Alta4ever Posted August 20, 2008 Report Posted August 20, 2008 Absolutely. Canada has at least a third again as many people now as we did when the CAF was double, if not triple its present size, and we managed to afford it back then. And the army is the cheapest of the services to build up. You don't need multi-billion dollar equipment purchases for planes and ships. Just buy some APCs and more trucks and cars and fill out the three main regiments we have. None of them is anywhere close to fully manned. I'd even go so far as to suggest we ought to have a fourth or fifth. We should double the number of infantry troops we have. We are in trouble when it is only possible mobile 2500 troops. This country is so use to living under the American defense umbrella that we have to cede all defense decisions to the Americans. We are unable to live up to NATO obligations, we are in trouble. The funniest thing is that the left and some of the moderate right love to hammer the Americans, but are unable to grasp the concept that they hate the very people that are providing the security behind their freedoms, lord knows we are now unable to do it for ourselves. For those of you out their who don't mind American foreign policy/defense policy keep voting liberal because with no fieldable military we will forever remain under there thumbs. We will forever have to suck up to them to retain a some boarder security. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Smallc Posted August 20, 2008 Report Posted August 20, 2008 We are in trouble when it is only possible mobile 2500 troops. This country is so use to living under the American defense umbrella that we have to cede all defense decisions to the Americans. We are unable to live up to NATO obligations, we are in trouble. The funniest thing is that the left and some of the moderate right love to hammer the Americans, but are unable to grasp the concept that they hate the very people that are providing the security behind their freedoms, lord knows we are now unable to do it for ourselves. For those of you out their who don't mind American foreign policy/defense policy keep voting liberal because with no fieldable military we will forever remain under there thumbs. We will forever have to suck up to them to retain a some boarder security. We could increase the number of troops in the field, but the idea is to not exhaust the military. Right now American soldiers are on 15 month (down from 18) tours of duty. We could triple our troop count in the field if we did that. As we speak though, the Canadian forces are being expanded to around 70 - 75000 with a bigger reserve force to back it. Work is being done. As for the troop count in Afghanistan, its being increased as the helicopters are brought in. There are also other small groups of Canadian soldiers deployed abroad. We are in other places besides Afghanistan and we do our part around the world. Quote
Alta4ever Posted August 21, 2008 Report Posted August 21, 2008 We could increase the number of troops in the field, but the idea is to not exhaust the military. Right now American soldiers are on 15 month (down from 18) tours of duty. We could triple our troop count in the field if we did that. As we speak though, the Canadian forces are being expanded to around 70 - 75000 with a bigger reserve force to back it. Work is being done. As for the troop count in Afghanistan, its being increased as the helicopters are brought in. There are also other small groups of Canadian soldiers deployed abroad. We are in other places besides Afghanistan and we do our part around the world. We Can't increase the number of troops in the feild thats the problem when I say feild 2500 troops, I mean that we can only logistically support that many, besides even if we called up reserves we would soon exhaust them as they would all be going on back to back rotations, which many are doing now. The problem is recruitment numbers, few seem to want to stand up and serve our country, they are just happy being entitled to their entitlements. Thank you liberals for years of social engineering and ignoring our proud military history, we are now reaping what you sewed. We really have no way of securing our nothern boarders, we don't have the manpower. Lefties I hope you want to become an America protectorate because we are well on our way, thank you. :angry: Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Smallc Posted August 21, 2008 Report Posted August 21, 2008 We Can't increase the number of troops in the feild thats the problem when I say feild 2500 troops, I mean that we can only logistically support that many, besides even if we called up reserves we would soon exhaust them as they would all be going on back to back rotations, which many are doing now. The problem is recruitment numbers, few seem to want to stand up and serve our country, they are just happy being entitled to their entitlements. Thank you liberals for years of social engineering and ignoring our proud military history, we are now reaping what you sewed. We really have no way of securing our nothern boarders, we don't have the manpower.Lefties I hope you want to become an America protectorate because we are well on our way, thank you. :angry: Well, I guess we can actually support 2700, as that is what will soon be on the ground. Its improving though. The military is getting better equipped and the number of soldiers are being increased. Quote
Alta4ever Posted August 21, 2008 Report Posted August 21, 2008 Well, I guess we can actually support 2700, as that is what will soon be on the ground. Its improving though. The military is getting better equipped and the number of soldiers are being increased. Better equiped is good, but recruitment is the problem, we might increase quota, but that doesn't mean the call will be met. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Smallc Posted August 21, 2008 Report Posted August 21, 2008 Better equiped is good, but recruitment is the problem, we might increase quota, but that doesn't mean the call will be met. It can't hurt to try. Quote
Alta4ever Posted August 21, 2008 Report Posted August 21, 2008 It can't hurt to try. I think we have been their I have seen a lot of ads over the past couple of years. We need to start teaching real Canadian history in schools again, including the presigous history of our armed forces. Everyone knows we took vimy ridge but not why or what it really ment. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Smallc Posted August 21, 2008 Report Posted August 21, 2008 I think we have been their I have seen a lot of ads over the past couple of years. We need to start teaching real Canadian history in schools again, including the presigous history of our armed forces. Everyone knows we took vimy ridge but not why or what it really ment. History is being taught in our schools. The things is, many people aren't listening. Quote
