Sounds like Phun

[GostHacked]

On the one hand this seems rather dissonant yet somehow comforting. It indicates a good healthy mistrust of government is thriving. On the other hand its no wonder the Harper government has kept silent on the deal it probably doesn't know who or what to trust either.

I don't know if all this mistrust and apparent secrecy is very healthy in the long run.

It is not hard to get the information. Anyone can make a request for the information from the government. However, they are not going to advertise that the information is available. Harper made promises of a more transparent government, but his actions clearly show that this is not the case. More secrecy, more back room negotiations, which would indicate that Harper and Co. are circumventing the regular and long established processes.

I will say Harper is a smart man, and has smart people working with him (or for him?), which puts no doubt in my mind that there is too much hush hush.

Dammit all to heck.... my tinfoil had fell off my head and I stepped on it as I was getting up from my desk. My coworkers think I am a little odd.

[M.Dancer]

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/story.ht...ef-902a1d14879d

Is that you agreeing your post was nonsense or does suport from another tinfoil hat that doesn't even support your claim mean you think you are right?

Let me be franck, no one has the right to send troops uninveted over the boarder and neither does this treaty give it.

[GostHacked]

Is that you agreeing your post was nonsense or does suport from another tinfoil hat that doesn't even support your claim mean you think you are right?

Let me be franck, no one has the right to send troops uninveted over the boarder and neither does this treaty give it.

Okokokok, I'll be Bob. Spec Ops cross borders all the time without permission.

Are you sure about that?? Care to offer up some links for us to peruse through? I don't see any. Canada and the US are pushing for more integration between our two militaries. This is a fact. This integration has been happening for a couple decades now. It is being accelerated today because of this 'war on terror'. You know, keeping North America secure n stuff.

The NAU will erase the borders creating one large entity. At this point, there will no longer be Canadian or US troops. The integration will keep on happening until it is one NAU military. IF you think I am full of it, we can use the European Union as an example of what will happen in North America. Most countries have lost their sovereignty because Brussles now controls it all. The EU government has control, and is gaining more control all the time. The integration of the European countries, economies, and militaries all point to one localized government which will treat all countries as 'provices' or 'states'. National identities wil fade away for the new identity that is the conglomeration of the EU.

[M.Dancer]

Okokokok, I'll be Bob. Spec Ops cross borders all the time without permission.

Are you sure about that?? Care to offer up some links for us to peruse through? I don't see any.

Yeah what ever...what about the help from the aliens....

Canada and the US are pushing for more integration between our two militaries. This is a fact. This integration has been happening for a couple decades now.

Try fifty years...for reasons other than you have mentioned...

It is being accelerated today because of this 'war on terror'. You know, keeping North America secure n stuff.

Yes. Damn good thing we have been integrating our defenses for the last 50 years eh wot? NORAD, NATO etc etc.....

The NAU will erase the borders creating one large entity.....

You mean the thing that exists only in the minds of the tinfoil hat frootloops crowd? And this imaginary conspiracy known to all the paranoid black helicopter watchers is your basis for saying trhat troops will cross the border without permission? The sale of Alcan really must hurt....

[GostHacked]

Mdancer

Yes. Damn good thing we have been integrating our defenses for the last 50 years eh wot? NORAD, NATO etc etc....

Something called the Cold War. I know. But look, take a look at things going on. And you know the plan must have been in place for a long time. In a business term, you need a roadmap. No roadmap, no progress, no goal, no advancement. The NAU is not far behind. Economically it makes sense to do it because of the new entity that is the European Union, using thier own currency called the Euro. This makes them a huge player as a whole in world markets. Instead of all of those individual countries trading in each thier own currency, having to set up finnancial institutions in order to trade and do business with each other, they all got on the same page and agreed to a roadmap in essence. Since all these financial institutions are now standardized across all countries involved, they can trade in a common currency giving them more buying power globaly.

