What went wrong for Hillary Clinton?

[BubberMiley]

Then why didn't you win in 2004? The joke was on you...LOL!

Obama didn't run for president in 2004.

The GOP's unbroken string of miserable defeats since then must have hurt you terribly for you to still be clinging to that ancient, modest victory.

Edited May 30, 2008 by BubberMiley

[bush_cheney2004]

Obama didn't run for president in 2004.

The GOP's unbroken string of miserable defeats since then must have hurt you terribly for you to still be clinging to that ancient, modest victory.

Try to keep up if you can.....Americans re-elected President Bush after the WMD pretext and invasion of Iraq.

[BubberMiley]

Try to keep up if you can.....Americans re-elected President Bush after the WMD pretext and invasion of Iraq.

And since then, to your dismay, they have come to regret that terrible error. It must be very painful for you to see that even those he has chosen to be his voice to America have since realized the lies behind that pretext.

[bush_cheney2004]

And since then, to your dismay, they have come to regret that terrible error. It must be very painful for you to see that even those he has chosen to be his voice to America have since realized the lies behind that pretext.

Note that nothing changed after the 2006 mid terms either....still in Iraq with full appropriations from the US Congress. Seems that "lies" are just political currency. But lies haven't worked their magic for Senator Clinton.

[Barack 08]

"LOL" .... Wow.... I didn't realize I was arguing with a 17 year-old boy. My comments were geared toward the Post 04 Bush Regime...if you were Literate to any degree you would realize that.

[Barack 08]

Your argument is so weak Bush Cheney.....we are all talking about Bush from 04-08. Wow...you party got re elected..do you want a medal? or maybe just a hobby?

[bush_cheney2004]

Your argument is so weak Bush Cheney.....we are all talking about Bush from 04-08. Wow...you party got re elected..do you want a medal? or maybe just a hobby?

No, I would prefer just a modest McCain victory, if only to give you something to whine about and reason to stay in Canada. I hear that Susan Sarandon will join you if McCain wins.

Don't forget to count all the votes!

[White Doors]

Your argument is so weak Bush Cheney.....we are all talking about Bush from 04-08. Wow...you party got re elected..do you want a medal? or maybe just a hobby?

if they are so weak it should be easy for you to refute them instead of calling him names, n'est pas?

[Barack 08]

In response to White Doors...Take a look at your grammar. Your using Plural and Singular English referring the same object/person. I'm not trying to call you names...but if you do want to be a part of a debate...make sure you articulate yourself property bud...Nest Pas.

[Barack 08]

if they are so weak it should be easy for you to refute them instead of calling him names, n'est pas?

And aside from your repulsive grammar...what bad names did I call him?? If you can't handle the heat...stay out of the kitchen sweetheart.

[White Doors]

In response to White Doors...Take a look at your grammar. Your using Plural and Singular English referring the same object/person. I'm not trying to call you names...but if you do want to be a part of a debate...make sure you articulate yourself property bud...Nest Pas.

I see you know how to work the quote feature.

Do you always respond in kind while ignoring the subject.

fyi - the plural was for his arguments. (which you refered to in the plural previously) the singlular was for bush-cheney. Yes, despite his handle having two names, he is in fact, one person.

now that we have the cleared up, please carry on!

thanks!

[White Doors]

And aside from your repulsive grammar...what bad names did I call him?? If you can't handle the heat...stay out of the kitchen sweetheart.

I see, more grammer police. Awesome. Just what the site needs.

Ignore the argument and attack the grammer?

I came here to talk politics and it turns into a spelling bee.

haha

[bush_cheney2004]

In response to White Doors...Take a look at your grammar. Your using Plural and Singular English referring the same object/person. I'm not trying to call you names...but if you do want to be a part of a debate...make sure you articulate yourself property bud...Nest Pas.

Sorry..you whiffed again...here is your own poor "grammar"

Your argument is so weak Bush Cheney.....we are all talking about Bush from 04-08. Wow...you party got re elected..do you want a medal? or maybe just a hobby?

Spelling and grammar are the last refuge for a weak argument.

Edited May 30, 2008 by bush_cheney2004

[Barack 08]

I see, more grammer police. Awesome. Just what the site needs.

Ignore the argument and attack the grammer?

I came here to talk politics and it turns into a spelling bee.

haha

Haha!! I love it White Doors!! So your a Mccain fan from Canada? Most Canucks are Quite Liberal..no??

[Barack 08]

This isn't even an attack bush/cheney...but you have "economics trumps virtue" if i'm not mistaken...and McCain knows very little of the economy...is that not a little bit counter-productive?

[M.Dancer]

...make sure you articulate yourself property bud...Nest Pas.

Could you re-phrase that in a less ironical manner?

[bush_cheney2004]

This isn't even an attack bush/cheney...but you have "economics trumps virtue" if i'm not mistaken...and McCain knows very little of the economy...is that not a little bit counter-productive?

No, the last thing I want is a president thinking he knows anything about the economy. Besides, "Economics trumps virtue" is a statement about values and actions, no the economy per se.

