RCMP raids Tory party headquarters

[jdobbin]

Yeah, that always works. Before calling up the media bureacrats always hold meetings to discuss their intentions, then document them so there's evidence.

We keep hearing there was a call, an email, a text message. Surely this would be exposed in a raid.

It's just intersting that all of a sudden almost every post you make references the "right wing". This is a noticeably new tactic and I'm wondering when you guys were told to incorporate this into your neverending smear campaign against the Tories.

I've been saying right wing for years and throughout my posts in this forum. You're welcome to look all the way to when I first started posting because it is there. I did it in response to the right wing's use of left wing or leftie or liberal as an identifier.

[Argus]

HAhahahahaha LMFAO hahahaha. That is as good a joke as I have heard in a loooooooooong time.

I think the implication was no reasonable person doubted it.

[Argus]

Seems to be a winning strategy. The Liberals are now in the lead in the polls.

So you admit that's your strategy?

And if the Liberals were in the lead in the polls we'd be in an election right now. The reason they keep chickening out is because they know they'd wind up with fewer MPs than they have now.

Then the knives would come out for Stephan!

[Argus]

Slinging mud was enough last election. It is what the RCMP did to Ralph Goodale despite what the Complaints Commissioner said was a lack of evidence. It handed the Tories a victory after the Liberals dropped 10 point immediately after.

What the RCMP announced was that they were launching a criminal probe into the leak of information about Goodale's about-face on income trusts. They specifically said they were not looking at Goodale. They wound up arresting a bureacrat from Finance - which, btw, in the old days of ministerial responsibility would have instantly required the resignation of the Finance Minister.

It seems many women are already thinking that Harper is a poor choice.

And men of all ages, ethnicities, income brackets and education levels think Dion is a wimp and can't stand him.

[jdobbin]

So you admit that's your strategy?

I have no idea what the strategy is. I'm not a member of the party at the moment nor privy to what they have planned. I suspect that even if the Liberals were in front by a lot, there would still be Quebec Liberals looking to dump Dion simply because they don't want to be tied to his stance on the Clarity Act.

And if the Liberals were in the lead in the polls we'd be in an election right now. The reason they keep chickening out is because they know they'd wind up with fewer MPs than they have now.

Then the knives would come out for Stephan!

The last few polls have suggested the Liberals would have more MPs and so would the Tories. The NDP was forecast to lose seats.

That was in last week's Unimarketing poll.

Wednesday's Decima poll had the Liberals up 3 points even before the raid. Women are abandoning the Tories in droves according to that poll.

[jdobbin]

What the RCMP announced was that they were launching a criminal probe into the leak of information about Goodale's about-face on income trusts. They specifically said they were not looking at Goodale. They wound up arresting a bureacrat from Finance - which, btw, in the old days of ministerial responsibility would have instantly required the resignation of the Finance Minister.

Wrong. The RCMP named Goodale as being the subject of a criminal investigation.

And men of all ages, ethnicities, income brackets and education levels think Dion is a wimp and can't stand him.

Many women, especially older women, think Harper sits down to a meal of cats every day.

Edited April 18, 2008 by jdobbin

[Topaz]

I look forward to watching "Question Period" to see Dryden stand up and try to get the PM to answer the question "Please explain the words you used on the tape about Cadman and what you meant by them"? Its getting embarrassing for the PM so much so, he hasn't been much this week but he's busy with the raid. When Ken asked the PM the second time for an answer he says, don't sit there, shrinking in your seat, tell the people what you meant by YOUR words!

[Qwerty]

I look forward to any interview Dion gives. He has about a 75% chance of putting his size 11's into his yap.

[scribblet]

It looks like 'angry' has produced some evidence here that all parties do engage in similar campaign practices, but only the CPC have been targetted

Here, he presents evidence of how the Liberals and the NDP engage in their own In-and-Out funding efforts

http://stevejanke.com/archives/246538.php

[noahbody]

Slinging mud was enough last election. It is what the RCMP did to Ralph Goodale despite what the Complaints Commissioner said was a lack of evidence. It handed the Tories a victory after the Liberals dropped 10 point immediately after.

If it was an isolated incident, it wouldn't have had any traction. It was the last straw for many though. Be thankful though, no matter how much you love your party or dislike Harper, he can drive the bus. Think of him as a necessary evil. Because Dion would have been a disaster for Canada.

[DrGreenthumb]

If it was an isolated incident, it wouldn't have had any traction. It was the last straw for many though. Be thankful though, no matter how much you love your party or dislike Harper, he can drive the bus. Think of him as a necessary evil. Because Dion would have been a disaster for Canada.

Harper HAS been a disaster for Canada. It will take many years of Liberal majorities to undue the damage to our country that Harper and his Conservatives have done.

[madmax]

Huh? There were plenty of people who smelled something with adscam. Unlike this situation, the Liberals had a long track record of taxpayer waste which raised suspicions. Here, hard left liberals are suspicious simply because it's the hated CPC.

There were plenty of people who smelled something. Media types, policy wonks, and a small % of the public comparatively. Nothing to go beyond the apathetic, all government does that, and besides Mulroney wasn't any better attitudes.

You are correct, the long track record, the numerous allegations finally came home to roost, politically, electorally, after Chretian and during the Martin Era.

With regards to you last sentence, it is a reasonable statement. And the reverse of it is also true when there is scrutiny towards LPC going ons. That is typical of these forums and political advocates/hacks.

[HisSelf]

Good thing they watered down that Accountability Act, eh?

[sharkman]

Harper HAS been a disaster for Canada. It will take many years of Liberal majorities to undue the damage to our country that Harper and his Conservatives have done.

