Are lefties bullies?

[Wild Bill]

How does organized crime affect you? Mostly it provides competition for the government.

In my view, the primary reason government fights organized crime is because it can't track the flow of cash. Al Capone was finally indicted for income tax evasion. Why couldn't they pin him for criminal activity, he obviously was a crime boss? The secondary reason is appearances. Government has to look socially responsible.

Now it can't be said that people engaged in fighting organized crime and some politicians themselves don't have a genuine concern about it and pro-actively engage against it. I would like to know why it becomes a growing problem instead of being curtailed? It seems that all social problems addressed by government are exacerbated rather than alleviated, despite promises to the contrary.

I see, with increased socialism, increased costs to the taxpayer in the form of taxes and the ones paying the taxes are not receiving benefit equal to what they feel they are contributing. Generally, everyone gets some benefit but it seems a lot of waste occurs or a perceived undeserved benefit is granted to special interests and do not benefit the whole. Out of this a person may feel justification for disliking government. The left loves to engage government to create an egalitarian society. They use government to bring about what they desire. I suppose as anyone does. But depending upon their political philosophy what is desired is what makes the left bullies. They wish to enforce egalitarianism, social justice, economic justice upon society. The right, who are really still left of centre, today's conservatives, tend toward less social engineering and are less the bully in comparison to those further left on the political spectrum. Government by it's nature is a bully. The bigger the State gets the more bullying you can expect.

Good points! My local paper just finished up a series on crime with contraband cigarettes. They gave a figure of 1 out of 3 cigarettes smoked today are contraband from First Nation suppliers. The reason for the smuggling is obvious - the taxes taken by all the various levels of government have put the price up so high that it's so easy for crime to knock them out of the competition for the profits.

Unfortunately for the governments, they have a conundrum in that on one hand they have the right to tax the hell out of the product (only for our own good, of course!) and on the other we see First Nations, who are in a dicey, politically correct category in the first place and in the second are also perfectly willing to use violent civil disobedience to defend their activities.

As you point out, it's really all about the money.

[Pliny]

Good points! My local paper just finished up a series on crime with contraband cigarettes. They gave a figure of 1 out of 3 cigarettes smoked today are contraband from First Nation suppliers. The reason for the smuggling is obvious - the taxes taken by all the various levels of government have put the price up so high that it's so easy for crime to knock them out of the competition for the profits.

And the profits are big enough to take the risk.

Unfortunately for the governments, they have a conundrum in that on one hand they have the right to tax the hell out of the product (only for our own good, of course!) and on the other we see First Nations, who are in a dicey, politically correct category in the first place and in the second are also perfectly willing to use violent civil disobedience to defend their activities.

They have hyphenated the Aboriginal and other cultures. All cultures have the option of breaking the hyphen in whatever way benefits them. Hyphenated Canadians become special interests and opportunities to play the race card. Famous last words....I didn't even see it coming!

As you point out, it's really all about the money.

For governments yes, it is about the money. If you look at it, government is basically a money manager using it for social engineering, deciding where the fires are, pouring some money on them and their specific social interests, and ensuring the flow keeps coming in. They do have to take account of it all and that is a prime directive. They know everyone's income but lose a billion dollars in the Department of Human Resources.

[JerrySeinfeld]

Oh, and if it's any consolation, as a lefty I feel that I have to make my opinions more "centre" too at parties. Throwing out things like "CPC supporters don't like non-white immigrants" and "corporate greed is the modern-day slavery" doesn't exactly trigger happy conversations either.

Agreed, but in my opinion, there is something special about left wingers who feel it's their moral right to demonize anyone who doesn't agree with them.

"Racist", "Nazi" "Bigot" are common discussion-enders used by the left wing.

This is uncalled for as most conservatives tend to be more level headed - as YOU have been in your post BC Chick

I can relate to the lefties, though. Because in my college and high school days, I too was an angry bullying idealist feel-gooder lefty surrounded by the same

I know of what I speak from pure experience.

[BubberMiley]

"Racist", "Nazi" "Bigot" are common discussion-enders used by the left wing.

And "politically correct," "whacko" and, apparently, "Big Bully" are common discussion-enders used by the right. Bad debaters exist on both sides.

I can relate to the lefties, though. Because in my college and high school days, I too was an angry bullying idealist feel-gooder lefty surrounded by the same

I know of what I speak from pure experience.

You know lefties are jerks because you were once one yourself and you were a jerk then? I can believe it, but that sounds like anecdotal evidence at best.

