Canada's Gas Prices

[whowhere]

You're not. Thanks for coming.

Really? If supply is tightened what does that do for prices? I'll wait for your brainiac response. Oh BTW there is talk by Barack to issue energy rebate checks. Hmmm, sounds like more welfare checks to Americans. So as Americans continue to get rebate checks and Canada's oil at the same price we are subsidizing American consumption. No talk about Canadians getting rebate checks but that's ok as long Alberta plays whore to the United States.

Obviously, you are an American on a Canadian Board. Go back to your to your own board donkey.

[bush_cheney2004]

Do you want to split hairs when the US sub prime debacle was elaborate scheme to defraud world investors by packaging and selling this debt as safe investments. How about Enron? Face it the US the US is biased and one sided. There is the US and the rest of the world.

Well....yea...the rest of the world is like Toronto and the ROC!

Hey, all I am saying is pass the same law. If we pass the same law as the US, we are nationalizing but the yet the US isn't. Makes no sense.

But you can't pass the same law....the provinces would issue a contract for your life (probably to an American).

The point is, why should I be subsizidizing world demand for oil.

It's not all about you. This is what happens in Alberta...not Ontario:

Alberta posts $8.7-billion surplus

Last Updated: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 | 12:06 PM MT

CBC News

Alberta has posted an $8.7-billion surplus, the largest ever, as it continues to ride the wave of high energy revenues.

Finance Minister Shirley McClellan released the figures for the 2005-2006 fiscal year Monday morning. Much of the increase in revenues has come from oil and gas, with resource royalties and other payments hitting a record $14.3 billion.

Most of that money is already committed to a wide range of construction projects and education endowments, but there is still $2.7 billion available for new projects.

That has already stirred speculation of another round of resource rebates for Albertans.

In January, the Alberta government sent $400 cheques — known variously as resource-rebate cheques, prosperity cheques, and "Ralph bucks" — to virtually every man, woman and child in the province.

[Wilber]

Really? If supply is tightened what does that do for prices? I'll wait for your brainiac response. Oh BTW there is talk by Barack to issue energy rebate checks. Hmmm, sounds like more welfare checks to Americans. So as Americans continue to get rebate checks and Canada's oil at the same price we are subsidizing American consumption. No talk about Canadians getting rebate checks but that's ok as long Alberta plays whore to the United States.

Americans pay the same price for oil as you. You are not subsidizing dick, you are paying market value for a commodity. If the Americans don't buy it, Asia will. India wants to sink over 2 billion into tar sands developement, China even more. Considering that Eastern Canada gets much of it's oil from non Canadian sources by choice, from the very people who are tightening prices, you take an interesting position on what is yours and what is not. If Obama wants to give Americans rebate checks, it will come out of other US government spending or a further devaluating of their currency because they will have to print it. Nothing to do with you.

I'm still waiting to buy my Ontario built car or my Bombardier whatever at 1/3 of its market value, but as long as they continue to play whore to world markets, I know I never will.

[August1991]

Whowhere, I'm not sure that I understand your points.

You claim that Canadians "subsidize" the world oil price. How? We sell oil to Americans at the world oil price (around $130 per barrel now). If you think that means Canadians "subsidize" Americans, then I guess we can also say that you "subsidize" the world when you go to work every morning. Maybe you should stay at home to do housework instead of going out and "subsidizing" someone else.

You then claim that the oil sands are "beyond profitable" and argue that people in Ontario should be able to buy oil at, for example, $45 per barrel. Why should you be able to force Albertans to sell you oil at a lower price than they can sell it to Americans? By your logic, I should be able to force you to come over to my house and wash my dishes at less than minimum wage. Maybe we should force Blackberry (a company that's "beyond profitable") to sell its cell phones to other Canadians at, say, $10 each.

Underneath all your histrionics whowhere, I think you just want to buy cheap gas and have someone else pay for it.

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And I'm still confused with this:

So I guess you were fine with the US slapping a 30% anti dumping tariff on Softwood Lumber because the US didn't agree with how Canada calculated its stumpage fees? Wait is it possible the US wants us to do what they do? Damn right! Do as they do. Pass a copycat law requiring all oil produced in Canada, remains in Canada, for Canadian Use. Any unused Oil is then put it on the world market.

