Marc Emery Extradition

[blueblood]

Illicit is changing what you wrote. Semantics maybe , but the fact is when you have a headache or a sore tooth you reach for the Advil. Ok you could be the .02% who might not.

But you are okay with alcohol being pushed on you all the while knowing that booze is X times worse for society?

Not to mention buying.....

-tickets for the Molson Indy

-tickets for the Du Maurier film festival

Emery does not push anything on anyone, at least not that I have ever witnessed a commercial or advert of his. It is not a bs culture, unless you consider all forms of entertainment bs. It may bs to you , but that does not make it bs overall.

A hypocrite I dont agree with. The facts are Emery operated in full view and knowledge of police. It was only when someone else from outside this country decided "we" needed to do something about him that our people did something. They should have said MYOB. Or , show us the injured party.

Now if you want to talk about boiler rooms and how we are a haven for them, with resulting real injuries to Canucks and Americans alike, well then we would have something.

If you don't think Franklin Graham doesn't push stuff when he flaps his gums, then you have a point. I seen the CBC documentary on him, and wasn't too impressed. I'll put him on the same wavelength as Franklin Graham. "That" culture is bs to me and bs to some people, that's opinion, just like the "country" culture is bs to some city people.

I personally don't agree with booze or smokes advertising like that. They took out Winston from Nascar and changed it to the Sprint cup series and rightfully so.

The fact is from his performance on that documentary, he is pushing and hard. If he wants to partake in that, then he has no right to bitch about the establishment pushing back. I've seen from many stoners who think it's perfectly acceptable to push their crap on me, and at the same time scream bloody murder at "the establishment" pushing non drug use and a healthier lifestyle. If that's not a hypocrite I don't know what is.

You feel influenced by "culture" that you perceive to be "pushed" on you? What, are you a teenage girl?

About as much as a girl as you do when you bitch about the establishment pushing that people don't smoke j's and live a healthier lifestyle.

Go to any highschool and get a kid to test your theory. You will have pot in minutes but it could take you days to find someone who can get served alcohol.

You sir, have never been to a rural school. If you want anything bad enough you can get it pretty quickly.

[Who's Doing What?]

You sir, have never been to a rural school. If you want anything bad enough you can get it pretty quickly.

The school I went to had 1500 people, some bussed in from as far as 20+min away by car. So I don't know how much more rural you want, but it sure as hell wasn't an urban school. Although the more rural the area the more places there are to grow dope therefore I would think it would make it even more available and due to ease of access "the drug of choice" for students.

Sure I used to be able to get alcohol while in high school. It would sometimes take days of trying to find someone who either had an older sibling willing to get it or just hanging out by the liquor store and "fishing". It would always cost about $5 more than store price.

OR

I could ask three or four people, who around had some good weed, and I would be making a deal in the washroom before lunch was over.

Not legalizing pot is what is keeping it so accessible to our youth.

[M.Dancer]

Totally wrong.

Go to any highschool and get a kid to test your theory. You will have pot in minutes but it could take you days to find someone who can get served alcohol.

Growing up in Montreal, I would say it would be tie mainly because of the legal age being 18.

[Drea]

About as much as a girl as you do when you bitch about the establishment pushing that people don't smoke j's and live a healthier lifestyle.

You sir, have never been to a rural school. If you want anything bad enough you can get it pretty quickly.

No one is pushing any one human being to smoke marijuana -- people only want to be able to partake in it without being labelled criminals. No one is forcing you to partake.

No one is forcing me into a healthy lifestyle either -- ads on TV, while they can be used for education, don't FORCE me to run 5 miles every morning... so I do not understand how you think healthy lifestyles are FORCED upon people -- encouraged maybe, but not forced.

I went to a rural school. Weed was easier to get than beer. With booze a teen has to find a gullible adult to buy it for them.. with weed the teen just has to find someone who has it.

The only way to protect our children from marijuana use is to legalize it and regulate it's distribution.

A while back some good anti-weed ads were running... good idea imo. As long as I, as an adult, can purchase the product, I do not care what kind of ads run... I see the cancer mouth ad and as an adult I make an informed decision whether or not to smoke tobacco.