What are you smoking? Oh yeah, nevermind.

[madmax]

Slinging mud was enough last election. It is what the RCMP did to Ralph Goodale despite what the Complaints Commissioner said was a lack of evidence. It handed the Tories a victory after the Liberals dropped 10 point immediately after.

If you think that the 06 Election results are related to the RCMP and Goodale, you and Liberal strategists will find yourself suffering an enoromous electoral defeat. In 04 LPC went from Majority to Minority. In 06 in what was a well planned campaign, most of the failures occurred because of the portrayal of Martin as an ineffectual ditherer, after becoming the Prime Minister. His strength as Finance Minister, or even portraying him has handling many files as Prime Minister were not adovated. Even the Adscam wasn't the biggest cause in drop of popular support.

The campaign was a repeat campaign of 04 where the LPC thought that attacking the NDP was the avenue to success instead of going holding onto their right wing voters. They lost more of these to the CPC because they failed to capitalize on their economic record. That is the LPCs strategist failure.

THe RCMP raid isn't going to affect the polls in an election, and the only ruffled feathers here are the hardcore CPC supporters.

The strategy of mud slinging is to win a war of attrittion. It lowers voter turnout and the goal is to have more of your voters turn out then the other party has turned off. The LPC has been very successful at slinging mud, taking things out of context to form a negative view of the CPC leader.

Not any different then what CPC strategist are doing with Dion

[jdobbin]

If it was an isolated incident, it wouldn't have had any traction. It was the last straw for many though. Be thankful though, no matter how much you love your party or dislike Harper, he can drive the bus. Think of him as a necessary evil. Because Dion would have been a disaster for Canada.

It was the RCMP brass trying to influence the election. Even the Commissioner's own staff left Goodale's name off the letter to the NDP MP because they had no evidence to support an investigation against the Finance minster. The Commissioner put the name in himself and later refused to answer questions as to why he did it. He also refused to answer questions about why to announce an investigation at all when the RCMP had often refused to confirm or deny they were investigating something.

[jdobbin]

If you think that the 06 Election results are related to the RCMP and Goodale, you and Liberal strategists will find yourself suffering an enoromous electoral defeat. In 04 LPC went from Majority to Minority. In 06 in what was a well planned campaign, most of the failures occurred because of the portrayal of Martin as an ineffectual ditherer, after becoming the Prime Minister. His strength as Finance Minister, or even portraying him has handling many files as Prime Minister were not adovated. Even the Adscam wasn't the biggest cause in drop of popular support.

The campaign was a repeat campaign of 04 where the LPC thought that attacking the NDP was the avenue to success instead of going holding onto their right wing voters. They lost more of these to the CPC because they failed to capitalize on their economic record. That is the LPCs strategist failure.

Nik Nanos, whose company accurately predicted the results of the election, says it was the RCMP intervention in the election that led to a Tory minority because Liberal support dropped immediately after the announcement.

The campaign was a complete disaster of organization and misfires but Martin led Harper in popularity right till the last week of the election. The party dropped 10 points after Goodale was named. At the beginning of the election, a number of polls had the Liberals in majority support.

Nanos said the RCMP investigation announcement led to a Liberal collapse.

THe RCMP raid isn't going to affect the polls in an election, and the only ruffled feathers here are the hardcore CPC supporters.

You're right. Women started abandoning the Tories even before the raid started according to Decima.

The strategy of mud slinging is to win a war of attrittion. It lowers voter turnout and the goal is to have more of your voters turn out then the other party has turned off. The LPC has been very successful at slinging mud, taking things out of context to form a negative view of the CPC leader.

Not any different then what CPC strategist are doing with Dion

Very true. And exactly what the NDP, Greens and Bloc do.

Edited April 18, 2008 by jdobbin

[noahbody]

Harper HAS been a disaster for Canada. It will take many years of Liberal majorities to undue the damage to our country that Harper and his Conservatives have done.

What damage is that? Please elaborate.

You do realize Harper fixed the Liberals Kyoto mess, don't you? That saved ten to twenty billion in credits alone. Any idea how much pot that would buy?

Edited April 18, 2008 by noahbody

[Shakeyhands]

ha... oh the timing!!!

http://www.nationalpost.com/nationalpost/s....html?id=455595

[Shakeyhands]

Harper HAS been a disaster for Canada. It will take many years of Liberal majorities to undue the damage to our country that Harper and his Conservatives have done.

little overboard no?

[White Doors]

What damage is that? Please elaborate.

You do realize Harper fixed the Liberals Kyoto mess, don't you? That saved ten to twenty billion in credits alone. Any idea how much pot that would buy?

Allow me

"mandaTORY minimum sentences for growing your own weed plant"

[jdobbin]

ha... oh the timing!!!

http://www.nationalpost.com/nationalpost/s....html?id=455595

Yes, I just saw that on the news now.

If one were a conspiracy theorist like the right wing, we might say that the RCMP are trying to help their Tory buddies. Ha.

Edited April 18, 2008 by jdobbin

[DrGreenthumb]

What are you smoking? Oh yeah, nevermind.

More personal attacks, instead of just insulting me over pot why not try justify your parties position that people should face mandaTORY jail time for using or growing it?

[White Doors]

More personal attacks, instead of just insulting me over pot why not try justify your parties position that people should face mandaTORY jail time for using or growing it?

lol

see?

Drgreenie, you take a break from the forums and I will post for you.

Cool?

[noahbody]

If one were a conspiracy theorist like the right wing, we might say that the RCMP are trying to help their Tory buddies. Ha.

Some lefties on this forum are conspiracy theorists as well.

It was the RCMP brass trying to influence the election.

Oh wait, that's you.