Because of the US tariff, we keep the softwood lumber in Canada for Canadians. In effect, you want to do exactly the same with oil. You are advocating that our oil industry become like our softwood lumber industry. Great idea!

The fact is world consumption outstrips demand. This is not going to change. If Canadians consumed more of its oil at $45 dollars a barrel, that would drive the world oil price for a barrel to compensate for the difference being paid by Canadians.

World consumption outstrips demand?

How can my consumption for something outstrip my demand? whowhere, I suggest you go to a library and borrow a book on basic economics.

Edited July 18, 2008 by August1991

[whowhere]

Well....yea...the rest of the world is like Toronto and the ROC!

But you can't pass the same law....the provinces would issue a contract for your life (probably to an American).

It's not all about you. This is what happens in Alberta...not Ontario:

Alberta posts $8.7-billion surplus

Last Updated: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 | 12:06 PM MT

CBC News

Alberta has posted an $8.7-billion surplus, the largest ever, as it continues to ride the wave of high energy revenues.

Finance Minister Shirley McClellan released the figures for the 2005-2006 fiscal year Monday morning. Much of the increase in revenues has come from oil and gas, with resource royalties and other payments hitting a record $14.3 billion.

Most of that money is already committed to a wide range of construction projects and education endowments, but there is still $2.7 billion available for new projects.

That has already stirred speculation of another round of resource rebates for Albertans.

In January, the Alberta government sent $400 cheques — known variously as resource-rebate cheques, prosperity cheques, and "Ralph bucks" — to virtually every man, woman and child in the province.

http://www.expressnews.ualberta.ca/article.cfm?id=6635

With current Alberta oil production at three million barrels a day, and half of that going to the U.S., there is still a surplus available after satisfying domestic needs.

1 million and half barrels a day going to the US. Wow. Bend over America, Alberta is really sticking it to to you. $140 a Barrel oil. Cost of getting the $37. 1.5 million * $103.00. The oil sands companies are making 150 million dollars a day in profits just from the US. Must be nice. Wait, aren't those American and foreign owned oil companies? Translation, profits of no benefit to Canada.

[Wilber]

whowhere, if you owned the tar sands would you sell oil to Canadians for $45 a barrel if someone else would pay you $145? If so, you would go down as the greatest philanthropist in history. Who owns it doesn't matter, what people are willing to pay for it does.

Edited July 18, 2008 by Wilber

[Wild Bill]

http://www.expressnews.ualberta.ca/article.cfm?id=6635

1 million and half barrels a day going to the US. Wow. Bend over America, Alberta is really sticking it to to you. $140 a Barrel oil. Cost of getting the $37. 1.5 million * $103.00. The oil sands companies are making 150 million dollars a day in profits just from the US. Must be nice. Wait, aren't those American and foreign owned oil companies? Translation, profits of no benefit to Canada.

You know, when I hear a view like yours I'm reminded of an incident in my own personal history.

About 10 years ago an American electronic parts distributor opened a Canadian office in Pointe Claire, Quebec. I was hired to be a resident outside salesperson, working from my home in Ontario. After about a year or so I was talking with my boss on the phone one day and he said to me:

"Don't ever let anyone tell you that we're not a Canadian company! I just cut a cheque to Revenue Canada for over half a million dollars. What's more, we're paying for our salaries and we all pay taxes on that as well!"

I always thought that he had a good point. Do you really think that those foreign owned companies get to operate here tax free?

[Wild Bill]

whowhere, if you owned the tar sands would you sell oil to Canadians for $45 a barrel if someone else would pay you $145? If so, you would go down as the greatest philanthropist in history. Who owns it doesn't matter, what people are willing to pay for it does.

Wasn't that the whole issue with the NEP? The Liberals would cheerfully pay world price to Venezuela or Libya but wanted Alberta oil for peanuts.

Worse yet, we here in the East never received any Alberta oil anyway. The Liberals wouldn't pay for a pipeline. They'd rather buy foreign oil for us, sell Alberta oil west or south at a huge profit with such a low cost and use the huge windfall profits to further their own political ends.

[madmax]

Where the hell did I say that we should subsidize the oil fields??

