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[UShaditComing]

you seem to hate Harper and Bush. Are you from the extreme right?

'Cause a good socialist, like Stalin & Hitler, is incapable of hate right?

Keep digging!

I wouldn't bother with you anymore but you said something that needs to be corrected and that is that Hitler was a socialist. He wasn't, he was an extreme right fascist. A little project for you and others of your ilk which will keep you off the streets for a while is to name me some Nazi policies which were socialist in nature. When you have finished I will prove you wrong by naming many policies which prove that Hitler and Nazism was extreme right.

Now toddle off and get busy because I'm not going to play with you until you do.

[DrGreenthumb]

I would consider myself fortunate if some of your ilk did tune me out. You have said things you can't take back and so you are responsible for it. You don't seem to understand that your hatred of people who are down and out or down on their luck for many different reasons need to be helped. This is very consistent with the US mentality where they don't believe in universal healthcare or government assistance of any kind. It's conservatism at it's very worst and it's consistent with Harper's mentality. You seem to understand that Harper is bad but you don't yet understand that your rabid hate for others is really just rabid right conservatism. Ask any conservative. Look up the definition of conservative. Look up the definition of liberal. I'm only trying to help you understand but you're obviously not ready yet. You clearly have the makings of a extreme conservative and you were most likely a Preston Manning suppporter too. If not, you should have been because your ideology comes closest to his. You certainly don't display any soicalist traits or sociallly responsible conscience.

Try to think about that for a while before you start wagging your toungue again at me.

Yes I am am a conservative who is a member of the NDP, in fact on the executive of my constituency association. A conservative who has worked on every NDP campaign in the last 10 years. You have no idea what you are talking about, just because I do not think the taxpayer has bottomless pockets and should not have to pay people to sit home watch Oprah and pop out kids does not make some kind of ultra right wing lunatic. I just think that there should be a limit to how much a person can abuse a system that is supposed to be there for those who need it. I support a social safety net, just not abuse of that safety net that will end up tearing the net and leaving those who truly need it unprotected. This is partly why I support a national day care system, no more free rides. No more I can't go to work cuz I have this here baby. Baby goes to daycare, parent goes to work. I don't even care if it is productive work, as long as they still have to get up in the morning and put in a full day like the rest of us. There is plenty of litter to pick up, grafitti to clean up,etc. No free rides.

Some of my other ultra right wing ideas are that education should be free and based on ability to learn, not ability to pay.

I also believe that there should be an absolute limit on how much wealth any person can accumulate. Allowing individuals to become too wealthy threatens the ability of government to make decisions that are best for all the people not just those wealthy enough to buy the decisions they want governments to make. Yep I'm really far right wing.

[M.Dancer]

A little project for you and others of your ilk which will keep you off the streets for a while is to name me some Nazi policies which were socialist in nature. .

Autobahn

Volkswagon

Healthcare

Education

[White Doors]

I wouldn't bother with you anymore but you said something that needs to be corrected and that is that Hitler was a socialist. He wasn't, he was an extreme right fascist. A little project for you and others of your ilk which will keep you off the streets for a while is to name me some Nazi policies which were socialist in nature. When you have finished I will prove you wrong by naming many policies which prove that Hitler and Nazism was extreme right.

Now toddle off and get busy because I'm not going to play with you until you do.

Here some education for you:

Nazi = National Socialist workers party.

Duh!

socialist policy? mandatory gun registration!

There, that was easy.

And I didn't even have to google for the TRVTH

lol

Let me know and we will continue with your re-education. oops! slip of the tongue.

[White Doors]

Like shooting fish in a barrell of Morris?

[M.Dancer]

Program of the National Socialist German Workers' Party

7. We demand that the State shall above all undertake to ensure that every citizen shall have the possibility of living decently and earning a livelihood. If it should not be possible to feed the whole population, then aliens (non-citizens) must be expelled from the Reich

11. That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished.

12. Since every war imposes on the people fearful sacrifices in blood and treasure, all personal profit arising from the war must be regarded as treason to the people We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits.

13. We demand the nationalization of all trusts.

14. We demand profit-sharing in large industries.

15. We demand a generous increase in old-age pensions.

Etc etc etc

http://fcit.usf.edu/Holocaust/resource/document/PROGRAM.htm

[UShaditComing]

7. We demand that the State shall above all undertake to ensure that every citizen shall have the possibility of living decently and earning a livelihood. If it should not be possible to feed the whole population, then aliens (non-citizens) must be expelled from the Reich

11. That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished.

12. Since every war imposes on the people fearful sacrifices in blood and treasure, all personal profit arising from the war must be regarded as treason to the people We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits.

