JerrySeinfeld Posted July 30, 2008 Report Posted July 30, 2008 My $0.02: New York Times - Left Washington Post - Left Washington Times - Right CNN - Left NBC - Left ABC - Left CBS - Left New York Post - Right Fox - Right CBC - Left CTV - Left Centre BBC - Left Quote
WIP Posted July 30, 2008 Report Posted July 30, 2008 The neverending whining from neocon supporters of John McCain, overlooks the fact that he has been a media darling up till now, and is just throwing a tantrum because the MSM would rather focus their cameras on mass rallies and photo-ops with foreign leaders, than watch some old man try to make small talk with a bunch of old fogies at some lunch-counter in the middle of nowhere! It was the Right who wanted media deregulated in the first place, and now they are complaining because the nightly news has become a form of entertainment! It's enough to make my stomach turn to listen to gasbags like Rush Limbaugh talk about "the mainstream media", when the company he works for owns 1200 radio stations across the U.S., not including XM Satellite radio, soon to be merged with Sirius, not to mention that it is a company that has an established policy of censoring opinions critical of the Bush Administration http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clear_Channel...ions#Censorship So who really controls the media? The fact that McCain is being ignored owes more to the fact that he's a boring old fart and hardcore conservatives have already rejected him, than it does to any alleged media bias! Quote Anybody who believers exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. -- Kenneth Boulding, 1973
Carinthia Posted July 30, 2008 Report Posted July 30, 2008 The fact that McCain is being ignored owes more to the fact that he's a boring old fart and hardcore conservatives have already rejected him, than it does to any alleged media bias! I could not agree more. The media can't even be bothered to make any real issue of his weekly gaffs and memory losses. It's too pathetic! Quote
GostHacked Posted July 30, 2008 Report Posted July 30, 2008 Nonsense...you are confusing the news media with realpolitik...a common mistake. Life is not fair...and when it comes to matters such as these...it really isn't fair (or balanced)! So how do we change it? Quote
M.Dancer Posted July 30, 2008 Report Posted July 30, 2008 My $0.02:New York Times - Left Washington Post - Left Washington Times - Right CNN - Left NBC - Left ABC - Left CBS - Left New York Post - Right Fox - Right CBC - Left CTV - Left Centre BBC - Left Globe and Mail - Centre National Post - Centre Canwest- Centre Toronto Star- left Toronto Sun - Populist Quebecor - Populist Global- Centre TVO- Left Rogers-Centre Left CFMT- Unaligned Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
guyser Posted July 30, 2008 Report Posted July 30, 2008 Globe and Mail - CentreNational Post - Centre Canwest- Centre Toronto Star- left Toronto Sun - Populist Quebecor - Populist Global- Centre TVO- Left Rogers-Centre Left CFMT- Unaligned NP and Canwest centre? With David Frum being the big boy with Asper? I am not saying its "right" , but I would move it right of centre. The Star, well, when they get out of the "blame Mike Harris " habit we will see. Quote
M.Dancer Posted July 30, 2008 Report Posted July 30, 2008 NP and Canwest centre? With David Frum being the big boy with Asper? I am not saying its "right" , but I would move it right of centre.The Star, well, when they get out of the "blame Mike Harris " habit we will see. They balance the frums with others. One of my best friends is an editoir at National Post. To say that he is a rightist would be like saying Layton is Generalissimo Franco Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Carinthia Posted July 31, 2008 Report Posted July 31, 2008 Speaking of David Frum, I have not seen him on TV since the primaries ended. Wonder if this is because he is right wing and this is another case of media bias selection? He was a regular on CNN during the primaries. Quote
Black Dog Posted July 31, 2008 Report Posted July 31, 2008 (edited) I don't mind the opinions.WHat really bugs me is the lefties posing as objective. Doggy gets his tights into a knot about FOX, the only right-bias major network. But the rest of the networks are so bloody left wing bias they don't even realize it. Bias is in the eye of the beholder. Someone who takes it upon themselves to look for examples of left or right bias in the media will find something to prove their point. But isolated and out of context examples prove nothing. For example: Chris Matthews defended his Obama-gasm by stating that he IS cheerleading...he's a "freking american and I'm cheering for US." Simply implying that cheering for Obama IS cheering for us. How's that for objective? WHat a twit. Here's some other Chris Matthews nuggets from May 1, 2003, after Bush's "Mission Accomplished" stunt. MATTHEWS: What's the importance of the president's amazing display of leadership tonight?... What do you make of the actual visual that people will see on TV and probably, as you know, as well as I, will remember a lot longer than words spoken tonight? And that's the president looking very much like a jet, you know, a high-flying jet star. A guy who is a jet pilot. Has been in the past when he was younger, obviously. What does that image mean to the American people, a guy who can actually get into a supersonic plane and actually fly in an unpressurized cabin like an actual jet pilot? ... The president deserves everything he's doing tonight in terms of his leadership. He won the war. He was an effective commander. Everybody recognizes that, I believe, except a few critics. Do you think he is defining the office of the presidency, at least for this time, as basically that of commander in chief? That if you're going to run against him, you'd better