TAX SHIFT !!! :angry:

What do you think that is?

And if that is the only part that you disagree with, "the subsidization of oil", you have not been able to separate it from your argument here or in any other thread regarding Fuel and Tax SHifting.

Come up with your own plan and stop promoting Political Party Policy, that goes against your views. You cannot have it both ways.

But that is the intent of the Liberal "TAX SHAFT"

To fool people. You are either fooled or trying to fool people.

If you are fooled. I apologise.

If you are trying to fool me or spin me, it ain't happening.

[madmax]

Hip Hip Hurrah USA on your larger than expected reserves....to celebrate my wife went out andfilled up at 6 cents a litre cheaper that it was last week,

I never realized how little it takes to make you happy. Where's the "after party" when it goes down 12 cents?

[madmax]

What's the big deal about gas prices anyway? Ever been to Europe?

Good luck, Podner!

Yes, I have been to Europe, and to the US. A fair deal is required, not one that gives the US a better deal on oil, then in our own country. No worries for you either, it's not like the price would go up to European levels, if we ended the freebies and taxbreaks to the oil fields and put on an export tax on the fuel sold.

It's for the good of the environment

[madmax]

I always thought that he had a good point. Do you really think that those foreign owned companies get to operate here tax free?

That oil isn't going anywhere. The is no reason to subsidize the foreign export of oil.

[madmax]

Worse yet, we here in the East never received any Alberta oil anyway. The Liberals wouldn't pay for a pipeline. They'd rather buy foreign oil for us, sell Alberta oil west or south at a huge profit with such a low cost and use the huge windfall profits to further their own political ends.

That's Correct. The East got to see all those wonderful, "Let the Eastern Bastards freeze in the DARK" bumper stickers, all the while the vast majority of our oil purchases came from offshore.

It didn't turn into a windfall either, as world oil prices fell dramatically, and the scare had ended, by the time the program was in effect. Nobody won.

But it has been great political Capital for the West to use for 25 years, against the LPC.

How about a Tax Shift, and a handout to Oil companies to help them Export that oil.

[Pliny]

What's a subsidy?

Government is, economically, a zero sum game. Nothing goes into someone's pocket without getting it from the other pocket or someone else's pocket. There are always winners and losers but of course only producers can possibly be "losers" and only non-producers can possibly be "winners". In true Orwellian fashion only losers are winners and winners are losers, and so the economic wheel spins.

[whowhere]

What is wrong with this picture?

Canada/Alberta sells 1 million barrels a day to china at world prices $140. China turns around and subsidizes the price of oil for its citizens.

http://www.autobloggreen.com/2008/04/23/ch...hile-govt-want/

This blogger says $3.00 US a gallon, some say lower. The fact is, china is subsidizing oil! Because of low fuel prices the so called "emerging middle class" as the North American Elitist like to coin themselves are now buying the gas guzzling SUV's. This further drives up fuel consumption and the demand for China to buy oil. If this trend continues, expect $10 dollar a gallon gasoline for the American people. Continueing imports from china is equivalent to telling your kids to not light fires but you give them matches to play with. The American people and the world is giving the chinese the means to drive up gasoline prices.

Who's selling 1 million barrels to china? Canada's oil companies! At $140 dollars a barrel. Who's subsidizing the so called emerging middle class in China: The American beotch and the greed of Alberta. So as these Chinese live a more elaborate middle class livestyle, more more American's are pushed out of it as their jobs are shipped to lower cost countries.

What the chinese don't understand about the so called American idea of "middle class" is those who propogate it are imperialistic aristocratic pigs. They have an elitist mindset and think they are so much better than everyone else. I would have to say the government tit suckers certainly fall into this "class" of people. These so called elitists have made work something to be ashamed of doing. If you "work" to earn your money you are somehow lower on the corporate heirarchy and treated accordingly. This American/middle class idealism will push China's thirst for oil. Who's going to pay for this. YOU STUPID DUMB ASS F'CKING AMERICANS! YOU will pay for idealism at the pumps.

AS A CANADIAN WHY THE F'CK SHOULD I PAY FOR THE IDEALISMS OF THE UNITED STATES!!