Why would you stop me (an adult) from making an informed decision whether or not to smoke pot. Why force me not to? What's in it for you if I don't? What damage to you if I do?

[DrGreenthumb]

It makes small people happy to feel like they are the boss of somebody. People like blueblood whine that they percieve others as telling them what to do but are the loudest advocates for forcing their own will on others.

We will never convince buffoons like that that we have a right to free choice in medicine, but having them come onto threads like this and spout their ignorance helps us to show other people what kind of morons support the prohibition.

In this country we have a justice system that allows us to challenge laws we don't think are just by getting charged and getting before a judge who after hearing arguments decides if the law violates our human rights guaranteed by the Charter(another thing probably hated by blueblood types) That is our system, that is what Marc Emery should be given the chance to do. The government is trying to do an end run around our justice system and deny Marc his right to a trial. That disgusts me.

Marc is speaking for millions who can't speak for themselves, advocating for a persecuted minority, he is not trying to force anyone to smoke pot, only trying to get the state to stop arresting those of us who do. Marc is on the side of freedom. Blueblood, like most conservative party supporters is on the side of oppression. We will see who history sees as the hero and villain.

Its already painfully obvious that Marc is the better man.

Edited March 12, 2008 by DrGreenthumb

[eyeball]

Getting booze when I was a kid growing up in Toronto simply involved going to the government liquor store that was just north of the railway bridge that crosses Yonge Street near the Summerhill subway station. There was a fairly brisk trade involving kids and homeless folks (we called them wino's in those days). They would buy our booze in exchange for paying for theirs. This seemed to draw in buyers and sellers from miles around which probably explains why drug dealers were attracted to the place making it a natural one-stop shop for anyone looking to get loaded.

Kids in the small town of 1800 peoople I moved to didn't seem to have any trouble finding booze or drugs. 35 years later things don't look like they've changed much.

Does anyone know if that liquor store on Yonge St is still there? If it is you can bet its probably still spinning off a thriving underground substance trade. Alcohol has always been amongst the very first stepping stones found inside the Gateway.

I think the Gate itself is in our heads and the very first taste kids get of that is when they deliberately make themselves feel dizzy, or funny as some kids put it. The next thing you know the little twerps are experimenting with blackouts and flat-lining. Anyone here buy that ticket and take that ride?

I think the quintessential path to drugs is the thrill of illicit behaviour which is somethng that very first filched cigarette facilitates. Kids know damn well they shouldn't be smoking and that initial thrill of illicit behaviour they feel is reinforced with that first rush of nicotine to the brain. Its probably very easy for a young developing mind to get hooked to risk with this complex mix of brain chemicals, drugs and lack of oxygen that feels...nauseous at first as I recall, but pretty cool nonetheless. One step leads to another...filched butts naturally lead to filched booze and before you know it..."hey kid, if you think that's cool, try this..."

Cracking down on feeling dizzy of course will probably only encourage kids but I notice that hasn't stopped some parents from trying. Perhaps the government should step in and do something. At the very least they might want to think twice about where they locate some of their liquor stores.

Edited March 12, 2008 by eyeball

[M.Dancer]

Does anyone know if that liquor store on Yonge St is still there? If it is you can bet its probably still spinning off a thriving underground substance trade. Alcohol has always been amongst the very first stepping stones found inside the Gateway.

10 Scrivener Square is one of the largest liquor stores in Canada, with wine tasting, scotch nosing and secial events rooms.

It's also one of the hardest to get served in if you have been drinking or look under 25.

Times have changed even for Rosedale...

Even the clock works now....

http://www.emporis.com/images/6/2005/06/374752.jpg

[AngusThermopyle]

Cracking down on feeling dizzy of course will probably only encourage kids but I notice that hasn't stopped some parents from trying. Perhaps the government should step in and do something.

What! I say what!

Are you seriously suggesting that the government legislate dizziness?

Does this make you a supporter of smaller less intrusive government?

Gotta say that your statement quite simply astounds me.

