dead wood - and let you continue to pour your highly institutional glass of water into one glass and debated back into the empty glass - back and forth with no solutions...but again if acedemics and professors found solutions to problems there would be nothing left for the professors to continue to uselessly profess - and they would be out of a job - personal job creation is what is truely worthless.

[Oleg Bach]

Let me take a wild guess here. Probably the same thing you appear to be drinking every time you make yet another worthless post.

Tomorrow my good man I will wake up sober and you will wake up the same..didn't some worthless drunk say something like that as he was saving the British Empire?

[Oleg Bach]

Tomorrow my good man I will wake up sober and you will wake up the same..didn't some worthless drunk say something like that as he was saving the British Empire?

So what's with making me a headliner today? Is it to credit or discredit? Great work all of you - Canada Offically does not have a government...how the heck did that happen...which I was CEO of this nation - I would be firing the the sacred middle management left right and centre. Okay, I will admit it. There is no trust in me for acedemics, intellectuals (Iggy included) or wanna be famous people...I think I will just mass delete my computer..if I had one. In the long run all will be well - but apparently as is written in the old books "I will send them a strong dellusion" - looks like on the municipal level - provincal and federal the dellusion has set in fast like a thriving plant in the soil of the delluded. The hardest thing and the most lonely thing I have ever done is face the truth, It is alienating - but eventually we all adjust - give it a try if you can handle it - deception does not seem to be working anymore - thank you all.

[Oleg Bach]

I am a landed immigrant - I landed in Quebec and jumped ship from the SS Samaria - I believe I was less than a year old...I was born in England and babtized at the Russian Orthodox church in EXILE. After all this time in the colonial exile in Canada I learned one thing - blind ruthless ambition has no place in politics, look what it did to the Americans...the other thing I learned by breathing the air - my first breath on the Isle of Angels - Great Britain was the principle of service. The first servant or Prime Minister must serve all. The last thing I learned if you want to lead is you must truely love the people. If you do not love none will follow - and without followers there is and can never be leadership.

[Oleg Bach]

What do I think of being a landed immigrant to Canada? If I would have known what I know now, I would have pulled up my diapers and started toddling south. I love this nation and am thankful to it...but it is a closed shop - I would have thrived in AMERICA. Time has passed and even America has changed so much of that idea - so what's it really like to be a Canadian? It's like this - spending most of your life with the wrong woman - one that never really cared to begin with and one that never wanted you to have success because she knew you would leave her. We all get used to our relationship with a nation...and we all get comfortable and getting up and going is far from your mind...so we just resign our selves to be buried in Canadian soil...Should have left you and that woman 25 years ago.

[Oleg Bach]

Evidently the moderator has given me a mini blog...nice...so what today? YES - Hope..which is faith and confidence. And a real definition of power. RESPECT - Is the transphere of power..it's vibratory - and contractual. I empower you and you empower me - and then back in forth in a devine vacilation that is natural and lawful.

Today we have all lost faith - and as we lose confidence in ourselves - we lose confidence in our abiltiy to survive well. Some say they want to hear the truth from our dear Prime Minister - that they want him to be honest and blurt out utterances of gloom and doom. It is about the truth - but the truth is what you make it.. Scripturally speaking - Pontius Pilate who was an associate and possivble friend of Jesus the Christ asked ones simple question of the great teacher "What is truth?" - What is real and what is reality? He would have never asked this question if he knew the answer...Pontius as a seniour bureaucrat overseeing the out post of the kingdom of Judea - was so emersed in the illusion that was Roman statehood that he suffered dellusions.

I suggest that we all in the holy day season - reflect on what our ancient doctrines were based on....CONFIDENCE - HOPE - FAITH...The world is what we make it - so please no projections of gloom and doom - we will be fine as swim though this chaotic vortex - keep your eye on the other side and embrace reality - Christianity was the notion over coming the natural and being super ----------super natural - the extension and next level of consciousness - we can do it - All will be well and they only duty we have as human beings to lift ourselves out of this recession - is the one duty - Be happy! Keep it simple. Let the Canadian leaf - be for the healing of the nations - lets set an example - our time has come!

[Griz]

Evidently the moderator has given me a mini blog...nice...so what today? YES - Hope..which is faith and confidence. And a real definition of power. RESPECT - Is the transphere of power..it's vibratory - and contractual. I empower you and you empower me - and then back in forth in a devine vacilation that is natural and lawful.

Today we have all lost faith - and as we lose confidence in ourselves - we lose confidence in our abiltiy to survive well. Some say they want to hear the truth from our dear Prime Minister - that they want him to be honest and blurt out utterances of gloom and doom. It is about the truth - but the truth is what you make it.. Scripturally speaking - Pontius Pilate who was an associate and possivble friend of Jesus the Christ asked ones simple question of the great teacher "What is truth?" - What is real and what is reality? He would have never asked this question if he knew the answer...Pontius as a seniour bureaucrat overseeing the out post of the kingdom of Judea - was so emersed in the illusion that was Roman statehood that he suffered dellusions.

I suggest that we all in the holy day season - reflect on what our ancient doctrines were based on....CONFIDENCE - HOPE - FAITH...The world is what we make it - so please no projections of gloom and doom - we will be fine as swim though this chaotic vortex - keep your eye on the other side and embrace reality - Christianity was the notion over coming the natural and being super ----------super natural - the extension and next level of consciousness - we can do it - All will be well and they only duty we have as human beings to lift ourselves out of this recession - is the one duty - Be happy! Keep it simple. Let the Canadian leaf - be for the healing of the nations - lets set an example - our time has come!

