Cult Tipster is an Obama Delegate

[WarBicycle]

Colorado woman is 'person of interest' in polygamist case

(CNN) -- A Colorado woman is being pursued as a "person of interest" in connection with phone calls that triggered the raid of a Texas polygamist ranch, authorities said Friday.

Texas Rangers are seeking Rozita Swinton of Colorado Springs, Colorado, "regarding telephone calls placed to a crisis center hot line in San Angelo, Texas, in late March 2008," the Rangers said in a written statement.

A Rozita Swinton is also an Obama State Delegate, surely this can't be the same woman.

[Shakeyhands]

I don't follow. So what if she was?

[sharkman]

I don't follow. So what if she was?

You don't follow? If this is true, then a whackjob quack broke the law and caused a great deal of persecution to befall this commune, who then may not be guilty of the acts upon which the raid was based. And this quack is tied to the Obama machine, and is yet another red flag to the middle.

[Shakeyhands]

seems to me there were laws being broken and children being raped?

[sharkman]

It seems to you? What evidence besides the media repeating the claims of a tipster who doesn't live on or around the commune? Obama should choose more carefully.

If they find evidence of rape it will now be thrown out of court due to evidence being gathered improperly. The kook tipster has sentenced those children to be returned to an unsafe environment. And do you think the authorities will be as quick to respond the next time, possibly with an authentic call for help? No, they've had their pants yanked down in public, they'll cover their bases and double check next time, giving time for cover up and the caller to get cold feet and change the story.

[guyser]

And do you think the authorities will be as quick to respond the next time, possibly with an authentic call for help? No, they've had their pants yanked down in public, they'll cover their bases and double check next time, giving time for cover up and the caller to get cold feet and change the story.

Maybe the authorities should have double checked the first time. This debacle is all their doing. An anonymous phone call?

At least it wasnt another Waco or Ruby Ridge.

[Oleg Bach]

Maybe the authorities should have double checked the first time. This debacle is all their doing. An anonymous phone call?

At least it wasnt another Waco or Ruby Ridge.

Waco! Yah...nice to see Janey the torch Reno trembling in her old age with a bad case of the dithers...seems God did not like her much.

[sharkman]

Yeah, uh...

Anonymous phone calls happen all the time, ever hear of 911? Authorities have to check them out. Awful quick to blame it all on the tipster when she's the one who made a decision to commit fraud...

[Dog]

There are 14 , 15 and 16 yr old girls with children and some with multiple children according to Texas child protective services what more do you need to know that crimes are taking place ?

[Carinthia]

You don't follow? If this is true, then a whackjob quack broke the law and caused a great deal of persecution to befall this commune, who then may not be guilty of the acts upon which the raid was based. And this quack is tied to the Obama machine, and is yet another red flag to the middle.

This is absurd!

[sharkman]

There are 14 , 15 and 16 yr old girls with children and some with multiple children according to Texas child protective services what more do you need to know that crimes are taking place ?

Look, you know and I know that there are crimes being committed. That is not the point. The point is can it be proven in a court of law. The court will look at the evidence and if it was gathered lawfully. If it was gathered unlawfully, then the court has to throw it out, and the lawbreakers go free.

Since the children were seized under a fraudulent warrant, there is no case.

[guyser]

Yeah, uh...

Anonymous phone calls happen all the time, ever hear of 911? Authorities have to check them out. Awful quick to blame it all on the tipster when she's the one who made a decision to commit fraud...

911....I think I have heard about it.

So, you equate "checking out" an anonymous phone call with 100 cops, an APC and SWAT teams and 400 kids arrested......all without the original complainant.

No , no blunder there.

[sharkman]

No, I did not equate any such thing. Some things I consider to be so obvious in the context of the discussion that I don't bother to mention them.

I assume that the authorities have a set list of qualities that must be met before they even ask a judge for a warrant. And the judge has a list of criteria that must be met before he signs a warrant.

I wasn't counting, was it exactly 100 cops?

And just like an idiot who yells fire in a theatre, a crime was committed by the tipster who set the whole thing off. Weird that she has ties to a political party.

[Dog]

Look, you know and I know that there are crimes being committed. That is not the point. The point is can it be proven in a court of law. The court will look at the evidence and if it was gathered lawfully. If it was gathered unlawfully, then the court has to throw it out, and the lawbreakers go free.