Just how would you propose they do this? Perhaps come out with a portable "Dizzilyzer" machine they could keep next to the Breathalyzer.

Edited March 12, 2008 by AngusThermopyle

[blueblood]

It makes small people happy to feel like they are the boss of somebody. People like blueblood whine that they percieve others as telling them what to do but are the loudest advocates for forcing their own will on others.

We will never convince buffoons like that that we have a right to free choice in medicine, but having them come onto threads like this and spout their ignorance helps us to show other people what kind of morons support the prohibition.

In this country we have a justice system that allows us to challenge laws we don't think are just by getting charged and getting before a judge who after hearing arguments decides if the law violates our human rights guaranteed by the Charter(another thing probably hated by blueblood types) That is our system, that is what Marc Emery should be given the chance to do. The government is trying to do an end run around our justice system and deny Marc his right to a trial. That disgusts me.

Marc is speaking for millions who can't speak for themselves, advocating for a persecuted minority, he is not trying to force anyone to smoke pot, only trying to get the state to stop arresting those of us who do. Marc is on the side of freedom. Blueblood, like most conservative party supporters is on the side of oppression. We will see who history sees as the hero and villain.

Its already painfully obvious that Marc is the better man.

Too bad Emery was found guilty in the states at a fair trial in front of a judge.

Holy shit, I don't think registering trailers should be law, I don't think wearing seatbelts should be law, and I don't think I should be forced to use the Canadian Wheat Board. But those are the laws and I follow them. The consequenses sort of suck.

I don't support the legalization of MJ, because I would rather have the argument of having MJ legalized or not rather than the other stuff down the line. This sets a dangerous precedent and the gov't is doing the right thing by not budging.

The Charter also supports the freedom of mobility. If this country is too oppressive for pot smokers, by all means leave.

Ignorance, I look around town, who has money and who is a skid. Guess what all the skids have in common, all MJ users. I'm also advocating freedom, freedom for people not to support these skids and not have to be forcefed that drivel by that fool Emery. If anyone is the loudest hypocrite it's Emery. It's alright for me to preach from the mountain tops, but don't dare preach to me. Supporting stoners who are a drain on the economy is oppression on my wallet.

If Emery is your hero, then Kim Walker is mine, one less drug dealer in the world.

[BubberMiley]

Guess what all the skids have in common, all MJ users.

You're mistaking marijuana for alcohol.

[Pliny]

Marc Emery, eh? A single issue, special interest disappointing political sellout.

If he had an interest in changing marijuana laws perhaps he should have taken an interest in law instead of marijuana. Great citizen though - pays his taxes.

I learned something on this thread. Someone with Crohn's disease will die if they don't get a daily dose.

[DrGreenthumb]

Too bad Emery was found guilty in the states at a fair trial in front of a judge.

Holy shit, I don't think registering trailers should be law, I don't think wearing seatbelts should be law, and I don't think I should be forced to use the Canadian Wheat Board. But those are the laws and I follow them. The consequenses sort of suck.

I don't support the legalization of MJ, because I would rather have the argument of having MJ legalized or not rather than the other stuff down the line. This sets a dangerous precedent and the gov't is doing the right thing by not budging.

The Charter also supports the freedom of mobility. If this country is too oppressive for pot smokers, by all means leave.

Ignorance, I look around town, who has money and who is a skid. Guess what all the skids have in common, all MJ users. I'm also advocating freedom, freedom for people not to support these skids and not have to be forcefed that drivel by that fool Emery. If anyone is the loudest hypocrite it's Emery. It's alright for me to preach from the mountain tops, but don't dare preach to me. Supporting stoners who are a drain on the economy is oppression on my wallet.

If Emery is your hero, then Kim Walker is mine, one less drug dealer in the world.

Actually genius, Marc has NOT been found guilty in front of ANY judge on EITHER side of the border. Just more evidence that you have absolutely NO CLUE what you are talking about. If they made immodium for verbal diahrea, I 'd say they had you in mind when it went to market.

