Real reason Harper wants election now

[DrGreenthumb]

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/080902/...l/tories_in_out

OTTAWA - Elections Canada has served notice it plans to introduce potentially damning information from an investigation of 2006 Conservative election advertising into a court case over the affair.

With Prime Minister Stephen Harper poised to call another election, the development adds a new dimension to a Federal Court court action that has been dragging on for more than a year.

But court documents also reveal the Conservatives have successfully delayed their final argument in the court case until Monday when the campaign for the next election is expected to begin.

The timing could benefit the Tories, since the delay means a responding final argument from Elections Canada will likely not be entered in the court file until after the anticipated election date of Oct. 14., opposition MPs say.

The lawyer for Elections Canada, Barbara McIsaac, wrote a court official last week to give notice she intends to introduce an Elections Canada affidavit and background information that convinced a judge to authorize a warrant to search Tory headquarters last April.

The affidavit, which includes allegations the Conservatives shifted ad expenses to election candidates to skirt the party's $18.3-million campaign expense limit for the 2006 election, has up to now not been entered as evidence in the court case.

Opposition MPs say the strategy may bolster Election Canada's side in the court case, but expressed surprise at the delay in final arguments with another election approaching.

Michel Decary, the lawyer for Conservative campaign agents who took Elections Canada to Federal Court over the affair, asked for the delay because a fellow lawyer working on the case is recovering from surgery.

A court official granted the extension over McIsaac's objections.

Liberal MP Dominic LeBlanc accused the Conservatives of using the tactic in an attempt to delay Elections Canada's final arguments until after the election.

The Conservatives were scheduled to submit their final briefs last Friday, with Elections Canada originally scheduled to respond by Oct. 11. That date has been delayed to Oct. 21.

"It's an attempt by the Conservatives to manipulate the court system to serve their own ends," said LeBlanc.

New Democrat MP Pat Martin also accused the Tories of sabotaging the Elections Canada court filing.

"The Conservatives have manipulated the court dates just like they manipulated the election date, so the public will only hear their side of the story before we go to the polls," said Martin.

The case involves the so-called Tory "in-and-out" scheme, specifically $1.3 million worth of spending on radio and television advertising for the 2006 vote that Elections Canada refused to recognize as legitimate expenses for 67 Conservative candidates.

The electoral agency says the expenses should have been attributed to the party's national campaign, which would have brought the Tories $1.1 million over their legal spending limit.

The federal elections commissioner launched an investigation into the spending in May last year. The Conservatives took Elections Canada to court in an attempt to force the agency to recognize the expenses and reimburse candidates for part of the spending.

[Topaz]

I think if Canadians watched the ethnics committee hearings and what the witnesses had to say, you would then get the idea the Cons conned the taxpayers out of 1.2 MI in the last election. This election they are conning us of out 300 Mil. because they want Canadians to forget how they broke so many rules and laws.

[Alta4ever]

I think if Canadians watched the ethnics committee hearings and what the witnesses had to say, you would then get the idea the Cons conned the taxpayers out of 1.2 MI in the last election. This election they are conning us of out 300 Mil. because they want Canadians to forget how they broke so many rules and laws.

I watched that gong show funny no witnesses from the CPC were admitted. When one witness started to contradict the will of the committee he was quickly dismissed. That committee exactly why we need an election, they aren't working.

Besides those points since when can a committee be judge, prosicution, and jury.

You have also failed to mention both the liberals and ndp advertising that extended outside of the intended riding, which under the same interpritation would be regional advertising. But I know you will just ignore/deny that along with ever other leftist out their.

[jdobbin]

I watched that gong show funny no witnesses from the CPC were admitted. When one witness started to contradict the will of the committee he was quickly dismissed. That committee exactly why we need an election, they aren't working.

Sounds like something out of the 200 page manual the Tories produced to make Parliament dysfunctional.

[Ontario Loyalist]

We have to remember that the Cons embody the worst of the extreme right wing of Prairie politics with the hardcore neocon elements of the Harris/Eves reign of error... Everybody in Ontario knows what the PCs did to Ontario, leaving the province with a huge deficit when they were finally given the boot.