The US sees no wrong in issuing rebate/welfare cheques to Every American. The US sees no wrong in talking about issuing energy rebate/welfare checks to help with the rising cost of energy. If this is not socialism, what is???? The US sees no wrong in having a law requiring all oil produced in the US to be made available to the US for use. For Canada not to do this for Canadians is Hypocritical.

IT'S TIME CANADIANS PASS THE SAME LAW. A law to put the needs of Canadians before the needs of the Imperialistic Americans and the Communist Chinese who wants to become the mirror of the United States (only they are smarter!)

[guyser]

What is wrong with this picture?

In a nutshell?

It lacks sense. Oh and since I will be gone for the weekend, Bye ! (it'll come to you soon)

[M.Dancer]

I never realized how little it takes to make you happy. Where's the "after party" when it goes down 12 cents?

Today it is 10 cents cheaper than last week. No party though, if we fill up once a month it means we had a road trip. In the 9 years we have had this car we have put an incredible 45K on it.....A tad more than I have put on my bicycle in 14 years......I is green.

[White Doors]

whowhere, if you owned the tar sands would you sell oil to Canadians for $45 a barrel if someone else would pay you $145? If so, you would go down as the greatest philanthropist in history. Who owns it doesn't matter, what people are willing to pay for it does.

I'd thank the kind sir and sell it to the Americans. That's money for nuthin!

But that's really what he wants here, money for nuthin.

Dressed up in socialism/nationalism/anti-americanism.

Not sure about the Nationalism as he seems to only care about Ontario. actually, scratch that, 905 commuters.

Edited July 18, 2008 by White Doors

[bush_cheney2004]

...IT'S TIME CANADIANS PASS THE SAME LAW. A law to put the needs of Canadians before the needs of the Imperialistic Americans and the Communist Chinese who wants to become the mirror of the United States (only they are smarter!)

You're not going to pass dick until you figure out the other side of the equation....investment capital, distribution infrastucture, and refining capacity. Also, the cost of producing the oil is rising too. Right now, you can't even get the frickin' oil to China if you wanted to.

As far as $10 per gallon gas...bring it on. Still cheap at twice that price. Alberta isn't going to let commies like you screw up a good thing!

[Guest American Woman]

This American/middle class idealism will push China's thirst for oil. Who's going to pay for this. YOU STUPID DUMB ASS F'CKING AMERICANS! YOU will pay for idealism at the pumps.

AS A CANADIAN WHY THE F'CK SHOULD I PAY FOR THE IDEALISMS OF THE UNITED STATES!!

Reading through this thread, sounds to me as if you're the "fucking dumb ass," not Americans. I suggest you get over your jealousy anger towards Americans since you're only hurting yourself.

The US sees no wrong in issuing rebate/welfare cheques to Every American.

One would think even a "fucking dumb ass" like you would understand the difference between a rebate check and a welfare check. Or are you truly ignorant enough to think that when you get a rebate check from a company for buying their product that you are getting "welfare" money, not money back that you already paid?

IT'S TIME CANADIANS PASS THE SAME LAW. A law to put the needs of Canadians before the needs of the Imperialistic Americans and the Communist Chinese who wants to become the mirror of the United States (only they are smarter!)

So the "Communist Chinese" are smarter than the United States. You actually admire their country/government more than you do ours. Alrighty then. Confirms all I need to know about you.

[whowhere]

You're not going to pass dick until you figure out the other side of the equation....investment capital, distribution infrastucture, and refining capacity. Also, the cost of producing the oil is rising too. Right now, you can't even get the frickin' oil to China if you wanted to.

As far as $10 per gallon gas...bring it on. Still cheap at twice that price. Alberta isn't going to let commies like you screw up a good thing!

Do you even understand what communism is?

Let's look at china's communism. 68 million people are members of the red party. To get into this party is somewhat of a feat. This party runs the economy, passes the laws, and dictates how and where you live. The billion plus other people jump to their skipping rope. Think of communism as one big evil corporation with a pool of slaves to do all its work. The task masters are rewarded with the American/middle class idealism which is taking away american jobs and driving up oil prices.

Screw you, you imperialist commie dog. You would like nothing more for people to continue to roll over while the corporations stick it to the American and Canadian people. People have a vote and we can pass laws. As I am on a thread suggesting we do as the Americans and pass the same law. A law that would benefit Canadians in general. Is a work of democracy pal!