[Guest American Woman]

QUOTE=JerrySeinfeld: I can relate to the lefties, though. Because in my college and high school days, I too was an angry bullying idealist feel-gooder lefty surrounded by the same.

I know of what I speak from pure experience.

You know lefties are jerks because you were once one yourself and you were a jerk then? I can believe it, but that sounds like anecdotal evidence at best.

That was my thought, too. Once he became a conservative, evidently he was no longer an angry bully. It has nothing to do with his personality, and everything to do with his political beliefs. Becoming a righty turned him into the calm, thoughtful, intelligent debater that he is today.

Edited August 21, 2008 by American Woman

[JerrySeinfeld]

That was my thought, too. Once he became a conservative, evidently he was no longer an angry bully. It has nothing to do with his personality, and everything to do with his political beliefs. Becoming a righty turned him into the calm, thoughtful, intelligent debater that he is today.

ha! touche AM. I knew I was opening myself up to this (and more to come I'm sure) by using personal anecdotes.

oh well. but in my experience right wing types are more fun, more easygoing and alot more positive about the world and the opportunities it presents, wheras the lefties that I have been exposed to are curmudgeons, negative thinkers, complainers and whiners - and a little agressive too.

My $0.02

(p.s. all conservatives - shall we have a pool as to how long it takes the balconey old man in the muppets - ie. Black Dog - to quote "my $0.02" and wittingly type in "that's about all it's worth, too") which would obviously prove my point in this thread BTW

haha

Edited August 21, 2008 by JerrySeinfeld

[Guest American Woman]

ha! touche AM. I knew I was opening myself up to this (and more to come I'm sure) by using personal anecdotes.

oh well. but in my experience right wing types are more fun, more easygoing and alot more positive about the world and the opportunities it presents, wheras the lefties that I have been exposed to are curmudgeons, negative thinkers, complainers and whiners - and a little agressive too.

Let's look back at what you said:

... in my opinion, there is something special about left wingers who feel it's their moral right to demonize anyone who doesn't agree with them.

"Racist", "Nazi" "Bigot" are common discussion-enders used by the left wing.

This is uncalled for as most conservatives tend to be more level headed - as YOU have been in your post BC Chick

I can relate to the lefties, though. Because in my college and high school days, I too was an angry bullying idealist feel-gooder lefty surrounded by the same

I'd just like to make sure I'm getting this correctly. "Racist," "nazi," and "bigot" are discussion enders, and uncalled for. But insinuating lefties aren't as level headed as the right, calling them "angry," "bullies," "idealists," "feel-gooders," "curmudgeons," "negative thinkers," "complainers," and "whiners" isn't the right wing equivalent of what you claim the left does? That's being "more fun," "more easy going," and "a lot more positive about the world?"

Because I have to say, it sounds as if you were whining and complaining about the left, directing uncalled for insults and complaints against them. In fact, one could say it sounds as if you were demonizing them.

[GostHacked]

A.M. you are making me swoon.

Sometimes, you just gotta call them out on it.

[Pliny]

Let's look back at what you said:

... in my opinion, there is something special about left wingers who feel it's their moral right to demonize anyone who doesn't agree with them.

"Racist", "Nazi" "Bigot" are common discussion-enders used by the left wing.

This is uncalled for as most conservatives tend to be more level headed - as YOU have been in your post BC Chick

I can relate to the lefties, though. Because in my college and high school days, I too was an angry bullying idealist feel-gooder lefty surrounded by the same

I'd just like to make sure I'm getting this correctly. "Racist," "nazi," and "bigot" are discussion enders, and uncalled for. But insinuating lefties aren't as level headed as the right, calling them "angry," "bullies," "idealists," "feel-gooders," "curmudgeons," "negative thinkers," "complainers," and "whiners" isn't the right wing equivalent of what you claim the left does? That's being "more fun," "more easy going," and "a lot more positive about the world?"

Because I have to say, it sounds as if you were whining and complaining about the left, directing uncalled for insults and complaints against them. In fact, one could say it sounds as if you were demonizing them.

Racist, Nazi and Bigot are for the most part entirely rhetorical plus serious and generally unfounded charges. As for "negative thinkers, complainers, whiners, etc., - entirely applicable and resolvable by putting up a smiley. Are we having fun yet?

[Oleg Bach]

This topic is intended to discuss the idea that left wing people are bullies with fascist tendencies.

It is also mostly a topic aimed at those of us conservative minded thinkers.