And let us not forget Mulroney and what his government did to Canada and what price they paid. Sadly some Canadians have fallen for the Cons thinking that because they consist mostly of ex CA/Reform members that they will somehow be different. The Liberals may not win this election, but Con governments tend to last only 6-8 years before the Liberals revive themselves and govern for twice as long...

[Alta4ever]

We have to remember that the Cons embody the worst of the extreme right wing of Prairie politics with the hardcore neocon elements of the Harris/Eves reign of error... Everybody in Ontario knows what the PCs did to Ontario, leaving the province with a huge deficit when they were finally given the boot.

And let us not forget Mulroney and what his government did to Canada and what price they paid. Sadly some Canadians have fallen for the Cons thinking that because they consist mostly of ex CA/Reform members that they will somehow be different. The Liberals may not win this election, but Con governments tend to last only 6-8 years before the Liberals revive themselves and govern for twice as long...

Thank you for the compliment the west does embody the common sense conservative approach to government that is required to create good government. Unlike the forty years of bad policy, and desruction of any purely Canadian idenity the liberals left us with.

[Argus]

I think if Canadians watched the ethnics committee hearings and what the witnesses had to say, you would then get the idea the Cons conned the taxpayers out of 1.2 MI in the last election.

Only if they were idiots - which, come to think of it, pretty neatly sums up most Liberal supporters.

The Tories never got any of that money, btw, but I'm not surprised you were unaware of that. Facts require at least the ability to read a newspaper story all the way through and most Liberals just grow puzzled there are no pictures and move on shortly after the headline.

[Argus]

We have to remember that the Cons embody the worst of the extreme right wing of Prairie politics with the hardcore neocon elements of the Harris/Eves reign of error... Everybody in Ontario knows what the PCs did to Ontario, leaving the province with a huge deficit when they were finally given the boot.

It was actually a small deficit which the Liberals lied about to make it seem higher, and then repeatedly raised spending in order to keep us in deficits - while blaming the Tories.

The fact no Liberal politician seems able to recite more than his name without lying through his teeth is why so many of us, the ones who have some respect for integrity, won't even consider voting Liberal.

[guyser]

Speaking of idiots.....the whole cake is yours.

Only if they were idiots - which, come to think of it, pretty neatly sums up most Liberal supporters.

.......because only an idiot would say.....

ARGUS

So I'm thinking, what exactly is wrong with slavery anyway? Oh, I'm not talking about old fashioned slavery - but the modern, more humane kind. We'll provide our slaves with comfortable dorm rooms, and they can get a good day's work in picking cotton - or er, picking apples, as the case may be. We can tag them with electronic collars so they can't run away. Some of the more clever ones can work indoors as servants, or in big factories doing those mindless little jobs assembly work requires.

And I know you're thinking - what if they refuse to work. But you know, I've been surfing around the internet, and whipping isn't such a terrible thing. Some people pay to be whipped! So I think a little flogging or so would get our recalcitrant slaves back into the trees picking those apples, some of them doing constructive work for the first time in their lives and contributing to the economy. Hell, we could even take a lot of the lower level criminal types out of prison, especially the repeaters, and turn them into slaves. Their life spans would probably be greatly increased that way.

All in all, I don't know why no party has come up with this yet. Slavery would be an economic boon to Canada and help all the rest of us with reduced taxation.

Now THAT is an idiot talking. Too funny.

**emphasis mine***

"All in all I dont know why no party has come up with this yet" Gold jerry gold. mikedavid your half brother?

[White Doors]

We have to remember that the Cons embody the worst of the extreme right wing of Prairie politics with the hardcore neocon elements of the Harris/Eves reign of error... Everybody in Ontario knows what the PCs did to Ontario, leaving the province with a huge deficit when they were finally given the boot.