For the last while the US has done a pretty good job of dominating and for the most part dictacting monetary trading for the planet. Almost everything is traded or based on or compared to the Greenback. After outspending the USSR during the Cold War, the US had the advantage of buying power. The economy was booming, and largely due to their build up during the Cold War. So, in order to compete with this economy, the EU got established to give them more clout. Also because they knew that China was going to become a large player very fast and very soon. In a global market, it makes complete sense to creat the NAU. Canda, the US and Mexico can create a powerful player as well in the global markets.

I have posted before of how everything is a conglomeration of money/power/government. Large monopolies of corporations exist, larger than ever before. Business is doing it, governments are doing it. Hard to deny this when the evidence is quite clear. So with the amalgamation of business and governments, it is quite obvious that militaries will be integrated and standardized as well.

So back to the thing of not being able to cross without permission. You are correct I guess. I would guess that with the NAU there will be a common standardized military across the continent.

Yeah what ever...what about the help from the aliens....

Dunno they erased my brain again. So .. what were you talking about? Durrrrrr.

[M.Dancer]

is quite clear. So with the amalgamation of business and governments, it is quite obvious that militaries will be integrated and standardized as well.

Except the North American Union as envisioned by the scary scary types (I too miss arrested developments own M. Bluth) only exists in phantasy. It isn't real, it sin't practical politically and it ain't going to happem any time soon.

[GostHacked]

Except the North American Union as envisioned by the scary scary types (I too miss arrested developments own M. Bluth) only exists in phantasy. It isn't real, it sin't practical politically and it ain't going to happem any time soon.

But it will happen. It took over 50 years for the EU to come together. I figure we are only about 10 years off before the NAU is in place. It may not be practical politicaly, but economicaly it is practicle, and encouraged. When money does something big, government follows suit because the government likes money.

Still waiting for links debunking the NAU.

[eyeball]

It'll be economic practicality that drives the integration.

I'm just trying to picture local effects when integration broadens to encompass things like policing and the coast guard. If we get as anal or excitable as the US coast guard I think I'll immigrate to Europe.

If you've ever listened to our respective coast guard radio broadcasts you'd understand what I mean. A Canadian coast guard broadcast is downright syrupy in a bureacratic sort of way. US broadcasts however are almost militarized to the exent its not hard to imagine the radio operator is wearing full body armour and has a locked and loaded assault rifle leaning against his desk.

Edited July 26, 2008 by eyeball

[Guest American Woman]

....the French don't bother me none. GIT YER FREEEEDUUUMMM FRIIIEESSS !!! As long as it has cheese curds and gravy.

What about the Danish? Whenever a Canadian brings up the freedom fries thing, and yes, it was stupid beyond belief, I can't help but think of the boycott of Danish pastry that was called for by some Canadians because of Canada's dispute with Denmark over Hans Island at the entrance of the Northwest Passage. Guess we're not all that different, eh?

[bush_cheney2004]

What about the Danish? Whenever a Canadian brings up the freedom fries thing, and yes, it was stupid beyond belief, I can't help but think of the boycott of Danish pastry that was called for by some Canadians because of Canada's dispute with Denmark over Hans Island at the entrance of the Northwest Passage. Guess we're not all that different, eh?

Careful now....some of these blokes are very sensitive to such comparisons and will accuse you of slamming Canada.

"French fries" arguably originated in Belgium anyway.

[eyeball]

Apparently Danish's originated in Germany.

[AngusThermopyle]

I can't help but think of the boycott of Danish pastry that was called for by some Canadians because of Canada's dispute with Denmark over Hans Island at the entrance of the Northwest Passage. Guess we're not all that different, eh?

Thats not a really good comparison actually. Here in Canada it was a few strident nut jobs calling for a boycot. In America it was the actual leader of the country throwing a hissy fit and demonstrating his childishness.

[bush_cheney2004]

Thats not a really good comparison actually. Here in Canada it was a few strident nut jobs calling for a boycot. In America it was the actual leader of the country throwing a hissy fit and demonstrating his childishness.

