Cadman allegedly Offered Money

[Wild Bill]

I totally agree. If she is lying, they shouldn't have her in the party. If she is telling the truth, she will only get this question again and again and eventually, even with Harper saying nothing is amiss, it will have to be investigated.

If it is true, it would have been illegal. A vote for life insurance for a dying man?

Geez JD, you're like a starving dog on a bone. You just won't give up! The whole story is obviously fishy yet you keep talking about the consequences of it being true!

Occam's Razor!

By any chance, you're not a habitue of http://www.rense.com ?

[jdobbin]

We don't know if any of this is true, we don't know if Donna Cadman is telling the truth or not. Until names are named and this is confirmed or proven untrue, we know nothing. So far all we have is one person (the author ) making unproven allegations and drive by smears.

Actually, Dona Cadman once again asserted today it was true yet seemed hesitant about it. Why is that? It is either true or not. The Tories should be calling for an investigation or at the very least asking Cadman to step aside until it is cleared up.

[Leafless]

Maybe Donna Cadman is looking and hoping for an offer of a quick, cool $1,000,000 loonies to stay quite.

There is nothing wrong with being fairly compensated, is there?

[jdobbin]

Geez JD, you're like a starving dog on a bone. You just won't give up! The whole story is obviously fishy yet you keep talking about the consequences of it being true!

Occam's Razor!

By any chance, you're not a habitue of http://www.rense.com ?

Please refrain from personalizing.

Harper would like to brush this aside but he is the one with the candidate standing by the allegation. He has to either cut that candidate for lying or investigate her claims. He is doing neither.

[scribblet]

CTV Newsworld had a live interview on between Mike Duffy and Cadman two days before the vote was to take place. Cadman told Duffy that he wasn't being influenced by the Conservatives to vote against the budget.

They of course then continued on with their story even though it was just proven wrong.

Which insurance company would sell a dying man a million dollar life insurance policy and it sure doesn't seem to effect Cadman's wife as she continues to be a Conservative

[Riverwind]

Actually, Dona Cadman once again asserted today it was true yet seemed hesitant about it. Why is that? It is either true or not.

It is quite possible that there was a big misunderstanding. She may have never actually have seen the paper and was only going by her memory of her late husband's claims. I have no doubt that she sincerely believes what she thought she was told but human memory is fallable - especially during stressful times.

[capricorn]

I don't know whether this may have an impact on the investigation(s) into the alleged bribes but Mike Duffy related a personal conversation he had with Cadman prior to the crucial 2005 budget vote. Duffy said Cadman told him he had no choice but to vote with the Liberals to protect his pension entitlement. It seems that if Cadman had died while not a sitting MP (that is during an election campaign), his pension benefit would be negatively affected thereby affecting his wife's survivor benefits. Cadman was said to have voted with the Liberals on principle with regard to his stand on crime issues. If this story picks up steam, Cadman's reputation will take a nose dive. This is getting sicker by the minute.

[Borg]

For one thing you can now get Cancer insurance. This doesn't surprise me IF its true. It sounds like stuff that went on in the Mulroney days, cheating, corruption etc. I can see in the future were voters will get fed-up with both the Cons and the Libs and vote in the NDP just to see how honest they are compared to the other two. So who do you think the two Conservative were that offered? Reynolds? Perhaps Harper himself? Nay, he let someone else do the dirty work.

If you are already terminal you CANNOT get insurance - what you are talking about is critical illness insurance - and you have to be clean to get it. I carry it.

Borg

[BubberMiley]

I will reserve judgement until I see proof or confirmation from gov't that this actually happened.

You're waiting for the government to tell you what to believe? You're rarely so open about how you form your opinions.

[BubberMiley]

If you are already terminal you CANNOT get insurance - what you are talking about is critical illness insurance - and you have to be clean to get it. I carry it.

Borg

You can if you pay high enough premiums.

[Wilber]

You can if you pay high enough premiums.

Really? Lets have a reference.

[Topaz]

CTV Newsworld had a live interview on between Mike Duffy and Cadman two days before the vote was to take place. Cadman told Duffy that he wasn't being influenced by the Conservatives to vote against the budget.

They of course then continued on with their story even though it was just proven wrong.

Which insurance company would sell a dying man a million dollar life insurance policy and it sure doesn't seem to effect Cadman's wife as she continues to be a Conservative

Two things could have happen, one, Cadman couldn't come out and said anything because if he did he wouldn't have gotten the life insurance would he? Two, He may have thought it best not to mentioned it to anyone outside of his wife just in case he was palnning on going back to the party. Question, why did he leave the party anyway? Why would the cons take him back and yet not Casey?

[guyser]

Really? Lets have a reference.

You wont get one.

It is not on any insurance companies list of products.

It would, if true as I said earlier, be done at the highest level and not without some trade off , including large premiums and perhaps something else thrown in.

[BubberMiley]

Really? Lets have a reference.

http://www.lloyds.com/About_Us/What_is_Lloyds/

[Borg]

http://www.lloyds.com/About_Us/What_is_Lloyds/

Great, would you like a page reference for RBC or perhaps you might like a page reference for the Taj Mahal?

You are failing to prove your point and we do not have to do the research to back your claim.