And let us not forget Mulroney and what his government did to Canada and what price they paid. Sadly some Canadians have fallen for the Cons thinking that because they consist mostly of ex CA/Reform members that they will somehow be different. The Liberals may not win this election, but Con governments tend to last only 6-8 years before the Liberals revive themselves and govern for twice as long...

I'm thinking we may have a Conservative Majority this time. I hope anyways.

[White Doors]

you ever heard of the term satire?

manoman...

[guyser]

you ever heard of the term satire?

manoman...

If directed at me, yes I do.

Point?

[Ontario Loyalist]

I'm thinking we may have a Conservative Majority this time. I hope anyways.

Seems to be taking his time getting around to calling it... just prolonging his last days as PM, I suppose...

[White Doors]

If directed at me, yes I do.

Point?

Argus' slavery post was satire.

[White Doors]

Seems to be taking his time getting around to calling it... just prolonging his last days as PM, I suppose...

I'm thinking I;m closer to beng correct than you are, but we will see. That's what makes elections so fun.

[guyser]

Argus' slavery post was satire.

It was?

Be my guest and go read the thread, Its in political philosophy.

[Cameron]

I will be working for our local candidate again. I hope for a CPC majority as well.

[M.Dancer]

It was?

Be my guest and go read the thread, Its in political philosophy.

I thought the thead was funny

[Topaz]

I will be working for our local candidate again. I hope for a CPC majority as well.

Each of us to our own but I'll voted against Harper and I will again. The new head of the CAW said in Windsor Ont. a couple days ago that the Con. rep. probably wouldn`t get back in, in the next election because Feds wouldn`t help out the Ford plant like the provincial govt had. Well surprised surprised instead of giving the 30 Mil the province had chip in, the Feds went all the way up to 80 MIl!!!!!

[guyser]

I thought the thead was funny

Funny, ok , the first post.... I was of the same opinion, but getting further in (talking about his "friend") he was serious.

[Ontario Loyalist]

I'm thinking I;m closer to beng correct than you are, but we will see. That's what makes elections so fun.

Yeah, we'll see. Four years of Conservative rule should just about put an end to Canada. I wonder which province will be the first to be handed over to the Americans? Alberta, I suppose.

[Topaz]

I don`t know how any Con supporter could vote for this party when they have broken more rules and laws in the 2 years than the Libs have in the 13 they were in!!!

[Smallc]

Yeah, we'll see. Four years of Conservative rule should just about put an end to Canada. I wonder which province will be the first to be handed over to the Americans? Alberta, I suppose.

Why would you even say that? According to recent polls (around Canada Day), Canadians are more proud than ever of their country. Conservatives love this country just as much as Liberals.

[Moonbox]

Yeah, we'll see. Four years of Conservative rule should just about put an end to Canada. I wonder which province will be the first to be handed over to the Americans? Alberta, I suppose.

Yep. Harper is Darth Vader in disguise. Another four years of Conservative rule will have you shackled in chains digging for oil with your bare hands...because that's where Canada is headed with all the evil tyrannical laws Harper has passed at the House of Commons....while Dion twiddled his thumbs....

While we're on the topic of completely made up fantasies with no real rational thought behind them, I'll come up with one of my own.

Here goes:

One day, instead of preaching his ignorant, unsupported and completely far out political dogma, OntarioLoyalist will stop angrily pounding on his keyboard long enough to actually think about what he's typing. If we're lucky, he may even one day come around with a rational, well though-out and well-supported argument.

I think it's pretty fair to say that you're not going to be convincing ANYONE of your point of view if all you're going to do is repeat yourself like a broken record and stick your fingers in your ears.

[Moonbox]

I don`t know how any Con supporter could vote for this party when they have broken more rules and laws in the 2 years than the Libs have in the 13 they were in!!!

Hey Topaz. If you're going to say something like this back it up. Until you can actually look at it without a 100% bias (like you're doing now), and break down to us which laws have actually been broken, you're not really convincing anyone of anything.

This is about as intelligent as me saying, "The Liberals were responsible for killing more babies/puppies/kittens under Jean Chretien than any other government in the last 100 years."

It's easy to just make stuff up.