Question: As a conservative, have you ever found yourself in a situation where some lefty (or usually a gruop) was blathering on and on about the "conventional wisdom" being jammed down our throats by the left wing media? And in that situation, have you ever found yourself disagreeing but somewhat afraid to voice your thoughts because of the viciousness with which people shout down your "minority" ideas?

I believe in civil unions instead of gay marriage.

I also support our troops and the Afghan and Iraq wars. I like GW Bush. I hate carbon taxes, and I think the Climate Change issue may be the biggest trojan horse for socialism perpetrated on human kind in our history. But to soften it, at a party I would probably just say I'm not that concerned about climate change.

Have any of the other conservatives felt ostracized, attacked or bullied by those in disagreement? Isn't that fascism, if it happens alot?

Think of things like political correct speech. Doesn't PC essentially imply "this is how we all talk now". That sounds like a bit of a creepingly fascist concept, doesn't it?

Ben Stein put it best when he said "I used to go (to hollywood parties), and people would make cruel fun of me and bait me and want to start arguing with me, and who needs that crap?"

I find this to be a fairly common thing.

Thank goodness there are sites like this where we can exchange ideas, because in the real world I see alot of bullying by the left wing.

I have a friend who owns a T-Shirt which says "Conservative" in big letters on the front. He mentioned that the other day he was in a 7-11 store and a girl with a "rainbow" patch on her backpack (gay symbol) snickered "that's just sickening" as she walked past - as if it's ok for her to wear her politics on her sleave but not ok for him.

Yet during elections, conservatives fair very well, and in fact are in power in both Canada and the USA (for the time being).

So why are we so silent when being harassed by lefties? Are they less mature? Are they more volatile? Shouldn't we all start speaking up and being more proud of OUR views the same way they are of theirs?

I for one am giong out to buy a Ronald Reagan TShirt today!!!

Lefties love to watch Colbert and Stewart, who do a brilliant job of ridiculing conservatives (and even sometimes the odd democrat), but shouldn't we be standing up and having some fun with them too? I mean, just look at most lefties. There is MORE than enough material to work with.

Heck, just the other day I heard someone like Sheryl Crow or someone was having their house fitted with special plumbing that would allow them to recycle and drink their own poo and pee. Yuo can't make that stuff up!!!

Anyway, as a conservative, have you ever experienced this bullying?

Discuss.

Lefties are bullies that are actually very cowardly unless they are jacked up on booze and some other leftist substances. In Toronto the leftist liberal men and woman to stupid to breed are married to small yappy dogs - I was visiting a house the other day and the super liberal man drunk and jacked very liberally I must ad on high quaility poision that enduces confindence and false intellect - I believe it's called cocaine. Any way this immature 35 year old liberal was preturbed that someone let his little dog out into the back yard unsupervised... The house guest who supposedly was guilty of interspecies betrayal went into her room and spoke though the door to the raging liberal drunken coked up lefty - she said "It's just a dog" - the BULLY became so enraged at the demotion of his pet from human child to animal - that he tossed a full can of beer at her door to intimidate her...and he blurted - "she's not just a dog" - this goon would allow ten children to drown if it meant saving his mutt from the same fate - this is the embittered leftist Toronto that I live in - where the bullies can not and will not be loyal to their own species let alone to their country men and woman - all lefties are creeps.

[DrGreenthumb]

Lefties are bullies that are actually very cowardly unless they are jacked up on booze and some other leftist substances. In Toronto the leftist liberal men and woman to stupid to breed are married to small yappy dogs - I was visiting a house the other day and the super liberal man drunk and jacked very liberally I must ad on high quaility poision that enduces confindence and false intellect - I believe it's called cocaine. Any way this immature 35 year old liberal was preturbed that someone let his little dog out into the back yard unsupervised... The house guest who supposedly was guilty of interspecies betrayal went into her room and spoke though the door to the raging liberal drunken coked up lefty - she said "It's just a dog" - the BULLY became so enraged at the demotion of his pet from human child to animal - that he tossed a full can of beer at her door to intimidate her...and he blurted - "she's not just a dog" - this goon would allow ten children to drown if it meant saving his mutt from the same fate - this is the embittered leftist Toronto that I live in - where the bullies can not and will not be loyal to their own species let alone to their country men and woman - all lefties are creeps.