White Doors Posted August 21, 2008 Report Posted August 21, 2008 History is being taught in our schools. The things is, many people aren't listening. In most provinces you can graduate high school without taking a single history course. Can't avoid 'social studies' though! Quote Those Dern Rednecks done outfoxed the left wing again.~blueblood~
Argus Posted August 21, 2008 Author Report Posted August 21, 2008 We could increase the number of troops in the field, but the idea is to not exhaust the military. Right now American soldiers are on 15 month (down from 18) tours of duty. We could triple our troop count in the field if we did that Actually, does anyone know what the minimum time duration is between tours? My impression is that the infantry regiments are being rotated in and out of Afghanistan and other foreign duties faster than that. Needless to say, this causes retention problems. People want to spend some time with family. As we speak though, the Canadian forces are being expanded to around 70 - 75000 with a bigger reserve force to back it. Work is being done. The Tories announced a modest plan to expand by a few thousand, I think, but I haven't heard that much progress has been made on that. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 21, 2008 Author Report Posted August 21, 2008 Better equiped is good, but recruitment is the problem, we might increase quota, but that doesn't mean the call will be met. Again, my impression is that actual recruitment is not a big problem. The real problem is the military is almost completely incompetent when it comes to scheduling training. After a recruit is accepted he then goes home and waits around for months and months, sometimes up to a year, before the military can schedule any kind of training for them. A lot of them find other work in the meantime and when the military finally comes calling they're told to take a hike. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Army Guy Posted August 21, 2008 Report Posted August 21, 2008 Actually, does anyone know what the minimum time duration is between tours? My impression is that the infantry regiments are being rotated in and out of Afghanistan and other foreign duties faster than that. Needless to say, this causes retention problems. People want to spend some time with family. The minimum time requirement for the CF is 1 year between any out of country tour, there are exceptions , which requires a waiver....But i have seen plenty of guys with 6 months on the ground with thier families and then back on tour.... As far as tripling our efforts in Afgan with longer tours....no, can't be done, might be able to double it and have a full brigade, but the burn out time will be to much....one brigade in operations, One brigade in training ,one just coming home....although we could do that for a year, sustaining it would not be pretty... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Argus Posted September 19, 2008 Author Report Posted September 19, 2008 Canada boosts frontier troops? Canada is stepping up its military alertness along its northern frontier in response to Russia's "testing" of its boundaries and recent Arctic grab, the prime minister said Friday. "We are concerned about not just Russia's claims through the international process, but Russia's testing of Canadian airspace and other indications ... (of) some desire to work outside of the international framework," said Prime Minister Stephen Harper. Anyone know anything about this, and exactly what it might mean? Sending more troops to the arctic? How many and where? Russian president Medveded was quote last week as saying Russia would soon stake out its "borders" in the Arctic and called it a national calling to protect Russia's arctic and exploit its resources. Nobody else agrees with what the Russian's have claimed is theirs but then the Russians have already shown they don't necessarily care what anyone thinks and that, to them, might makes right. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Oleg Bach Posted September 19, 2008 Report Posted September 19, 2008 America is our best friend right? America has our best interests at heart - right? America is not a control freak and respects us totally RIGHT! So why do we need a bigger military? What we need is a more up to date military, a stronger and more powerful one....so if your best neighbor has an overload of really good tools and you need some of those tools to do a job - your neighbor if they really really love you will not just lend you the tools but will give you the tools - if they really really like and respect you..so what we need is not more conventional weaponry or more man power but less weapons - and a retrained military - AMERICA SHOULD GIVE US NUKES AND PROBLEM SOLVED.. Quote
PoliticalCitizen Posted September 19, 2008 Report Posted September 19, 2008 If the Russians decide they're just going to take what they want, what exactly do we do? Oh no The Russians are coming... THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING !!! Quote You are what you do.
Argus Posted September 19, 2008 Author Report Posted September 19, 2008 Oh no The Russians are coming... THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING !!! Given you ARE a Russian, and a defender of Russian argression and violence, I don't find it in the least surprising that you would want to suggest that Russia is no threat at all to Canada. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Oleg Bach Posted September 19, 2008 Report Posted September 19, 2008 Oh no The Russians are coming... THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING !!! America takes exactly what they want when they want - Iraq - Panama - Cuba is a private American estate for example under the guise of some boycotted socialist dictatorship - big joke - if Cuba was really as it seems then no way in hell could America set up a private prison camp on the island - does no one find that odd and illogical? And I would not worry about Russia at this point - they destroyed their genetic brain pool in the last 80 years - all that is left are pea brained kick boxing hooligans like Putin...why worry about men of limited talent and intelligence - you can bribe those types. To control so called Russia at this point just means sending a few gifts privately to their so-called leaders - maybe a case of good booze? - that should pacify the KGB mafia turned buisness elite and second rate polititians. Quote
PoliticalCitizen Posted September 19, 2008 Report Posted September 19, 2008 Given you ARE a Russian, and a defender of Russian argression and violence, I don't find it in the least surprising that you would want to suggest that Russia is no threat at all to Canada. My personal opinion would be that dividing the North should be easy - just use the meridians as dividers and follow them from your borders up to the pole. Now I belive the division of Antarctica could be really fun - there's actuall land there under the ice... and who knows what's under the land (oil, gas, etc...) Quote You are what you do.