Ship all the wackos back to Europe

[AngusThermopyle]

Worthless? Acedemic ramblings that solve nothing are valueless...If I am worthless

Oleg, wake up!

That post was adrressed to Griz, not you. Wake up Oleg!

[Griz]

Oleg, wake up!

That post was adrressed to Griz, not you. Wake up Oleg!

Or, pour yourself another vodka there Oleg n Angus--it is xmas you know

[AngusThermopyle]

Or, pour yourself another vodka there Oleg n Angus--it is xmas you know

Thank you Griz, a belated but nontheless welcome Christmas wish, I don't drink hard liquour but I will certainly raise a glass or two to you.

[Wilber]

How are you assured that citizenship confers the ability to make an informed vote? Perhaps a more viable test of suitability to vote is not citizenship, but a test of the level of ability to make an informed vote. Even a non-citizen resident can be informed enough in a short period of time if they are motivated. Even a long-time citizen can be ill-informed.

It's called a citizenship test. Every immigrant has to take one to become a citizen. IMO all Canadian citizens should have to take such a test before they can vote, immigrant or native born.

[Renegade]

It's called a citizenship test. Every immigrant has to take one to become a citizen. IMO all Canadian citizens should have to take such a test before they can vote, immigrant or native born.

Sure, let's test everyone but since issues change constantly shouldn't people need to retake testing to proove that they are current? Also, why bother then with a 3-year residency requrement, as soon as anyone pass the test they can become a citizen.

Would you strip someone from citizenship because they fail the test?

The problem with equating a citizenship test with a voting test is that citizenship involves a lot more obligations than just voting.

[85RZ500]

Hey Chuck, I,m with you on both counts.

Not a Canadian citizen, no vote.

Cancel all dual-citizenships.

Further. if you want to hold an elected office you have to have uninterupted residence here for say, a minimum of 10 years.

You're either a Canadian or not, I have no time for Canadians of Convenience.

[ZenOps]

I like how people champion democracy - until they are no longer on the winning side.

What would a world with democracy look like? China and India voting themselves into leadership every time.

I don't think Canadians are ready for that. When people champion democracy - they better be careful because they just might get it. Canada is fine the way it is, Constitutional Monarchy where the Prime Minister runs like a bitch to the Queen to retain his power.

[Wilber]

Sure, let's test everyone but since issues change constantly shouldn't people need to retake testing to proove that they are current? Also, why bother then with a 3-year residency requrement, as soon as anyone pass the test they can become a citizen.

Would you strip someone from citizenship because they fail the test?

The problem with equating a citizenship test with a voting test is that citizenship involves a lot more obligations than just voting.

No I don't think retesting should be required but I think one should demonstrate some kind of basic knowledge before they are granted citizenship.

Yes it does require more obligations than just voting yet we give it less importance than a drivers license when it comes to granting it.

[ZenOps]

That landed immigrants actually want the vote in Canada shows how uninformed they are...

"This is Canada, we don't pledge allegiance to the flag. You bow down and pledge your allegiance to the Queen."

Edited January 5, 2010 by ZenOps

[William Ashley]

Why not just let citizens of other countries vote too? There's a few Americans on this forum that keep up with Canadian politics, perhaps we could give jbg a vote or something.

This is the way it use to work with commonwealth citizenship. Eg.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_citizen

notice a right to vote is one of those rights...

"the right, unless otherwise disqualified, to vote in all elections (i.e., parliamentary, local and European [1] elections);

the right, unless otherwise disqualified, to stand for election to the British House of Commons;

the right, if a qualifying peer or bishop, to sit in the House of Lords; and

eligibility to hold public office (e.g., as a judge, magistrate, minister, police constable, member of the armed forces, etc.).

"

As far as I'm aware, unless otherwise disqualified Canadians can vote in British Elections or even stand for office.

"In Canada, any person 18 years of age or older may stand for election to public office. However, to be appointed to the Senate, one must be at least 30 years of age, must possess land worth at least $4,000 in the province for which he or she is appointed, and must own real and personal property worth at least $4,000, above his or her debts and liabilities. These restrictions were most recently enforced in 1997."

What is a person? It is a constitutional right.

Every citizen of Canada has the right to vote in an election of members of the House of Commons or of a legislative assembly and to be qualified for membership therein

It would depend on the letters patent articles incorporation of the municipality. However they would not be able to vote in provincial or federal elections.

Edited January 6, 2010 by William Ashley

[wyly]

It's called a citizenship test. Every immigrant has to take one to become a citizen. IMO all Canadian citizens should have to take such a test before they can vote, immigrant or native born.

absolutely, immigrants generally take more responsibility in being Canadian than native born Canadians...

municipal and provincial elections, landed immigrants should be allowed to vote, the politics are internal they pay taxes and contribute to society, give'm the vote ...federally? no there are international issues...

[PIK]

Why don't we just hand over the country to the UN to run. Since we canadians really don't have much say in what goes on in this country ,since the minority always seems to gets it's way. It seems white english speaking males are on the bottem of the totem pole in this country.

[M.Dancer]

I am all for immigrants voting in all levels of goivernment. Once they become citizens that is.

[Mr.Canada]

It's irresponsible to allow citizens of a forgien land to come here and decide the outcome of our elections. I'd like to see no vote for anyone born outside of Canada regardless of citizenship but this will do.

No citizenship = no vote.

Edited February 25, 2010 by Mr.Canada