13. We demand the nationalization of all trusts.

14. We demand profit-sharing in large industries.

15. We demand a generous increase in old-age pensions.

Number 7 could be direct from the US constitution with a change of words. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? and the second part is a good description of the extreme righ ideology of the US and it's wish to build border fences along it's borders to exclude workers it needs to do it menial labour for a dollar a day. Number 11 is extreme right ideology at it's finest. The abolishment of any social platforms. Number 12 expressly talks about war measures identical to measures taken in all the Ally countries during that war. Number 13 demanded the nationalization of all trusts but when it really meant was that assets be taken from the Jews and given to rich industrialists who were German. Number 14 is another measure taken during a war. And number 15 didn't happen and is a direct contradiction of #11. How pathetic it is of you to attempt to support Nazism by tryiing to say it was socially responsible to it's people! So you understand what socially responsible government even means?

Edited March 10, 2008 by UShaditComing

[White Doors]

Number 7 could be direct from the US constitution with a change of words. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? and the second part is a good description of the extreme righ ideology of the US and it's wish to build border fences along it's borders to exclude workers it needs to do it menial labour for a dollar a day. Number 11 is extreme right ideology at it's finest. The abolishment of any social platforms. Number 12 expressly talks about war measures identical to measures taken in all the Ally countries during that war. Number 13 demanded the nationalization of all trusts but when it really meant was that assets be taken from the Jews and given to rich industrialists who were German. Number 14 is another measure taken during a war. And number 15 didn't happen and is a direct contradiction of #11. How pathetic it is of you to attempt to support Nazism by tryiing to say it was socially responsible to it's people! So you understand what socially responsible government even means?

wow! squirm away. They are socialist policies for sure. Could be straight out of the NDP's playbook!

oh, socialism and 'social responsibility' are not necessarily the same. One only need to look to the USSR, Mao

s China, Pol Pot, Cuba etc etc to see this.

[UShaditComing]

wow! squirm away. They are socialist policies for sure. Could be straight out of the NDP's playbook!

oh, socialism and 'social responsibility' are not necessarily the same. One only need to look to the USSR, Mao

s China, Pol Pot, Cuba etc etc to see this.

You're not very bright are you. Your losing argument on drinking water put it over the top for me pal.

[Shady]

Number 7 could be direct from the US constitution with a change of words. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? and the second part is a good description of the extreme righ ideology of the US and it's wish to build border fences along it's borders to exclude workers it needs to do it menial labour for a dollar a day. Number 11 is extreme right ideology at it's finest. The abolishment of any social platforms. Number 12 expressly talks about war measures identical to measures taken in all the Ally countries during that war. Number 13 demanded the nationalization of all trusts but when it really meant was that assets be taken from the Jews and given to rich industrialists who were German. Number 14 is another measure taken during a war. And number 15 didn't happen and is a direct contradiction of #11. How pathetic it is of you to attempt to support Nazism by tryiing to say it was socially responsible to it's people! So you understand what socially responsible government even means?

Wrong again "UShaditComing". Number 7 isn't anything like life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It means you'll have the freedom to pursuit happiness, but not the right to attain it. Big difference. You also contradict yourself. Big suprise. You come across as opposing the border fence, but you also come across as opposing workers doing menial labour for a dollar a day. If the border fence prevents the exploitation of labour, isn't that a good thing? Also, what right does a non-American have working in America anyways? Answer, none.

How in the world do you interpret number 11 as the abolishment of any social platform? Please enlighten us. As for the total confiscation of war profits, seems like a totally socialist-leftist-marxist idea to me. Just look at what you and your ilk have to say about companies like Haliburton (queue scary music). 13, 14, and 15 are all classic socialist ideas, that are still being sought after today. You can look at Europe, South America (Chavez in particular) and even the Democrat candidates as examples. Stop being so intellectually dishonest.

On a side note, Mussolini was also a rabid socialist.

[bush_cheney2004]

Wrong again "UShaditComing". Number 7 isn't anything like life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It means you'll have the freedom to pursuit happiness, but not the right to attain it. Big difference.

Correct Sir....Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Hapiness stem from John Locke and was used in the American Declaration of Independence, not the US Constitution.

Edited March 11, 2008 by bush_cheney2004

[UShaditComing]

Correct Sir....Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Hapiness stem from John Locke and was used in the American Declaration of Independence, not the US Constitution.

I didn't really say otherwise but it's not important to me anyway. The whole point is that Nazis were extreme righties and so are the neo-Nazis. So are the KKK and so are all the other groups who display red, black, and white pseudo-swastikas in order to make it clear to all who they back. Righties like you my friend who try to censor others for their honest and correct opinions when the opinion challenges your evilness.

[M.Dancer]

I didn't really say otherwise but it's not important to me anyway.

Say again?

Number 7 could be direct from the US constitution with a change of words. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?

It would seem what is not important to is being right and knowing what you babble on about.

Suffice to say that the Nazis, with their collectivist approach as opposed to rights for the individual were socialist in nature and what you confuse for Rightwing is in fact extreme authoritarianism.

Whether today's neo nazis ascribe to a socialist point of view or not is entirely irrelevant.

[UShaditComing]

Say again?

It would seem what is not important to is being right and knowing what you babble on about.