Borg

[jdobbin]

Which insurance company would sell a dying man a million dollar life insurance policy and it sure doesn't seem to effect Cadman's wife as she continues to be a Conservative

And yet she said again the million dollar offer was made.

[Borg]

And yet she said again the million dollar offer was made.

So she is calling her husband - the man who stated on national television - "no offer was made" - a liar?

Still smells like the fishhas been in the sun too long.

Borg

[jdobbin]

It is quite possible that there was a big misunderstanding. She may have never actually have seen the paper and was only going by her memory of her late husband's claims. I have no doubt that she sincerely believes what she thought she was told but human memory is fallable - especially during stressful times.

Then she should say that. She hasn't. And since she hasn't, the Tories have a problem. She is their candidate and her memory over the issue could have criminal implications.

[jdobbin]

So she is calling her husband - the man who stated on national television - "no offer was made" - a liar?

Still smells like the fishhas been in the sun too long.

Then the Tories should drop her. Why haven't they?

[BubberMiley]

Great, would you like a page reference for RBC or perhaps you might like a page reference for the Taj Mahal?

Lloyds will ensure anything based on its risk. Providing Cadman with a million-dollar life insurance policy might cost $999,999.99, but they would provide it.

[scribblet]

So what about the CTV interview they did with Chuck Cadman right after the confidence vote where he says in it that the only "incentive" offered was an uncontested nomination in his riding if he voted with, and became a Conservative again....... This is Cadman on record, so this is obviously a 3rd party allegation...

[jdobbin]

So what about the CTV interview they did with Chuck Cadman right after the confidence vote where he says in it that the only "incentive" offered was an uncontested nomination in his riding if he voted with, and became a Conservative again....... This is Cadman on record, so this is obviously a 3rd party allegation...

And what about Cadman's wife today? Is she lying?

[Wild Bill]

Two things could have happen, one, Cadman couldn't come out and said anything because if he did he wouldn't have gotten the life insurance would he? Two, He may have thought it best not to mentioned it to anyone outside of his wife just in case he was palnning on going back to the party. Question, why did he leave the party anyway? Why would the cons take him back and yet not Casey?

The "cons" did not take him back! He was sitting as an independent at the time all this came down.

What had happened was that Chuck was a member of the Reform/Alliance party from before it morphed into the new Conservative Party. He was very popular and had won his seat handily. I could be mistaken but I believe he had won in more than one election term.

Anyhow, an ethnic group in his riding had decided to pull a traditional Liberal trick and swamp the riding nomination meeting to sweep in their candidate. This was easy to do under the old Reform/Alliance tradition of open nominations where the candidate had to get voted in by the local riding members. Liberals usually just appoint their candidates, perhaps to prevent this sort of thing, to give them the benefit of the doubt.

Anyhow, all these new members filled up the hall and presto! Cadman the incumbent MP was out and the ethnic group's man won the nomination to run as a Tory for the riding.

Unfortunately for this group, while they were feeling all smug with themselves for pulling off such a trick Chuck and the riding committee held their own meeting. They were pretty certain that Chuck's electoral support came as much or more from his own personal appeal as that of the party. So they all quit and helped Chuck run as an independent.

The tricksters found themselves without any experienced campaigners. Chuck won handily and they went down in flames.

Afterwards the Tories didn't really care about Chuck, other than a few expressions of sympathy for his shabby treatment. After all, he was an independent and in Canada that means you're a TOTAL nobody in Parliament!

Then came a crucial confidence vote, where the Tories needed every single vote they could get, including those from independents! Both the Liberals and the Tories courted Chuck. The Tories reminded him he was once one of their own. For the most part Chuck had voted with them before. The Liberals no doubt made mention of the shabby way he was forced out of the party. All the reporters were all over the situation, with their pens poised over their notepads. Chuck kept quiet until the very last minute.

Finally, Chuck announced that in true Reform tradition he was voting as per the wishes of the majority of his riding's constituents. That meant against the Tories!

Personally, I was hoping he'd go the other way but I couldn't help but admire his integrity! He held true to one of the strongest planks of the Reform platform. As an MP his job was not to do what his party wanted but to do what his VOTERS wanted! He was a hero, plain and simple.

Contrast his actions with those of all the trained seals in Parliament today. They'd all vote to serve tainted meat if their party whip told them to!

Edited February 29, 2008 by Wild Bill

[BubberMiley]

Contrast his actions with those of all the trained seals in Parliament today. They'd all vote to serve tainted meat if their party whip told them to!

That along with his initial reasons for entering politics and he certainly dispels the notion that all politicians are corrupt, liers, et cetera.

[windyman]

1 million dollar life insurance bribery scandal day after relatively well-received budget that could've reeled Dion. Nice Job Harper! Now if only Dion could soil Harper on this scandal enough to bring the Liberals back to 24 Sussex Drive it would be perfect for Canada. Dion seems like a pretty ethical guy who will listen to the people and present progressive policies.

Do you think Dion can do it?

This post was the opening post of a redundant thread entitled: Will "Cadmangate" cost Harper his PM job?

It has now been merged into this current thread.

Edited February 29, 2008 by Charles Anthony
merged redundant thread