Go ahead and sell your wheat without the wheat board, you will be charged in CANADA, and have your right to challenge the validity of the wheat board law. THAT is how our justice system is supposed to work. If our government decided to skip your right to a fair trial and ship you off to China to face some kangaroo court, I would be at the front of the protest line, trying to secure YOUR freedom, even though I don't think you personally deserve any.

Emery isn't forcefeeding anyone anything, it is aresehole prohibitionists who use the criminal law and the police to force THEIR will on the rest of us.

Stereotyping Cannabis users as people who are lazy and don't work is bullshit. I don't know one cannabis user over the age of 16 without a full time job. I know plenty of drunks who nobody wants working for them though. Most people who use Cannabis are very careful not to let ignorants like you know about it. We have to be be careful because ignorants are often also RATS. I'm not talking about the rodent kind, I mean the human kind, the kind I would suspect YOU of being.

Your hero is Kim Walker? A Murderer? Yeah a real law and order type you are. The guy is such a shitty excuse for a father that his 16 year old daughter would rather live in squallor with her morphine addicted boyfriend than come home. Pharmaceuticals cause very strong dependency, the young people were both in need of help and support to get their lives back on track, instead one of them is now dead. Murdered in cold blood, shot multiple times at point blank range, probably with a legal registered firearm. (ban handguns?). For all we know the daughter didn't want to live at home because Kim may have been an abusive alcoholic with anger management issues. You don't get to go gun down your daughter's boyfriends because you don't like them.

Kim Walker commited first degree, pre meditated MURDER, and as far as I'm concerned he should face the possibility of capital punishment. Never as a mandatory sentence mind you. Each case should always be argued on an individual basis, based on the facts of each individual "crime". Not all similar crimes are identicle enough to warrant the same punishments. I can understand Walker's actions but I can not excuse them. He ended the life of another person. That person will never have the chance to turn his life around. There is no 12 step program that fixes dead.

Its almost amuseing that you support prison for trading in all natural plant seeds but probably think a MURDERER, like Kim Walker should walk free.

Keep displaying the ignorance blueblood, people like you make it a whole lot easier for people like me to swing public opinion my way.

Edited March 13, 2008 by DrGreenthumb

[blueblood]

Actually genius, Marc has NOT been found guilty in front of ANY judge on EITHER side of the border. Just more evidence that you have absolutely NO CLUE what you are talking about. If they made immodium for verbal diahrea, I 'd say they had you in mind when it went to market.

Go ahead and sell your wheat without the wheat board, you will be charged in CANADA, and have your right to challenge the validity of the wheat board law. THAT is how our justice system is supposed to work. If our government decided to skip your right to a fair trial and ship you off to China to face some kangaroo court, I would be at the front of the protest line, trying to secure YOUR freedom, even though I don't think you personally deserve any.

Emery isn't forcefeeding anyone anything, it is aresehole prohibitionists who use the criminal law and the police to force THEIR will on the rest of us.

Stereotyping Cannabis users as people who are lazy and don't work is bullshit. I don't know one cannabis user over the age of 16 without a full time job. I know plenty of drunks who nobody wants working for them though. Most people who use Cannabis are very careful not to let ignorants like you know about it. We have to be be careful because ignorants are often also RATS. I'm not talking about the rodent kind, I mean the human kind, the kind I would suspect YOU of being.

Your hero is Kim Walker? A Murderer? Yeah a real law and order type you are. The guy is such a shitty excuse for a father that his 16 year old daughter would rather live in squallor with her morphine addicted boyfriend than come home. Pharmaceuticals cause very strong dependency, the young people were both in need of help and support to get their lives back on track, instead one of them is now dead. Murdered in cold blood, shot multiple times at point blank range, probably with a legal registered firearm. (ban handguns?). I've heard that the daughter didn't want to live at home because Kim was often an abusive alcoholic with anger management issues.

Kim Walker commited first degree, pre meditated MURDER, and as far as I'm concerned he should face capital punishment.

Its almost amuseing that you support prison for trading in all natural plant seeds but probably think a MURDERING sonofabitch like KIM WALKER should walk free.