Suffice to say that the Nazis, with their collectivist approach as opposed to rights for the individual were socialist in nature and what you confuse for Rightwing is in fact extreme authoritarianism.

Whether today's neo nazis ascribe to a socialist point of view or not is entirely irrelevant.

Nothing is relevant to you other than what you want to believe is it. But at least you aren't trying to applaud Nazism by saying they were socially responsible to the people of Germany. That's the pitfall all the extreme right Nazi apologists always fall into head first.

The authoritarianism you mention can be compared closely to what is happening in the US at this time and has happened for all of Bush's 2 terms. It is what the people of the US are now beginning to reject. It's been an affront against their liberties in many ways under the disguise of fighting terrorism. Look at real life if you want to understand how Nazi policies are a mirror image of present day US government. It is the opposite of communism and that's why the communists hated the Nazis. Communism is socilism taken to extremes in a way but much more can be said about it. Socially responsible democracy is what I advocate and that has nothing to do with Nazism or it's policies. It's Canada's brand of capitalism as opposed to the US brand. There is a huge difference and most Canadians don't want any part of the US system. Sadly Harper and his gang of louts do.

[M.Dancer]

Look at real life if you want to understand how Nazi policies are a mirror image of present day US government.

Care to show me right now where in the US jew or any other group are forbidden to have sex with pure blood Americans? Or how about showing me where in the US certain professions like medicine or law are off limits for any particular group? Please show me where and when the mass round ups of Gypsies and such taken away to work camps.....

It is the opposite of communism and that's why the communists hated the Nazis.

The communists didn't start hating the Nazis until they attacked the USSR. In the pre Barbarossa period in England, soviet backed communist organizers protested against the war and agitated for peace with germany. After the attacks, the same protesters with the USSR's urging demanded a second front.

Communism is socilism(sic) taken to extremes in a way but much more can be said about it. Socially responsible democracy is what I advocate and that has nothing to do with Nazism or it's policies. It's Canada's brand of capitalism as opposed to the US brand. There is a huge difference and most Canadians don't want any part of the US system. Sadly Harper and his gang of louts do.

I will ask this again, please explain what is different about Canadian capitalism as opposed to the US variety.

[UShaditComing]

Care to show me right now where in the US jew or any other group are forbidden to have sex with pure blood Americans? Or how about showing me where in the US certain professions like medicine or law are off limits for any particular group? Please show me where and when the mass round ups of Gypsies and such taken away to work camps.....

The communists didn't start hating the Nazis until they attacked the USSR. In the pre Barbarossa period in England, soviet backed communist organizers protested against the war and agitated for peace with germany. After the attacks, the same protesters with the USSR's urging demanded a second front.

I will ask this again, please explain what is different about Canadian capitalism as opposed to the US variety.

You really don't know? I would rather state is as differences in the two widely different forms of democracy but capitalism can still be used for the comparison. In a nutshell it's Canada's emphasis on social policies and platforms for our citizens while the US has little interest in same and expresses their disdain for our social policies very openly. Do you need to have that elaborated further for you? If so then begin with universal healthcare and ask some American conservatives. Don't try to argue the pro and con because that's not the issue, even though I would love to get into it with the Americans on a different thread. The issue is what we desire for our different democracies. (And please don't bother doing the 'republic' thing with me)

[M.Dancer]

In a nutshell it's Canada's emphasis on social policies and platforms for our citizens while the US has little interest in same and expresses their disdain for our social policies very openly.

I thought as much. What you describe in a somewhat hamfisted manners has as much to do with capitalism in the same way that hotdogs have to do with baseball.

The soviet union had universal healthcare. Universal healthcare or any social programme is not a feature of capitalism.

France has a two tiered system and Holland has a mean tested system. Both have capitalistic systems that are identical to our own, which is why companies can trade and do business with each other regradless of their national healthcare policies.

[UShaditComing]

I thought as much. What you describe in a somewhat hamfisted manners has as much to do with capitalism in the same way that hotdogs have to do with baseball.

The soviet union had universal healthcare. Universal healthcare or any social programme is not a feature of capitalism.

France has a two tiered system and Holland has a mean tested system. Both have capitalistic systems that are identical to our own, which is why companies can trade and do business with each other regradless of their national healthcare policies.

Universal healthcare is one feature of Canada's brand of capitalism. Among other socially sound and responsible policies which the Canadian people defend fiercely. This is just the facts of the matter and it's not to say it's right or wrong at this point in time on this thread. The US simply opposes most of what Canada feels is sacred ground. Capitalism comes with a price which must be paid to the people of the country. The US doesn't believe that so you need to stop this silly approach you keep hitting on and accept it as fact.

I understood right from the beginning that you would try to define the word 'capitalism' and that's why I short circuited it before you had a chance.

[M.Dancer]

Universal healthcare is one feature of Canada's brand of capitalism.

No it is not. It is a feature of our society and as I pointed out the USSR had universal healthcare therefore it is unique and not a part of capitalism.

You might as well say that live theatre is part of our capitalism...you would still be wrong and wrong for the same reason.