[Barack 08]

the fact of the matter is, bush cheney 04, that under your brilliant leaders, the housing market in the united states has dropped a whopping 18%, thats a larger drop than at the lowest point of the great depression in 1932 when it was 10.5% and some prospects have the total cumulative drop estimated at 26% by the time everything is said and done, couple that with oil that has risen to over $130 a barrel and a national tax refund program that is not expected to perform any of its intended tasks as a hefty majority of receivers of said checks will be using said monies as either savings or minor debt repayments (and to preemptively rebut your contention that paying off debt is economic stimulus in and of itself, i hardly see $300-$600 checks solving loans on entire homes). if you truly wish against a president who is not so presumptuous as to assume he has economic expertise i would AT LEAST change your name to mccain 08.

as for values and actions? you speak of supporting a candidate who has actively sought the support of pastors who have unequivocally blamed american tragedies such as katrina and 9/11 on abortionists and gay rights activists (reverend right may have said america's chickens have come home to roost and 'god damn' america, but at least these statements were rooted in some sort of factual evidence sighting that the blundering foreign and domestic policies regarding essentially any other race except whites has been nothing short of horrifyingly detremental and thus hate-inducing in various communities and societies moreover). your current favored administration is all for breaking numerous civil and human rights acts in the name of 'security.' bush/cheney represents nothing but a couple of old men who enjoy overseeing s&m practices performed on prisoners held captive under little to no supporting evidence. mccain seems to value whichever political move will swing the greatest amount of voters his way, be they independents or conservatives, he will do whatever is necessary to try and acquire such votes, and has thus far shown himself to be quite inconsistent in doing so, not unlike john kerry in 2004.

values and actions are also not exactly what i would use to describe mccain, as he opposes the gi bill which would provide military personnel with access to better secondary education. why do this? well, it would seem that the 16% loss in soldier retention (which would actually be offset by 16% exactly with new recruits signing up as a result of this new bill) would amount to fewer troops in the minds of some. so what point is mccain making? he is essentially saying that "we need to keep the troops stupid and helpless enough to have no other choice but to stay in the army." some values from a man who wears his service on his sleeve proudly. wait for a mccain presidency, and see if he doesnt only turn his back on the troops' wellbeing but also on the anti-torture values he so adamantly stands by.

finally, the reason you say you don't want a president who thinks he is any sort of economist is because you are grasping on to a sickly weak argument. while mccain has made light of his economic shortcomings, jesting that his economic knowledge is struggling with even reading alan greenspans memoirs, barack obama has surrounded himself with actual economists helping him to assemble a coherent, solid economic policy proposal for his presidential bid. mccain likes to laugh it off while obama takes action. obama values knowledge and action as is clearly evident.

so sir, you can stand on your soapbox and cry foul all you wish. you can look to past victories and the outstandingly different circumstances of john kerry and michael dukakis, but the fact of the matter is, that mccain not only is far more similar to the aforementioned two but has even been dismissed as a losing candidate by one of the some outspoken and corrupt conservative figures of all: rupert murdoch, rush limbaugh, anne coulter et al. he is an idiot candidate who cannot even get one of the most submissive party bases behind him. quoting bill clinton in saying that "democrats like to fall in love and republicans like to fall in line" it would seem that the tide is indeed turning.

[bush_cheney2004]

the fact of the matter is, bush cheney 04, that under your brilliant leaders, the housing market in the united states has dropped a whopping 18%, thats a larger drop than at the lowest point of the great depression in 1932 when it was 10.5% and some prospects have the total cumulative drop estimated at 26% by the time everything is said and done....

Krikey....what a meaningless rant. No matter...all I want is for your ilk to simply win an election. You have just admitted you couldn't even beat George Bush after all these "sins".

Good luck in November.....I'm going with McCain (surprise!)

[DogOnPorch]

Good luck in November.....I'm going with McCain (surprise!)

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Any change is resisted because bureaucrats have a vested interest in the chaos in which they exist.

---Richard M. Nixon

[Barack 08]

Mild Rebuttal...perhaps a 4 out of 10. Anyhow this argument has gone off topic far too much! Either way it should be an exciting race from now on until November.

[bush_cheney2004]

Mild Rebuttal...perhaps a 4 out of 10. Anyhow this argument has gone off topic far too much! Either way it should be an exciting race from now on until November.

All is well, as it is never my intention to change a point of view. I could ramble on about more than half a century in Germany, Japan, or Korea. Or the history of tax rebates / cuts. Or the huge lead that Mike DoTaxUs squandered in 1988.

Or Senator McCain given up for dead in the primaries in last July.

The Democrats are inventing new ways to dick things up even as we speak...1/2 votes for Michigan and Florida delegations. Whatever happened to the 2000 battle cry of "Count All the Votes!"?

[jbg]

Personally I think Hillary has a better chance of defeating McCain than Obama, the democrats should be careful what they wish for.

For the same reason Muskie would have done better than McGovern against Nixon in 1972. The results this time around are equally predictable.

I live in Canada as an American citizen and am getting sick of being ashamed of my citizenship. Hillary won’t help this. Obama will be a major facelift to our foreign policy and international image.

The same way Jimmy Carter was. Edited May 31, 2008 by jbg

[BubberMiley]

The results this time around are equally predictable.

Many Republicans think the U.S. hasn't changed at all since 1968 or 1972, and are running their campaigns based on that assumption. It's even changed considerably since 1996, which is why McCain isn't even going to do as well as Bob Dole did then.

Edited May 31, 2008 by BubberMiley

[jbg]

Many Republicans think the U.S. hasn't changed at all since 1968 or 1972, and are running their campaigns based on that assumption. It's even changed considerably since 1996, which is why McCain isn't even going to do as well as Bob Dole did then.

With due respect, I think you're totally wrong. In many respects we're the same country as we were at any time since the introduction of black and female suffrage.