Yeah, that's it....the "leader of the country" made all the difference. Meanwhile, boycott's of other Danish products around the world is OK to protest Mohammad cartoons.

[Guest American Woman]

Thats not a really good comparison actually. Here in Canada it was a few strident nut jobs calling for a boycot. In America it was the actual leader of the country throwing a hissy fit and demonstrating his childishness.

Of course it's a really good comparison. You have your "strident nut jobs" and we have ours.

As for Bush calling for french fries being changed to freedom fries, ie: "throwing a hissy fit and demonstrating his childishness," I would appreciate a link to your source backing up that claim.

[AngusThermopyle]

Meanwhile, boycott's of other Danish products around the world is OK to protest Mohammad cartoons.

Can you show me where I ever said any such thing? Nope, you can't because I didn't. Intelligent debate is not composed of you making things up because you don't like the unpleasant truth that George made himself a laughing stock with his little tantrum.

Face facts, his little fit was ridiculous and exceedingly childish, gotta give the Texas clown credit though, it was the funniest damn thing any leader has ever said. The fact that he was dead serious made it even funnier.

Oops, sorry, my mistake.

It was Congress that voted to change the names of not only French Fries but also French Toast. I guess its better when an entire group shows what a bunch of idiots they are. I think my confusion came from the TV interview with Bush where he stated that the name would now be Freedom Fries. So it wasn't just George, Congress got in on the pouting and foot stomping too. If I had been an American I believe I would have been exceedingly embarrassed by the whole farce.

Edited July 26, 2008 by AngusThermopyle

[bush_cheney2004]

...As for Bush calling for french fries being changed to freedom fries, ie: "throwing a hissy fit and demonstrating his childishness," I would appreciate a link to your source backing up that claim.

Doesn't exist...it was two US House members:

On 11 March 2003, Representatives Robert W. Ney (R-Ohio) and Walter B. Jones, Jr. (R-North Carolina) declared that all references to French fries and French toast on the menus of the restaurants and snack bars run by the House of Representatives would be removed. House cafeterias were ordered to rename French fries "freedom fries". This action was carried out without a congressional vote, under the authority of Ney's position as Chairman of the Committee on House Administration, which oversees restaurant operations for the chamber. The simultaneous renaming of French toast to "freedom toast" attracted less attention. Source: Wiki

Apparently during WW1, Canadians renamed the city of Berlin, Ontario "Kitchener".

[AngusThermopyle]

Apparently during WW1, Canadians renamed the city of Berlin, Ontario "Kitchener".

So by your logic refusing to join an American war in Iraq can be equated to the WWI conflict? That has to be one of the most stupid things I've heard in a long time, did you actually sit there and try to come up with the most irrelevant point possible? If so, well, congratulations, you succeeded.

Now if you'll excuse me I have to run down to A&W so I can get some Freedom Fries, then I have to pick up a loaf of Freedom Bread to have with my supper, might also have a nice bottle of Freedom Wine with it as well.

Edited July 26, 2008 by AngusThermopyle

[Guest American Woman]

Oops, sorry, my mistake.

It was Congress that voted to change the names of not only French Fries but also French Toast. I guess its better when an entire group shows what a bunch of idiots they are. I think my confusion came from the TV interview with Bush where he stated that the name would now be Freedom Fries. So it wasn't just George, Congress got in on the pouting and foot stomping too. If I had been an American I believe I would have been exceedingly embarrassed by the whole farce.

It wasn't Bush at all. I don't know what TV interview you are referring to, but if Bush ever said that french fries should be changed to freedom fries, there would be a link on the net. So again I'm asking your for a link to a source to back up your claim. I'd also like a link to back up your claim that the "entire" congress voted for the name change, because the fact is, as bush-cheney2004 already pointed out, there never was a vote; it was just two "nut jobs," not "an entire group" showing "what a bunch of idiots they are" per your accusation. So 'oops, your mistake' once again.