Keep displaying the ignorance blueblood, people like you make it a whole lot easier for people like me to swing public opinion my way.

Sorry I'm a law abiding citizen, I don't break the law no matter how much I disagree with it.

My mistake, Emery didn't have to go to a trial because he did the cowardly thing and plea bargained. Emery didn't even want the trial. Boy he was sure oppressed.

If you would talk to Walker's daughter now, she thanks her dad for saving her life. I don't think Walker should have got off, but he had a good excuse to save his kid's life. He faced his jail time like a brave person, and didn't plea bargain, unlike Emery.

It's people like you who make it a whole lot easier for lawmakers to keep pot prohibition on the books, and keep the fight with pot and not the next stuff up. People like you who say they don't push their crap on people is like saying Evangelists don't push their crap. It's funny, pot activists are on the same level as cult leaders.

Nobody is forcing you to stay in Canada, if you believe the law is so oppressive, by all means leave.

[fellowtraveller]

The suggestion that Emery is some sort of heroic and tragic figure is a joke.

He sells dope for a living, or rather sells seeds to people so they can grow dope, which is a crime in both Canada and USA.

he was allowed by an ambivalent Canadaian govt to get away with it, but made a serious mistake when he expanded his business into a country that treats drug dealing seriously.

He is a victim only of his own greed and stupidity. he could have toddled along forever selling seeds to canadians, but crossed a major line by getting greedy.

[DrGreenthumb]

Sorry I'm a law abiding citizen, I don't break the law no matter how much I disagree with it.

My mistake, Emery didn't have to go to a trial because he did the cowardly thing and plea bargained. Emery didn't even want the trial. Boy he was sure oppressed.

If you would talk to Walker's daughter now, she thanks her dad for saving her life. I don't think Walker should have got off, but he had a good excuse to save his kid's life. He faced his jail time like a brave person, and didn't plea bargain, unlike Emery.

Your mistake again, and again, and again, you must be quite used to being wrong. Emery hasn't plea bargained anything yet, tho offers have been made and considered. He hasn't had a trial yet because he will face trial only once extradited to America. The Canadian government has still not bothered charging him with any crimes. A Canadian trial is what he has a right to and is what the government is trying to deny him. If marc does take the deal he is offered, it is only to save his friends who are also being unjustly subjected to this farce. That is not cowardly it is honourable.

Walker did no such thing, he tried to get off in court. You are so full of shit, you sit here and defend a murderer and say he had a good excuse, while condemning a man to life in prison over seeds. His daughter will say whatever her crazed gunman of a father wants her to from now on I'm sure. He kills people who don't do things his way.

I wonder how the murder victim's family feels.

"Sorry I'm a law abiding citizen, I don't break the law no matter how much I disagree with it."

Im pretty sure that is an outright lie. Everybody breaks the law sometimes, i guess you always wear your seatbelt even crossing a parking lot, never speed or record your favorite cop shows off of cable TV?

Nonetheless I'm sure you will obey the "bend over and take an agressive buggering with a large carrot" law, so long as some government manages to pass it.

The point is blind obedience is not good for society and people willing to submit to it are lucky that others, like Marc Emery ARE willing to stand up to injustice. Without people like Marc we would have no freedoms. I find your capitulence nausiating.

Edited March 13, 2008 by DrGreenthumb

[eyeball]

What! I say what!

Are you seriously suggesting that the government legislate dizziness?

No, just jokingly.

[Pliny]

Actually genius, Marc has NOT been found guilty in front of ANY judge on EITHER side of the border. Just more

Go ahead and sell your wheat without the wheat board, you will be charged in CANADA, and have your right to challenge the validity of the wheat board law. THAT is how our justice system is supposed to work. If our government decided to skip your right to a fair trial and ship you off to China to face some kangaroo court, I would be at the front of the protest line, trying to secure YOUR freedom, even though I don't think you personally deserve any.

You might want to read up on "universal Jurisdiction" -Google it.

It is a setting precedents and although it's intent is for the "good of all" it is a direct affront to soveriegnty.

