bush_cheney2004 Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 (edited) Answer, because the US needs the money?? Depression coming. No, it's because Canadians need faster access to health care procedures. Any depression "coming" will not stop at the border. Edited March 7, 2008 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 No, it's because Canadians need faster access to health care procedures. Any depression "coming" will not stop at the border. The US has 10X the people and most of them can't live without a cell phone, how are they going to live through a depression?? Generation "X" doesn't know how go without the material things in life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 The US has 10X the people and most of them can't live without a cell phone, how are they going to live through a depression?? Generation "X" doesn't know how go without the material things in life. Methinks you have answered your own question....there isn't going to be any "depression". Sorry. Cell phones are popular throughout the world...even in Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 BC, I want to tell you that a US company for healthcare has setup in Canada to get Canadians to come over to the US for operations they can do. They tell you how fast they can get you an appointment , get you in to see the US doctor BUT they refuse to talk about the COST on air, where they advertise each sunday morning. So if a Canadian can get it done here, you'll have to pay the whole shot yourself, so if your very rich and spare 100,000 go for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 Methinks you have answered your own question....there isn't going to be any "depression". Sorry.Cell phones are popular throughout the world...even in Canada. Really, I do hope not, but I've hear more financial US show say its coming. Just keep that Iraq and Afghanistan war going Interest on you natioanl debt is a BILLION a day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 Really, I do hope not, but I've hear more financial US show say its coming. Just keep that Iraq and Afghanistan war going Interest on you natioanl debt is a BILLION a day! Yawn.....in 1996, you own nation's budget and debt were far worse off....yet the Americans did not predict a depression in Canada. Instead, the Liberals slashed your health care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UShaditComing Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 Of course....that why Canadian provinces send their citizens to the USA for health care. You would improve your understanding of Canada's healthcare system if you began to realize that it's a better system than the US system and it's administered at a level which keeps it consistently on a higher level. In other words, we don't waste money by resorting to an MRI when an x-ray does the job. When an MRI is needed immediately it's cost effective to send a person to the US to get it done as opposed to buying a bunch of expensive equipment when it won't be needed. Canadians don't want it any other way and anybody who tries to change it will be in big trouble with the people of Canada. Should we increase our healthcare spending a little? Probably not but if you think so then go argue with Harper and his gang of thieves. If Harper's gang cuts spenging too much they will hear from the electorate big time. And of course we could increase spending to about double in order to equal the cost per person to the American people for their 'for profit' joke of a non-healthcare system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UShaditComing Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 The USD got to within a whisker of dropping below 65 cents against the Euro today and the Bush/Cheney faithful keep blowing smoke. Oh my! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 (edited) You would improve your understanding of Canada's healthcare system if you began to realize that it's a better system than the US system and it's administered at a level which keeps it consistently on a higher level. In other words, we don't waste money by resorting to an MRI when an x-ray does the job. When an MRI is needed immediately it's cost effective to send a person to the US to get it done as opposed to buying a bunch of expensive equipment when it won't be needed. Canadians don't want it any other way and anybody who tries to change it will be in big trouble with the people of Canada. Except for those Canadians who buy there own insurance and/or pay for American health care services out of pocket. Should we increase our healthcare spending a little? Probably not but if you think so then go argue with Harper and his gang of thieves. If Harper's gang cuts spenging too much they will hear from the electorate big time. And of course we could increase spending to about double in order to equal the cost per person to the American people for their 'for profit' joke of a non-healthcare system. Chreatien cut health care budget for provinces. When your ass is on the line, we know where to find you. Edited March 7, 2008 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UShaditComing Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 Except for those Canadians who buy there own insurance and/or pay for American health care services out of pocket. Chreatien cut health care budget for provinces. When your ass is on the line, we know where to find you. When you get your new healthcare system which Hillary or Obama is going to give you, and you bail out the over 50,000,000 people who go without in your country, we may begin to listen to your good examples. In the meantime we will look to Cuba for an example of healthcare for all the people which actually works well. Do you have any idea at all how much it costs you people to maintain a system which is rated at around #37 in the world? If it's the most expensive system per capita in the entire world and it's not even close to the French system which is #1, would you even care? Are you a capitalist? Are you in favour of government waste which is required to support big business pharma companies and overpaid doctors? hmmmmm? Even socialists are too savvy to have anything to do with that kind of a sellout by government! If you are a US citizen I may be able to get you a line on affordable pharmaceuticals for your parents. That's if you actually