But speaking of Congress (and by extension, Parliament) and being exceedingly embarrassed, had I been a Canadian, I'd have been exceedingly embarrassed by the remark made by a Canadian member of Parliament: "Damn Americans--I hate those bastards"

You can try to deny it, but the fact remains that you have your nuts jobs and we have ours. We are, as I already said, not that different.

Edited July 26, 2008 by American Woman

[bush_cheney2004]

So by your logic refusing to join an American war in Iraq can be equated to the WWI conflict? That has to be one of the most stupid things I've heard in a long time, did you actually sit there and try to come up with the most irrelevant point possible? If so, well, congratulations, you succeeded.

Has nothing to do with any war, but rather the domestic reaction pointed out by AW wrt "danish" and apparently much earlier in Ontario during WW1. But this is par for the course.....slag some Americans' actions, but defend identical Canadian behaviours.

Now if you'll excuse me I have to run down to A&W so I can get some Freedom Fries, then I have to pick up a loaf of Freedom Bread to have with my supper, might also have a nice bottle of Freedom Wine with it as well.

A&W is American...best to boycott because of the Iraq war, eh?

[bush_cheney2004]

...Oops, sorry, my mistake.

It was Congress that voted to change the names of not only French Fries but also French Toast. I guess its better when an entire group shows what a bunch of idiots they are. I think my confusion came from the TV interview with Bush where he stated that the name would now be Freedom Fries. So it wasn't just George, Congress got in on the pouting and foot stomping too. If I had been an American I believe I would have been exceedingly embarrassed by the whole farce.

Yes, it was your mistake.

[GostHacked]

What about the Danish? Whenever a Canadian brings up the freedom fries thing, and yes, it was stupid beyond belief, I can't help but think of the boycott of Danish pastry that was called for by some Canadians because of Canada's dispute with Denmark over Hans Island at the entrance of the Northwest Passage. Guess we're not all that different, eh?

It shows that people make mountains out of molehills whenever they can. And yes the danish thing is just as retarded.

[M.Dancer]

What about the Danish? Whenever a Canadian brings up the freedom fries thing, and yes, it was stupid beyond belief, I can't help but think of the boycott of Danish pastry that was called for by some Canadians because of Canada's dispute with Denmark over Hans Island at the entrance of the Northwest Passage. Guess we're not all that different, eh?

Never heard of it. By some you must mean how many? 2?

Now if the House of Commons Cafe mused over changing the name of the danish to say...(?).....then maybe

[Guest American Woman]

Never heard of it. By some you must mean how many? 2?

Now if the House of Commons Cafe mused over changing the name of the danish to say...(?).....then maybe

Your lack of awareness doesn't diminish the fact. But since you brought up the number "2," I'll repeat again that that's how many Congressmen were involved in the French Fries to Freedom Fries name change.

But the more some of you Canadians try to deny that the whole 'boycott Danish pastries' thing isn't just as moronic, the more apparent it becomes that you're pretty selective in your criticism.

At least GhostHacked sees it for what it is, because both situations are just as moronic.

[M.Dancer]

But the more some of you Canadians try to deny that the whole 'boycott Danish pastries' thing isn't just as moronic, the more apparent it becomes that you're pretty selective in your criticism.

I'm not denying it isn't moronic...just questioning whether it is a fable or an urban legend...

I'll repeat again that that's how many Congressmen were involved in the French Fries to Freedom Fries name change.

And how many restaurants? Never the less it wasn't an isolated blip....restaurants across the US jumped on the band wagon....

In Canada...renaming the Danish? Sounds like a RIck Mercer parody.

[M.Dancer]

After googling whether there is any truth to the tale that canadians wanted to boycott danish pastries I came out with nothing conclusive...although The Iranians want to rename the danish...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4724656.stm

Could I have a double double and a toasted Roses of the Prophet Muhammad?