THIS little story is supposed to reflect on left leaning people? I swear OLEG sometimes i think you must be constantly whacked out on something if not just dropped on your head too often as a child. It could just as easily have been a right winger in your little anecdote. Are you able to to use any common sense? Do you suffer from a diagnosed mental condition? undiagnosed? Guess what, conservatives own those annoying little rat dogs too and are just as attached to them as the annoying leftties that own annoying little rat-pups. Also conservatives use drugs and alcohol as much as anyone else they just know that they have enough money and influence to buy their way out of trouble when they get caught so they don't care what the law does to everyone else without money and power.

Get a grip. I don't need any alcohol or drugs to kick somebodies ass when they are askin for it and I'm certainly no conservative.

[Wild Bill]

Guess what, conservatives own those annoying little rat dogs too and are just as attached to them as the annoying leftties that own annoying little rat-pups.

This is simply not true! Political inclination has NOTHING to do with who owns such little "rat dogs".

I have it on good authority is that the way these dogs appear has to do with weight!

Whenever a woman exceeds 350 lbs she is issued one!

A walk through any mall will prove my point!

[GostHacked]

Lefties are bullies that are actually very cowardly unless they are jacked up on booze and some other leftist substances. In Toronto the leftist liberal men and woman to stupid to breed are married to small yappy dogs - I was visiting a house the other day and the super liberal man drunk and jacked very liberally I must ad on high quaility poision that enduces confindence and false intellect - I believe it's called cocaine. Any way this immature 35 year old liberal was preturbed that someone let his little dog out into the back yard unsupervised... The house guest who supposedly was guilty of interspecies betrayal went into her room and spoke though the door to the raging liberal drunken coked up lefty - she said "It's just a dog" - the BULLY became so enraged at the demotion of his pet from human child to animal - that he tossed a full can of beer at her door to intimidate her...and he blurted - "she's not just a dog" - this goon would allow ten children to drown if it meant saving his mutt from the same fate - this is the embittered leftist Toronto that I live in - where the bullies can not and will not be loyal to their own species let alone to their country men and woman - all lefties are creeps.

This sounds like a rant. I have a solution to your problem. Move away. So I guess the most leftist people, by your example, are homeless people. They are always jacked up on booze and drugs. Yes, this is facetious.

Also, I might add, cocaine is quite dangerous. I have never touched the stuff. Ever think the cocaine is the reason he is such an ass?? It is a hell of a drug, from what I am told. I have a couple friends who do it now and then.

He is not an immaure liberal. He is just immature.

[Black Dog]

Lefties are bullies that are actually very cowardly unless they are jacked up on booze and some other leftist substances. In Toronto the leftist liberal men and woman to stupid to breed are married to small yappy dogs - I was visiting a house the other day and the super liberal man drunk and jacked very liberally I must ad on high quaility poision that enduces confindence and false intellect - I believe it's called cocaine. Any way this immature 35 year old liberal was preturbed that someone let his little dog out into the back yard unsupervised... The house guest who supposedly was guilty of interspecies betrayal went into her room and spoke though the door to the raging liberal drunken coked up lefty - she said "It's just a dog" - the BULLY became so enraged at the demotion of his pet from human child to animal - that he tossed a full can of beer at her door to intimidate her...and he blurted - "she's not just a dog" - this goon would allow ten children to drown if it meant saving his mutt from the same fate - this is the embittered leftist Toronto that I live in - where the bullies can not and will not be loyal to their own species let alone to their country men and woman - all lefties are creeps.

For something that is supposed to be an indictmenrt of coke-addled lefties, this reads exactly like the kind of thing some asshole would be yelling in your ear at 3 in the morning by the sink in the club bathroom. I can practically see the forehead veing throbbing, the bulging eyes and the sweat pouring down Oleg's face.

[Wild Bill]

ha! touche AM. I knew I was opening myself up to this (and more to come I'm sure) by using personal anecdotes.

oh well. but in my experience right wing types are more fun, more easygoing and alot more positive about the world and the opportunities it presents, wheras the lefties that I have been exposed to are curmudgeons, negative thinkers, complainers and whiners - and a little agressive too.

My $0.02

(p.s. all conservatives - shall we have a pool as to how long it takes the balconey old man in the muppets - ie. Black Dog - to quote "my $0.02" and wittingly type in "that's about all it's worth, too") which would obviously prove my point in this thread BTW

haha

Quite right! For example, I'm considered a "rightie" and I also know that the two old Muppet gentlemen in the balconey were named "Statler" and Waldorf". It's been a week since your post and there's no post from the left that knew that!

I sometimes wonder if the left is incapable of having fun! Their humour tends to the snide and sarcastic, rather than the deep belly laugh.