care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Visionseeker Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 Of course....that why Canadian provinces send their citizens to the USA for health care. Hummm, is that what's pushing so many Americans to go to India for theirs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UShaditComing Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 Hummm, is that what's pushing so many Americans to go to India for theirs? Some go to Cuba too. The interesting thing about it is will it 'change' when either hillary of Barack get elected. Or will the big lobbyists buy out another president? The people of the US have had enough and they're going to come out in big numbers in November to say so. If they get double crossed again then it's going to be blood in the streets and much worse than the river of blood running out of their schools currently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 (edited) When you get your new healthcare system which Hillary or Obama is going to give you, and you bail out the over 50,000,000 people who go without in your country, we may begin to listen to your good examples. In the meantime we will look to Cuba for an example of healthcare for all the people which actually works well. Yea...Cuba is great! That's why they die trying to escape to the USA. Hillary couldn't even keep a condom on her husband...she won't do much better on 16% of US GDP. Do you have any idea at all how much it costs you people to maintain a system which is rated at around #37 in the world? If it's the most expensive system per capita in the entire world and it's not even close to the French system which is #1, would you even care? No, because your system is about #35, with far less choice. Are you a capitalist? Are you in favour of government waste which is required to support big business pharma companies and overpaid doctors? hmmmmm? Even socialists are too savvy to have anything to do with that kind of a sellout by government! Where do you think your pharms come from? If you are a US citizen I may be able to get you a line on affordable pharmaceuticals for your parents. That's if you actually care. Are you joking? Help your own countrymen first.....the CHA doesn't cover pharms! Edited March 7, 2008 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UShaditComing Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 Yea...Cuba is great! That's why they die trying to escape to the USA. Hillary couldn't even keep a condom on her husband...she won't do much better on 16% of US GDP. No, because your system is about #35, with far less choice. Where do you think your pharms come from? Are you joking? Help your own countrymen first.....the CHA doesn't cover pharms! Sure it does but there is an income level taken into consideration first and then there is a level of drug expense at which there is a rebate on costs. Besides that we get pharmas cheaper than the US because our gov demands it be that way. That's why Americans sneak across the border and buy their drugs here in order to survive. Or they buy them email. I feel so sorry for those elderly Americans. I know you probably don't because Americans feel that nobody should get any help from their government. They call it a free ride or something lame like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 (edited) Sure it does but there is an income level taken into consideration first and then there is a level of drug expense at which there is a rebate on costs. Besides that we get pharmas cheaper than the US because our gov demands it be that way. That's why Americans sneak across the border and buy their drugs here in order to survive. Or they buy them email. Right...Americans subsidize all the R&D costs so you can have cheap pharms. Such a deal! I feel so sorry for those elderly Americans. I know you probably don't because Americans feel that nobody should get any help from their government. They call it a free ride or something lame like that. America already has a single payer system (Medicare) that makes your's look puny by comparison. And seniors can legally buy insurance.....imagine that. We don't want/need mandatory CommieCare. Edited March 7, 2008 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UShaditComing Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 (edited) You might not want commie care but your people buy their drugs from Canada anyway. Your phoney pres says they're not safe drugs but the people are too smart to buy that little trick. They just keep on a coming and I'm happy for them that they can. Some of those who are too proud to use commie drugs probably die for lack of the medicines they need. Ho hum, talking to Americans! I'm finished with you for a while now. It's boring talking to a person who, when I prove them wrong as I did above, they don't have the courtesy to admit they were had. Edited March 7, 2008 by UShaditComing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 You might not want commie care but your people buy their drugs from Canada anyway. Your phoney pres says they're not safe drugs but the people are too smart to buy that little trick. They just keep on a coming and I'm happy for them that they can. Some of those who are too proud to use commie drugs probably die for lack of the medicines they need. Ho hum, talking to Americans! I'm finished with you for a while now. That's fine....I'm just busting your balls while I wait for an eBay auction to end. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 Rehabilitation is not in the US vocabulary because they can only think of punishing criminals and so they suffer the consequences by paying to keep a lot of people locked up. Listen closely to Harper and you will hear him spouting the same message, right down to bringing back capital punishment.And you believe rehabilitation works, why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Doors Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 You would improve your understanding of Canada's healthcare system if you began to realize that it's a better system than the US system and it's administered at a level which keeps it consistently on a higher level. In other words, we don't waste money by resorting to an MRI when an x-ray does the job. When an MRI is needed immediately it's cost effective to send a person to the US to get it done as opposed to buying a bunch of expensive equipment when it won't be needed. Canadians don't want it any other way and anybody who tries to change it will be in big trouble with the people of Canada. Should we increase our healthcare spending a little? Probably not but if you think so then go argue with Harper and his gang of thieves. If Harper's gang cuts spenging too much they will hear from the electorate big time. And of course we could increase spending to about double in order to equal the cost per person to the American people for their 'for profit' joke of a non-healthcare system. I'm a Canadian and don't want it this way. I want a dual public/private system. Like Europe. Don't pretend to speak for me sir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Doors Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 When you get your new healthcare system which Hillary or Obama is going to give you, and you bail out the over 50,000,000 people who go without in your country, we may begin to listen to your good examples. In the meantime we will look to Cuba for an example of healthcare for all the people which actually works well. Do you have any idea at all how much it costs you people to maintain a system which is rated at around #37 in the world? If it's the most expensive system per capita in the entire world and it's not even close to the French system which is #1, would you even care? Are you a capitalist? Are you in favour of government waste which is required to support big business pharma companies and overpaid doctors? hmmmmm? Even socialists are too savvy to have anything to do with that kind of a sellout by government! If you are a US citizen I may be able to get you a line on affordable pharmaceuticals for your parents. That's if you actually care. Um, the French system is a public/private hybrid. Do you advocate that for Canada? Where does Cuba rate on yoru scale? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UShaditComing Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 And you believe rehabilitation works, why? Of course rehabilitation works and we need to put more emphasis on making it work better. Why would you ask such a question? It's the main reason why we put people in jail to start with and along with the punitive punishment for the crime we hope that we can let them out and they won't repeat offend. If there is no emphasis on that then we would end up with a situation similar to the US where they don't have enough jails to house all their prisoners. And that leads to more expense to the taxpayer which capitalists should be able to understand, if nothing else. I know it would be satisfying for some people to hear that locked up criminals are getting a lashing every day in jail but they should realize that those criminals are going to get out of jail some day and are going to come out lashing back at we lawabiding citizens. Hate is the wrong emotion when dealing with this problem and just look where it got the US! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 Of course rehabilitation works and we need to put more emphasis on making it work better. All depends on the type of criminal. Sexual offenders are the most likely to reoffend. The present study was conducted as part of the mandate of the Solicitor General PortfolioCorrections Statistics Committee to provide the general public and professionals basic statistical information on corrections and conditio nal release. In this study, recidivism was defined as any new conviction for an offence committed within two years of release from prison. The study samples included all releases (except for releases on temporary passes) from federal penitentiaries during the three fiscal years 1994/95, 1995/96 and 1996/97. The reconviction rate for the first fiscal year release cohort was 44.0%, 42.8% for the second release cohort and 40.6% for the third cohort. These reconviction rates were comparable to other rates reported internationally and from other Canadian studies using a similar methodology. Nonviolent reconvictions accounted for the majority of the reconvictions. The violent reconviction rate was much lower; approximately 13% for all three release cohorts and the sexual offence reconviction rate was very low (0.7% to 1.7%). Consistent with previous research findings, Aboriginal offenders showed higher reconviction rates than non-Aboriginal offenders and the male reconviction rate was higher than for women. However, for both Aboriginal offenders and women the reconviction rates declined steadily over the three years of the study period. Finally, the majority of reconvictions occurred after the expiry of sentence when the offender was no longer under supervision in the community. http://ww2.ps-sp.gc.ca/publications/correc...df/200302_e.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UShaditComing Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 All depends on the type of criminal.Sexual offenders are the most likely to reoffend. http://ww2.ps-sp.gc.ca/publications/correc...df/200302_e.pdf Sexual offenders may be the most likely to reoffend but I wouldn't claim that because it's emotionally pleasing for you to do so. I would not make rash claims without first doing some research. If you insist on going off on a different track on this and talking about how to improve the penal system in Canada then just show some interest and I will dance with you on it. I don't think you really are because I think you are just another hating conservative who likes to complain and who wants an easy cheap solution. Really dumb thing to do because it just costs you more in the long run as it does in the US where they don't have the slightest idea about rehab and couldn't care less. I'm expecting Canadians to be just a 'little' bit smarter than that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 Best way to stop criminals from reoffending is to make jail terms longer and less desirable. The main reason why US crimne rates are down and prison rates are up is the 3 strikes rule.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 I would not make rash claims without first doing some research. Pardon? Of course rehabilitation works and we need to put more emphasis on making it work better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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