Since the children were seized under a fraudulent warrant, there is no case.

I am not a lawyer but i did live in the southern US for many years . Child Protective Services in the state i lived needed no more then an anonymous tip that children were being abused to enter private property or dwellings . It is surprising the power that some of these govermental agencies have . Heres some advice never fool with the Georgia Fish and Game they have instant search seziure and confiscation powers and bigger guns then the cop too.

[peter_puck]

A Rozita Swinton is also an Obama State Delegate, surely this can't be the same woman.

So far, I have seen you attack Obama for his middle name, his primary school education and the fact that one of his supporters shares the same name as somebody who called a crime hotline. Whats next ? Are we going to explore the views of his barber ?

[sharkman]

No, his spiritual advisor is providing enough ammo for 3 elections.

[Moonlight Graham]

No, his spiritual advisor is providing enough ammo for 3 elections.

The term "spiritual advisor" is so dumb to me. It sounds as if Obama is gonna have this guy in his cabinet or something. Its his freakin' priest.

[sharkman]

Now we are getting somewhere. He sat under this minister's hate speech about the american government engineering aids and then inflicting it on blacks. For 20 years. If you can't see a problem with that then maybe you agree with it.

[Guest American Woman]

Now we are getting somewhere. He sat under this minister's hate speech about the american government engineering aids and then inflicting it on blacks. For 20 years. If you can't see a problem with that then maybe you agree with it.

Your statement is a bit misleading. Wright didn't preach about the government engineering AIDS and then inflicting it on blacks for 20 years; to my knowledge it was only one sermon. If you can show otherwise, I'd appreciate a link.

This is an interesting OP: Rev. Wright deserves some attention (excerpts):

Here's what [Wright] said this week: "Based on the Tuskegee experiment and ... what has happened to Africans in this country, I believe our government is capable of doing anything."

That's not a completely unreasonable perspective. The Tuskegee experiment was a 40-year U.S. Public Health Service study on the effects of untreated syphilis. Who were the lucky human guinea pigs who got to experience untreated syphilis? Poor and mostly illiterate black sharecroppers in Alabama, that's who. They were falsely informed that they had "bad blood," not syphilis, and denied access to the necessary medicine. The study was terminated only in 1972, when an appalled researcher leaked reports to the media.

This, I think, sums up the author's legitimate point:

Feed Wright to the chickens -- but even if it makes us queasy, we should take his theories about the world seriously enough to refute them, carefully and thoughtfully. If we truly want to move beyond the politics of division, we can't afford to do anything less.

Edited May 4, 2008 by American Woman

[Topaz]

You know I'm tired of certain people coming down on Obama about the Reverand and its seems because Obama is a fresh face they can't find anything really serious wrong about him. There's more about Hilary to question and people should be, like her hubby past behaviour as president, why she stayed with a guy that lied to her and the nation. The Clinton's connection to china or the large number of people who have died who know the couple since his time as governor, especially his body guards.

[Guest American Woman]

You know I'm tired of certain people coming down on Obama about the Reverand and its seems because Obama is a fresh face they can't find anything really serious wrong about him. There's more about Hilary to question and people should be, like her hubby past behaviour as president, why she stayed with a guy that lied to her and the nation. The Clinton's connection to china or the large number of people who have died who know the couple since his time as governor, especially his body guards.

Obama is, as you said, a "fresh face," which translates to 'inexperienced;' so people have a right to question his judgement regarding Wright since Obama made him part of his campaign. Still, the author of the OP I cited has a point-- while we can question and criticize Wright in regards to a government appointment, and while we can criticize the man, we have to refute what he says rather than just dismiss it along with him; we have that obligation to the blacks as a nation, considering the percentage of blacks who believe it and what the government has done in the past.

As for your claims about Hillary and the Clintons-- I know I have on at least one occassion linked to the snopes site that disproves your claim about 'all the people who have died...' rumor, and Hillary has every right to stay with her husband-- that's a private matter, and if everyone whose spouse cheated on them got divorced, the divorce rate would be even higher than it is now. As for Clinton's connection to China-- that's a new one on me, but from what I've already disputed about what you said, it's clear to me that you are doing the same thing to Hillary as the "certain people" you are "tired of" regarding Obama.

