Marc Emery Extradition

[Guest American Woman]

By referring people to Marc Emery they broke international agreements to fight drug use. As I understand it signatory nations like the US, are obliged to charge criminals that conspire to traffic drugs. It sounds like Health Canada conspired to do so.

I don't think the U.S. is asking to have anyone extradited who hasn't broken the law in the U.S., and Health Canada hasn't broken the law in the U.S. Had Emery not broken the law here, I'm sure the U.S. wouldn't care at all what he did in Canada. I'm sure the U.S. wouldn't even be aware of him. But the fact is he knew he was breaking the law in the U.S.; he chose to do it. I can't think of any reason why he should be above the law here; why he should be treated any differently than anyone else who's doing the same thing in the U.S. What if an American were mailing firearms into Canada despite Canada's gun laws?-- Do you think he'd be above Canadian law?

Edited April 20, 2008 by American Woman

[eyeball]

I don't think the U.S. is asking to have anyone extradited who hasn't broken the law in the U.S., and Health Canada hasn't broken the law in the U.S. Had Emery not broken the law here, I'm sure the U.S. wouldn't care at all what he did in Canada. I'm sure the U.S. wouldn't even be aware of him. But the fact is he knew he was breaking the law in the U.S.; he chose to do it. I can't think of any reason why he should be above the law here; why he should be treated any differently than anyone else who's doing the same thing in the U.S.

I just don't think Emery should be extradited and I'm trying to come up with anything that might slow down the process. So should all people who value freedom and justice, as opposed to just obeying the law.

I'm ashamed of my country's government and I thoroughly despise yours. Laws against pot were crafted due to your governments fears that marijuana does things like cause white women to seek sexual relations with negros or will make you likely to kill your brother...these are things your federal officials actually said - these are the reasons they publicly gave for outlawing it. Sure they may have politically corrected (barely) some of their rhetoric since then but so what?

Look, I know its not your fault personally, its your governments...but its impossible to forget that as a democratic people you are responsible for the actions of your government. You sound like your defending it when you should be ashamed of it.

What if an American were mailing firearms into Canada despite Canada's gun laws?-- Do you think he'd be above Canadian law?

No, but that doesn't change the fact he probably still would be. Can you imagine your government would actually extradite someone in this case? I'd have to see evidence of this having occured to believe it.

[capricorn]

Look, I know its not your fault personally, its your governments...but its impossible to forget that as a democratic people you are responsible for the actions of your government. You sound like your defending it when you should be ashamed of it.

Are you serious? You mean that I, as a citizen of a democratic country, should take responsibility for Adscam, the HRDC boondogle, the sponsorhip scandal and other Liberal corruption? Give your head a shake!

[Guest American Woman]

I just don't think Emery should be extradited and I'm trying to come up with anything that might slow down the process. So should all people who value freedom and justice, as opposed to just obeying the law.

You do realize it was all about the almighty dollar with Emery, right? He was no 'hero,' just another capitalist out to make a buck, hiding behind the security of his country.

I'm ashamed of my country's government and I thoroughly despise yours. Laws against pot were crafted due to your governments fears that marijuana does things like cause white women to seek sexual relations with negros or will make you likely to kill your brother...these are things your federal officials actually said - these are the reasons they publicly gave for outlawing it. Sure they may have politically corrected (barely) some of their rhetoric since then but so what?

It's interesting that you're only "ashamed" of your country's government while you "despise" mine. But I'm curious-- how far back did you have to go to get my "government's fears" regarding marijuana? Because I'd like the be able to go that far back in Canada's history.

Are you aware that these days there are parts of the U.S. that are every bit as lenient as parts of Canada regarding pot?

Look, I know its not your fault personally, its your governments...but its impossible to forget that as a democratic people you are responsible for the actions of your government. You sound like your defending it when you should be ashamed of it.

If it's not my fault personally, how can I be responsible for it? And by the same token, are you responsible for Harper's views/actions? Furtrhermore, I'm not defending anything, including Emery. He broke the law in our country and I don't think anyone has the right to hide behind their own country when they do that. Had he confined his dealings within Canada, he'd only have Canada to deal with.

QUOTE: What if an American were mailing firearms into Canada despite Canada's gun laws?-- Do you think he'd be above Canadian law?

No, but that doesn't change the fact he probably still would be. Can you imagine your government would actually extradite someone in this case? I'd have to see evidence of this having occured to believe it.

So if you don't think an American breaking Canadian laws should be above Canadian law, it makes me wonder why you think a Canadian breaking American laws should be above it. As for whether or not I think the U.S. would extradite someone in the case I cited is really irrelevant, because I don't know if Canada is going to extradite Emery either, but I do know I wouldn't be advocating not extraditing an American who knowingly and purposely broke Canadian law in Canada.

Edited April 20, 2008 by American Woman

[BubberMiley]

Are you aware that these days there are parts of the U.S. that are every bit as lenient as parts of Canada regarding pot?

That's not true. There's nowhere in Canada as lenient as New York State or California. Even in B.C. you are subject to the Criminal Code and a criminal record for possession of small amounts.

CPCers, however, would argue that Canadians should not have the liberties of U.S. citizens because the U.S. government has stated a preference that they don't.

[HisSelf]

What we have here is a case of US Law Enforcement agents coming in to our sovereign territory and entrapping a Canadian citizen into breaking a US law. Apparently these idiots think this is Afghanistan. But then they think everywhere is Afghanistan, don't they? Boogada boogada!