Got that commie

[guyser]

Do you even understand what communism is?

Got that commie

Considering you havent a clue what you are talking about , asking others if they "understand" is kind of pointless. Much like what you post.

When you understand , come on back and we can talk.

[bush_cheney2004]

...Screw you, you imperialist commie dog. You would like nothing more for people to continue to roll over while the corporations stick it to the American and Canadian people. People have a vote and we can pass laws. As I am on a thread suggesting we do as the Americans and pass the same law. A law that would benefit Canadians in general. Is a work of democracy pal!

No, it's more like a dead end circle jerk. I've been to China, and those "commies" are frothing at the mouth to become capitalist pigs just like me. This leaves real COMMIES like you and the NDP without a pot to pee in.

Money talks...bullshit walks...even in Canada!

[White Doors]

Do you even understand what communism is?

Let's look at china's communism. 68 million people are members of the red party. To get into this party is somewhat of a feat. This party runs the economy, passes the laws, and dictates how and where you live. The billion plus other people jump to their skipping rope. Think of communism as one big evil corporation with a pool of slaves to do all its work. The task masters are rewarded with the American/middle class idealism which is taking away american jobs and driving up oil prices.

Screw you, you imperialist commie dog. You would like nothing more for people to continue to roll over while the corporations stick it to the American and Canadian people. People have a vote and we can pass laws. As I am on a thread suggesting we do as the Americans and pass the same law. A law that would benefit Canadians in general. Is a work of democracy pal!

Got that commie

Well judging by people's responses to yoru behaviour in this thread you won't get anything passed. You see, we live in a democracy and if you are a fucking loser then we will let you know that you are a fucking loser.

See?

[whowhere]

Reading through this thread, sounds to me as if you're the "fucking dumb ass," not Americans. I suggest you get over your jealousy anger towards Americans since you're only hurting yourself.

Newsflash honey,

The American GDP only accounts for 24% of the worlds economy. That means the world would get along just fine without you. Your Country corporate scams/fraud shows what to expect from America.

Hurt who me personally or Canada? We will both survive. Canada is sustained because of its resources. All those government tit suckers will still get their pay checks and buy those chinese imports. These tit suckers will continue to prosper even if oil is pushed to $200. They will have the money to live the Aristocratic American Middle Class Idealism.

Personally, I can say what I want, it's called freedom of Expression. Protected by the Charter. Deal with it. Economically, to late. In case you haven't noticed scores of people are being thrown out of work. Because when the tough gets going, that's what american companies do!

One would think even a "fucking dumb ass" like you would understand the difference between a rebate check and a welfare check. Or are you truly ignorant enough to think that when you get a rebate check from a company for buying their product that you are getting "welfare" money, not money back that you already paid?

It's not a company giving you the rebate check, it's the US treasury. That's a Huge difference. If it comes from the government, it's welfare. You call me dumb ass, hahhahahhhhahhahha. Ironically, the Americans spent their rebate/welfare checks predominately at walmart. Where does walmart get its products: CHINA!!! Yeah, looks good on you, tards. Give China more money, so the emerging "middle class" can buy more subsidized gas/oil being bought from Canada. In turn driving up world oil prices and costing the US more to buy the 1 million and half barrels of oil they are bringing in from Alberta.

So ya, you got rebate/welfare checks which has only put the US more in debt, deflated the currency, and ironically pushed up the cost of gas at the pumps. Yep, walks like a duck, talks like a duck, its a duck. !!!!!!!DUMB ASSES!!!! Stupid is, what stupid does.

Go ahead issue more rebate checks and give china more money.

So the "Communist Chinese" are smarter than the United States. You actually admire their country/government more than you do ours. Alrighty then. Confirms all I need to know about you.

When you get your heads out of your ass and recognized you are competing against the minds of 68 million people you will graple the gravity of the situation. The chinese have to be smarter, they have a trillion and half american dollars in their possession. The have a rising emerging middle class, the aristocratic american dream. This middle class is perched on the shoulders of Walmart and any other major company who uses china to outsource their work and import their goods into the United States. The middle class of china is laughing at the United States.