[sharkman]

Your statement is a bit misleading. Wright didn't preach about the government engineering AIDS and then inflicting it on blacks for 20 years; to my knowledge it was only one sermon. If you can show otherwise, I'd appreciate a link.

This is an interesting OP: Rev. Wright deserves some attention (excerpts):

Here's what [Wright] said this week: "Based on the Tuskegee experiment and ... what has happened to Africans in this country, I believe our government is capable of doing anything."

That's not a completely unreasonable perspective. The Tuskegee experiment was a 40-year U.S. Public Health Service study on the effects of untreated syphilis. Who were the lucky human guinea pigs who got to experience untreated syphilis? Poor and mostly illiterate black sharecroppers in Alabama, that's who. They were falsely informed that they had "bad blood," not syphilis, and denied access to the necessary medicine. The study was terminated only in 1972, when an appalled researcher leaked reports to the media.

This, I think, sums up the author's legitimate point:

Feed Wright to the chickens -- but even if it makes us queasy, we should take his theories about the world seriously enough to refute them, carefully and thoughtfully. If we truly want to move beyond the politics of division, we can't afford to do anything less.

The Tuskegee experiment went on for 40 years? That is truly disgusting. A controlled experiment with a set number of subjects is worlds away from releasing an incurable disease by a government on its own people. Or strike that, on the blacks only? How can you rationally think it was on the blacks only when gays, drug users and who knows what other groups are in danger of it? There is no rational way to come to this conclusion, except with the aid of paranoia.

And this doesn't explain Wrights thoughts on all of his other nut job theories, when you look at them as a whole you see a bitter, paranoid, racist, activist who embarrasses the church whose pulpit he ranted from.

Obama's attendance at this church reveals, at best, bad judgement on Obama's part and at worst, a closet racist who blames America's challenges on things like "white greed". Either one are enough to raise a red flag for any reasonable person.

Edited May 4, 2008 by sharkman

[Guest American Woman]

The Tuskegee experiment went on for 40 years? That is truly disgusting. A controlled experiment with a set number of subjects is worlds away from releasing an incurable disease by a government on its own people. Or strike that, on the blacks only? How can you rationally think it was on the blacks only when gays, drug users and who knows what other groups are in danger of it? There is no rational way to come to this conclusion, except with the aid of paranoia.

It is disgusting, to say the least. And while you and I may think a "controlled experiment" is "world's away" from "releasing an incurable disease on blacks by a government," I'm not black, so I don't know that I would perceive the two as "world away" if I were black, under the circumstances. So I don't think AIDS is on blacks only, I realize it affects others, so I don't think it's a rational conclusion; but the rate that it's affected blacks truly is astronomical, so I'm saying I can understand why the issue should be addressed, why it should be refuted instead of simply dismissed, in light of the number of blacks who believe it's true/possible. No matter how ludicrous it may seem, I would have thought the Tuskegee experiment just as unbelievable.

And this doesn't explain Wrights thoughts on all of his other nut job theories, when you look at them as a whole you see a bitter, paranoid, racist, activist who embarrasses the church whose pulpit he ranted from.

I agree. Even the author of the OP doesn't go easy on Wright himself, but her point is that his shortcomings don't mean some of the issues he's brought up should also be dismissed.

Obama's attendance at this church reveals, at best, bad judgement on Obama's part and at worst, a closet racist who blames America's challenges on things like "white greed". Either one are enough to raise a red flag for any reasonable person.

I honestly don't care about Obama's attendance at Wright's church; I would consider that his 'private life' had he not given Wright a role in his campaign.

Edited May 4, 2008 by American Woman

[Topaz]

Obama said today on NBC, he doesn't agree with the Reverend and its plain to see now they don't see eye to eye in their ideas, of bring the country together so he is parting with the Reverend but staying with the church where there is a new Reverend. I think Obama could be a great president, he caring, has compassion and has the drive to over come the nasty time of politics.

[M.Dancer]

Obama said today on NBC, he doesn't agree with the Reverend and its plain to see now they don't see eye to eye in their ideas, of bring the country together so he is parting with the Reverend but staying with the church where there is a new Reverend. I think Obama could be a great president, he caring, has compassion and has the drive to over come the nasty time of politics.

And it only took him 20 years...How will he be able to form an opinion when president given he will only get 4- 8 years..?