We need a law making it illegal for a foreign law enforcement agency to operate under cover on our sovereign soil.

Edited April 21, 2008 by HisSelf

[Wilber]

When you put it that way it does sound stupid, but what about fighting and possibly dying for the right to be left alone by the state, which is what he's effectively doing? Put that way, what he's doing sounds a little more worthwhile don't you think?

No. I think there are far more worthy things to risk ones life and liberty for. Ones which would really help peoples lot in life. This one is pure self indulgence. That said, I really don't have a big problem with legalization as long as the same kind of mechanisms are set up to test for impairment as we have for alcohol and the same penalties are applied.

[Zachary Young]

"You do realize it was all about the almighty dollar with Emery, right? He was no 'hero,' just another capitalist out to make a buck, hiding behind the security of his country."

You say that is if it's a crime - instead of the lifeblood of our society! It is capitalism that provides you this computer you use to deride the people who brought it to you. The entrepreneurs. Milton Friedman, hardly a bleary eyed liberal, once declared "A drug dealer is no different than anyone else, except their tolerance of risk was greater, and they had more entrepreneurial ability", in an interview on the PBS television show 'Uncommon Knowledge'. But that's a sad testimony of our society, that the men who make it possible are scorned as 'just another capitalist'.

[Zachary Young]

"We need a law making it illegal for a foreign law enforcement agency to operate under cover on our sovereign soil."

Here here! We've never really had sovereignty though, so I doubt we'll have it any time soon. Just as we were shaking off the last traces of British Colonialism we walked right into American domination. That's why we have the war on drugs in the first place, in my opinion. We're just letting Washington domestic policy. Now we're letting them dictate foreign policy too. I really don't know why we pay our politicians such high salaries if they are going to let other countries make the decisions.

[eyeball]

It's interesting that you're only "ashamed" of your country's government while you "despise" mine. But I'm curious-- how far back did you have to go to get my "government's fears" regarding marijuana? Because I'd like the be able to go that far back in Canada's history.

You're right, both our governments are pretty dispicable and of course its not your fault.

In Canada it was a Liberal government that criminalized pot without Parliamentary debate in 1923, almost 15 years before the US using the same sorts of henious racist arguments your Harry J. Anslinger used to justify your war on pot. Our most famous nut-bar was Emily Murphy a feminist racist that became the first magistrate in the British Empire. She's commemorated on an edition of our $50 bill.

Liberals... Prohibition in Canada was based on the public's 'fear' of immigrants. Somehow its easy to picture the Conservatives back in 1923 sitting there and meekly letting the Liberals initiate this racial engineering project without so much as a peep. Nowadays of course, they'd have you believe the Liberals are going soft.

As G.K. Chesterton said "the business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of the Conservatives is to prevent the mistakes from being corrected."

We're all gonna die.

[Fain]

The child experimenting with pot would be like, "being high on drugs is fun, what's the other one like" or "geez, being lazy is fun" Society doesn't want the same fight in 30-50 years with say ecstasy or cocaine, users of that stuff think the same way pot users do.

Then child gets hooked on mj due to all the fun they have, and boom I have another junkie that my tax dollars have to support.

They made booze legal now everyone drinks it. Like it or not there are some people who don't smoke pot because it's illegal, why risk making them junkies by legalizing it. The laws are fine the way they are, if you don't like them emmigrate. Every chronic user of pot I've ever seen has been the laziest piece of garbage I've ever seen, and they feel entitled to government handouts, and they are the most dangerous people to work with. I feel sorry for people that have to resort to drugs to get them through the day, I didn't realize reality was so hard for some people.

I'm proud of being part of the establishment, it pays extremely well, and I get to laugh at the pot culture hypocrites who push their garbage culture on the rest of us while bitching and complaining the whole time about the "establishment pushing their rules on us"

You sound like an idiot. who the hell cares but you idiots who don't know shit bout the economy or ethics. Pot's a personal decison anyone can make. Not ppl like you to make it for them. Drugs can be recreationally enjoyable and medically useful. We even have the "establishment" growing it. I'm sorry but your a dying breed of society. Not one that i'm gonna miss

[Zachary Young]

"Then child gets hooked on mj due to all the fun they have, and boom I have another junkie that my tax dollars have to support."

lol @ calling someone who smokes pot a 'junkie', how out of touch with reality are you?

[Qwerty]

You're right, both our governments are pretty dispicable and of course its not your fault.

In Canada it was a Liberal government that criminalized pot without Parliamentary debate in 1923, almost 15 years before the US using the same sorts of henious racist arguments your Harry J. Anslinger used to justify your war on pot. Our most famous nut-bar was Emily Murphy a feminist racist that became the first magistrate in the British Empire. She's commemorated on an edition of our $50 bill.

Liberals... Prohibition in Canada was based on the public's 'fear' of immigrants. Somehow its easy to picture the Conservatives back in 1923 sitting there and meekly letting the Liberals initiate this racial engineering project without so much as a peep. Nowadays of course, they'd have you believe the Liberals are going soft.

As G.K. Chesterton said "the business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of the Conservatives is to prevent the mistakes from being corrected."

We're all gonna die.

You have to understand that LPC then were closer to the CPC of today. Since WWII political parties in most of the civilized nations countries started to step to the left until recently they are starting to sway back to the right.

[Zachary Young]

"You have to understand that LPC then were closer to the CPC of today."

They were 'classical liberal' back then, free trade and free markets that sort of stuff. European liberals, as it were.