be ready to take [that] away from him. ... Here's a president who's really nonverbal. He's like Eisenhower. He looks great in a military uniform. He looks great in that cowboy costume he wears when he goes West. I remember him standing at that fence with Colin Powell. Was [that] the best picture in the 2000 campaign? ... He looks for real. What is it about the commander in chief role, the hat that he does wear, that makes him -- I mean, he seems like -- he didn't fight in a war, but he looks like he does. Are you suggesting that in the span of just five years that Matthews has gone from slobbering over Bush's copdpiece to a card carrying membe rof the radical left? Or could it be that the mainstream media is like a windsock in terms of who it favours. In other words, the bias in the media is structural in nature, which can give the appearance of partisan favoritism, but in actuality is a byproduct of organizational practices. Indeed, Jerry recognizes that phenomenon, but his victim mentality and ideological stridency cause him to mis label it as "liberal bias". He even provides and example: This happens all the time. Have you noticed in your evening news how the media now talks all day long about "whacky weather"? WHat the heck are they talking about. Hurricanes, storms, tornadoes and floods have always ALWAYS happened. Sometimes alot more than they have in the past couple of decades. Sometimes less. The fact that we have an internet or satellite capable of trasnmitting the images of a house blown over in Kansas doesn't make it any more whacky. It just makes it more noticable.This is the common problem in the MSM. They all too often accept left wing dogma as a fact of life, which it is not, and report the news inside that context. This is so funny, this debate. Just look at the people who get smoke coming out of their ears when Fox dresses up as "objective" while CNN has an entire series entitled "planet in peril" during a time when our planet is in the best environmental shape it's been in decades. Well if you say so... Edited July 31, 2008 by Black Dog Quote
JerrySeinfeld Posted August 1, 2008 Report Posted August 1, 2008 Well if you say so... hmm... do we have a disagreement here? We have more trees, cleaner water, cleaner air...what's the problem? The earth is 0.7C warmer? I'd say in Canada that's not such a bad thing! Quote
GostHacked Posted August 1, 2008 Report Posted August 1, 2008 hmm...do we have a disagreement here? We have more trees, cleaner water, cleaner air...what's the problem? The earth is 0.7C warmer? I'd say in Canada that's not such a bad thing! More trees??? Cleaner air? Cleaner water? Not only that we have more cars, more planes, more ships, more people. more products, bigger cities, more waste, more toxic areas. Check the Amazon now and 50 years ago. More trees eh? Since we need to treat our water before and after we consume it, that does not tell me we have more clean water than before. The population growth of the human race and urban sprawl in the last 100 years clearly states you are absolutely wrong. Quote
JerrySeinfeld Posted August 5, 2008 Report Posted August 5, 2008 More trees??? Cleaner air? Cleaner water? Not only that we have more cars, more planes, more ships, more people. more products, bigger cities, more waste, more toxic areas. Check the Amazon now and 50 years ago. More trees eh?Since we need to treat our water before and after we consume it, that does not tell me we have more clean water than before. The population growth of the human race and urban sprawl in the last 100 years clearly states you are absolutely wrong. You clearly haven't recently had a conversatyion with someone who lived in Los Angeles in 1980. Quote
Shady Posted August 7, 2008 Report Posted August 7, 2008 I don't need to see a specific incident to know Fox News is biased, I just have to spend 5 minutes with Glenn Beck (and then throw up, but thats my leftist bias showing up). The conception of Fox News is a direct result of leftwing bias in the mainstream media. Kinda like the way the Joker created Batman. Fox News is the Batman of cable news. IMO, the main beef with Fox is it's claim that it is "fair and balanced". Yeah, that and CNN being the "most trusted name in news". Or MSNBC claiming to be a "fuller spectrum of news". Whatever. and Bush had the advantage of 'fear' the second time around Democrats use fear in every election, so to complain about that in reverse is quite hypocritical, and intellectually dishonest. Republicans want to starve children, Republicans want old people to eat dog food, Republicans want to poison the environoment, you're only one paycheck from homelessness, etc, etc, etc. Democrats are just upset that their fear was trumped. He was actually on his way to becoming the first US wartime president to lose an election until he was rescued by his "swift boaters". Kerry was leading before he got swift boated. Yep, and the New England Patriots were on their way to an undefeated season, right before the Giants scored that last second touchdown. Oh, and swiftboated = the truth being told about you. Yes, it did suck for Kerry when the public found out what kind of person he is/was. I could not agree more. The media can't even be bothered to make any real issue of his weekly gaffs and memory losses. It's too pathetic! Well, that's their freaking job! And Obama has just as many gaffes. See my thread entitled "Senator Teleprompter". Quote
BubberMiley Posted August 24, 2008 Report Posted August 24, 2008 Based on actual studies, and not the random observations of right-wingers with victimization complexes, the media is definitely biased in this campaign, but that bias is against Obama. http://www.cmpa.com/Studies/Election08/ele...s%207_29_08.htm Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
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