Oleg Bach Posted September 19, 2008 Report Posted September 19, 2008 My personal opinion would be that dividing the North should be easy - just use the meridians as dividers and follow them from your borders up to the pole.Now I belive the division of Antarctica could be really fun - there's actuall land there under the ice... and who knows what's under the land (oil, gas, etc...) Quote
Oleg Bach Posted September 19, 2008 Report Posted September 19, 2008 Sorry about the glitch - My parents were both out of Russia and what I am is a product of British rule in Canada - having said that, what my mentality is - is one that culturally stems from the late 1800s in Russia...religiously, politically and socially - I am a freak to most new Russian arrivals - and what Russia is now is a gutted and pilaged society..where all that was good and noble has been removed - I often wonder who finance the Russian Revolution and well as the one in China? - Commies do not have money ... Point being - Russia is a destroyed culture - and I personally have nothing in common with Russians - I still can speak the language to a limited degree - but they are different - secularism combined with crimminality has not made for a civlized nation - You get rid of God and you get rid of goodness and noble behaviour - Guess I am a royalist.. Quote
PoliticalCitizen Posted September 19, 2008 Report Posted September 19, 2008 Sorry about the glitch - My parents were both out of Russia and what I am is a product of British rule in Canada - having said that, what my mentality is - is one that culturally stems from the late 1800s in Russia...religiously, politically and socially - I am a freak to most new Russian arrivals - and what Russia is now is a gutted and pilaged society..where all that was good and noble has been removed - I often wonder who finance the Russian Revolution and well as the one in China? - Commies do not have money ...Point being - Russia is a destroyed culture - and I personally have nothing in common with Russians - I still can speak the language to a limited degree - but they are different - secularism combined with crimminality has not made for a civlized nation - You get rid of God and you get rid of goodness and noble behaviour - Guess I am a royalist.. That explains some of your comments. The criminal behaviour did not become "cool" in Russia until the fall of the Soviet Union. Regardless of what your parents and grandparents believe for the most part the 1917 Revolution succeeded and the resulst are mostly positive. Just think of where Russa was 100 years ago... and what destiny would you have had if born as a peasant... Quote You are what you do.
Oleg Bach Posted September 19, 2008 Report Posted September 19, 2008 That explains some of your comments.The criminal behaviour did not become "cool" in Russia until the fall of the Soviet Union. Regardless of what your parents and grandparents believe for the most part the 1917 Revolution succeeded and the resulst are mostly positive. Just think of where Russa was 100 years ago... and what destiny would you have had if born as a peasant... Exactly! Who gives a damn about the mindless and useless breeding of the peasants - certainly our peasant class is not cared or loved or maintained - Go take a tour of the living quarters above Toronto's most famed strip club..all you see are third world living conditions...white anglo peasants strung out on crack and handing their welfare cheques over to slum land lords guilty of the worst usery....The peasant abuse in Canada - is well hidden. BUT as our rich have decieded..that human nature and bad breeding are to be buried and kept out of sight. Quote
PoliticalCitizen Posted September 19, 2008 Report Posted September 19, 2008 Exactly! Who gives a damn about the mindless and useless breeding of the peasants - certainly our peasant class is not cared or loved or maintained - Go take a tour of the living quarters above Toronto's most famed strip club..all you see are third world living conditions...white anglo peasants strung out on crack and handing their welfare cheques over to slum land lords guilty of the worst usery....The peasant abuse in Canada - is well hidden. BUT as our rich have decieded..that human nature and bad breeding are to be buried and kept out of sight. And what the Red Revolution has done is remove the top crust and mix the rest. They also initially gave demerit points to people born of aristocrats and bonus point to the ones who come from dirt-poor families. The result - you have a more uniform society where noone has been ruling for generation and noone has been slaving for generations. Believe it or not - it is actually GOOD for the gene pool, as both the top and the bottom tend to inbreed. Quote You are what you do.
Jerry J. Fortin Posted September 19, 2008 Report Posted September 19, 2008 Canadians had better wake up quickly. Russia is seeking control of the Arctic, not for mere political reasons but for the economic reality of the resources that are KNOWN to exist there. Russia is cash starved, so the development of those resources means a great deal to them. This nation of sheep needs to realize just exactly what is at stake in this matter. There are trillions of dollars at stake in the development of the Arctic. We could well find ourselves divested of control of vast amounts of mineral wealth should we fail to consider the realities at hand. Quote
eyeball Posted September 19, 2008 Report Posted September 19, 2008 Lefties I hope you want to become an America protectorate because we are well on our way, thank you. :angry: Don't forget to thank the guy who sent us down that road in the first place, John Diefenbaker. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
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