[HisSelf]

10 Scrivener Square is one of the largest liquor stores in Canada, with wine tasting, scotch nosing and secial events rooms.

It's also one of the hardest to get served in if you have been drinking or look under 25.

Times have changed even for Rosedale...

Even the clock works now....

http://www.emporis.com/images/6/2005/06/374752.jpg

Or if you look like you don't have any money. Let's not forget that this is a government agency.....

[HisSelf]

This case is predicated on US Agents coming into our country and inveigling a Canadian citizen into committing a crime against US law. This is not about Canadian law. It is about US law. An unfortunate juxtoposition of Bush and Harper, as far as I can see. The case is unsupportable under our law and is against our economic interests.

[Pliny]

This case is predicated on US Agents coming into our country and inveigling a Canadian citizen into committing a crime against US law. This is not about Canadian law. It is about US law. An unfortunate juxtoposition of Bush and Harper, as far as I can see. The case is unsupportable under our law and is against our economic interests.

It is not about Canadian law? Is it about universal jurisdiction? Why is it an "unfortunate" juxtaposition of Bush and Harper? Are they irrelevent?

Against our economic interests - now you have peaked my curiosity.

[M.Dancer]

Or if you look like you don't have any money. Let's not forget that this is a government agency.....

I wouldn't serve someone who looked like they don't have money either....LCBO isn't a social welfare agency....

[normanchateau]

This case is predicated on US Agents coming into our country and inveigling a Canadian citizen into committing a crime against US law. This is not about Canadian law. It is about US law. An unfortunate juxtoposition of Bush and Harper, as far as I can see.

Harper can block the extradition but he can't be blamed for initiating the process. Canadian police, acting on behalf of the US Drug Enforcement Administration and with the permission of the federal government, arrested Marc Emery on July 29, 2005.

[thermo]

This case is predicated on US Agents coming into our country and inveigling a Canadian citizen into committing a crime against US law. This is not about Canadian law. It is about US law.

You're half right. It's about sovereignty. Period. Arresting a Canadian in Canada for violation of U.S. laws. Is a direct violation of our sovereignty. The law here is a big grey area - but that's not what's at issue. Nor is it what anyone thinks about Emery.

When the U.S. declared war against Britain in 1812 the central issue was the British Navy boarding U.S. ships to arrest their deserting troops whom had joined the U.S. They saw it as an affront to their sovereignty they said it illegal and they went to war over it. Now they're doing it to us and the only people who are even aware of the issue seem preoccupied (for the most part) with the details of who Emery was. That is not the issue tho - it has nothing to do with what is a stake.

Andrew Jackson said some very pertinent things back them about other nations applying their laws to you and taking your citizens away. I'd look it up for you guys but I'm at work. sorry.

[M.Dancer]

You're half right. It's about sovereignty. Period. Arresting a Canadian in Canada for violation of U.S. laws.

Ummm....?

So when an American is arrested in the US for breaking Canadian laws....?

Nations sign treaties with each other to prevent their nations becoming havens for criminals. The jails are filled with chaps who thought they were smarter than the law. Emery is one of them. He thought he could break US law with impunity simply by doing his mailings in Canada. Sucks to be him but there you have it. I have as much sympathy for him as I do for boilerroom telemarketers who defraud americans over the phone from the comfort of their canadian telephone rooms.

[thermo]

Ummm....?

So when an American is arrested in the US for breaking Canadian laws....?

When has this happened? it's one thing to kill a guy up here and then flee to the states or vice versa. since murder is illegal in both nations picking him or her up and extraditing them is a no-brainer.

however the cannabis laws here are really vague. to the point that even if the feds here wanted to toss him in jail for selling seeds they would have to make the law much, MUCH clearer in order to do so. AND even then he would not be facing a ridiculous 30 year sentence. if he was selling smack to children over the boarder sure arrest him. throw away the key. if he wants to go to the states himself and they pick him up - well not smart on his part and there's not much we can do about it. but he was arrested on Canadian soil for something that isn't even a clear violation of our law. that is what stinks about all this.