What's more, we could start a whole new thread on their apparent inability to EVER laugh at themselves!

Edited August 27, 2008 by Wild Bill

[Guest American Woman]

What's more, we could start a whole new thread on their apparent inability to EVER laugh at themselves!

Who has the time? We're too busy laughing at you righties.

[AngusThermopyle]

Guess what, conservatives own those annoying little rat dogs too and are just as attached to them as the annoying leftties that own annoying little rat-pups.

Guess what, all you guys are using the wrong name. They are not called little rat dogs, thats so incorrect. The correct term is "leash lint", okay, now lets get it right from now on.

[Pliny]

Who has the time? We're too busy laughing at you righties.

She said seriously although feeling a bit constrained by time.

[Oleg Bach]

Guess what, all you guys are using the wrong name. They are not called little rat dogs, thats so incorrect. The correct term is "leash lint", okay, now lets get it right from now on.

Sharing a house with a lefty was not fun - he gave me the boot because I said his dog was "just a dog" - never thought I would see the day where a dog was master of a man - that was willing to make me homeless over insulting a frinking Terrier...YEP - the guy reminded me of the charter in Silence Of The Lambs...you know the transvestite who was controlled by his dog "Clorice - put the lotion in the basket"...remember the scene...anyway..the jerk tossed a full can of open beer at my door over the dog - he was being a lefty bully for sure - lucky I am older and wiser - or I would have deviated the septum of his coke sniffing lefty nose..

[jefferiah]

Haha. So McCarthy is (in part) responsible for left wing bullying? I have to wonder who is responsible for right wing bullying then.

What exactly do you know about McCarthy?

[Oleg Bach]

What exactly do you know about McCarthy?

The Red Scare terror era when McCarthy was doing his famous commie witch hunts is exactly what the Bushites are doing with their war on terror - just jerking your chain - there really is no left or right wing - just a few guys who fly with two wings and keep the population fearful...Once you generate fear you can motivate and control a society - you have to be fearless....but the trolls that manage the left wing are just as nasty as the rightists..I believe they are all bullies - till you stand up for your rights then they lose focus and run.

[bush_cheney2004]

The Red Scare terror era when McCarthy was doing his famous commie witch hunts is exactly what the Bushites are doing with their war on terror - just jerking your chain - there really is no left or right wing - just a few guys who fly with two wings and keep the population fearful...Once you generate fear you can motivate and control a society - you have to be fearless....but the trolls that manage the left wing are just as nasty as the rightists..I believe they are all bullies - till you stand up for your rights then they lose focus and run.

Jesus Christ...another half-assed understanding of American history. The "Red Scare" started long before Senator McCarthy and his hearings....try about 1919 complete with bombing conspiracies.

Sheesh.....

[Oleg Bach]

Jesus Christ...another half-assed understanding of American history. The "Red Scare" started long before Senator McCarthy and his hearings....try about 1919 complete with bombing conspiracies.

Sheesh.....

Firstly stop calling me Jesus Christ - I am but a common king - not the king of kings. Seriously - that is informative 1919 hugh? Must have been the damn unionist....go easy on me- I went to grade ten three times...they loved me...now back to the fact that left wingers that are successful are surely assisted finacially by rightwinger that are rich...IF the leftist policy suits the rightist finacial and social agenda- the right manipulates the left- unless you are ambi-dexterous - which means you have two right hands....I am a centralist and I have equal power in my left and right hand - runs in the family - we do not have a sinister or left side.

[jefferiah]

The Red Scare was not just paranoia. You should read about Whitaker Chambers and Algar Hiss.

And Joe was right on the mark with many of those accusations, despite the popular assertion that he never found a single communist. De-classfied FBI papers (Venona Papers), and documents from the old USSR have confirmed that many of the people Joe and others were suspicious of at the time were indeed acting as Soviet agents.

[bush_cheney2004]

Firstly stop calling me Jesus Christ - I am but a common king - not the king of kings. Seriously - that is informative 1919 hugh? Must have been the damn unionist....go easy on me- I went to grade ten three times...they loved me...

I am sure you have been called far worse.

now back to the fact that left wingers that are successful are surely assisted finacially by rightwinger that are rich...IF the leftist policy suits the rightist finacial and social agenda- the right manipulates the left- unless you are ambi-dexterous - which means you have two right hands....I am a centralist and I have equal power in my left and right hand - runs in the family - we do not have a sinister or left side.

I am happy to make money from either, especially the dolts who tell me I should care about "the issues".