NATO, Afghanistan & Canada

[Rue]

Pipelines? Pipelines? Baltic Sea and Afghanistan?

Why is oil the usual suspect when looking to explain international events? Now there's a conspiracy for you: Exxon is behind the WTC attacks.

The oil pipeline proposal is not suspect. It was clearly stated openly and without any inferences. Its public domain.

No one ever hid the intent to place the piplelines through Afghanistan.

[White Doors]

Not conquered. Look at the above carefully. Whether it was Alexander, the Mongols, or these Indian kigdoms you refer to they did not ever have state wide control, ever, just fragmented zones of control no different then what we see today.

Alexander was no more in control of Afghanistan then NATO is today or the Soviets or British were in the past. Same old, same old.

The fact that you send an army in and occupy some of the land does not mean you have conquered the people or the nation. So sorry I absolutely disagree on your interpretation of these alleged acts of conquering. They were temporary, fragmented occupations of only certain zones.

No one, no Mongol, no Greek, no Caucasian, no Persian, no one has ever controlled the mountains.

What a ridiculous, asinine conclusion.

That's like saying Germany didn't conquer France because they French had a vichy government!

I think you should think about what you are saying here.

You have lopped up the false logic that you have been spoon fed and now you are simply saying 'no and that's it. sorry if I don't tag along here.

controlled the mountains.. lol. that's a good one. how about flattening the mountains into merely hills ala torabora? unreal.

[Rue]

To be specific Alexander at best was able to occupy parts of Northern Afghanistan and the other "conquerings" Black Dog referred to consisted of a series of battles of cities but no unified control of the entire kingdom.

Anytime an occupying force entered it at best engaged in and won localized battles.

The many tribes in Afghanistan were never unified and formed temporary alliances to drive who-ever it was out.

It was not in fact until until the reign of Ahmad Shah Durrani starting in 1747 did the Afghani tribes maintain a unity behind this monarchy and it was this line of monarchy that lasted until 1973 and brought technically the only unity the country has ever known under one force.

All these previous alleged conquerings were in fact fragmented and rolling conflicts and long before Alexander, there were others who rolled in and through Afghanistan because it was not possible to stay and control all of it, just those parts you rolled into defeated in battle temporarily and then had to move on from to yet another conflict zone.

This is precisely why the Mughal Empire of India and the Safavi Empire of Iran in the 1th, 17th and 18th eighteenth centuries, were static not fixed and when Afghanistan came into into the 19th century it found itself yet again caught between Russian and British empires looking for expansion.

It is precisely because there continue to be humans foolish enough to believe you can conquer Afghanistan why it serves as quick-sand and has forced even mighty armies such as Alexanders or the Mongols to keep moving or perish.

Only a fool would think you could create a line of logistics that could support total control within its borders given the mountain ranges that make it impossible for anyone to control.

At best all Afghanistan can ever be is a council of tribal leaders each with their own zone.

[August1991]

The oil pipeline proposal is not suspect. It was clearly stated openly and without any inferences. Its public domain.

No one ever hid the intent to place the piplelines through Afghanistan.

The war in Afghanistan is not about pipelines and I suggest that you look at a map large enough to show both the Baltic Sea and Central Asia.

It is precisely because there continue to be humans foolish enough to believe you can conquer Afghanistan why it serves as quick-sand and has forced even mighty armies such as Alexanders or the Mongols to keep moving or perish.

Only a fool would think you could create a line of logistics that could support total control within its borders given the mountain ranges that make it impossible for anyone to control.

At best all Afghanistan can ever be is a council of tribal leaders each with their own zone.

NATO is not an Empire and has no desire to conquer Afghanistan.

[White Doors]

To be specific Rome at best was able to occupy parts of Southern Britain and the other "conquerings" Black Dog referred to consisted of a series of battles of cities but no unified control of the entire kingdom.

Anytime an occupying force entered it at best engaged in and won localized battles.

The many tribes in Britain were never unified and formed temporary alliances to drive who-ever it was out.

It was not in fact until until the reign of William the conqueror starting in 1066 did the British tribes maintain a unity behind this monarchy and it was this line of monarchy that lasted until present and brought technically the only unity the country has ever known under one force.

All these previous alleged conquerings were in fact fragmented and rolling conflicts and long before William, there were others who rolled in and through Britain because it was not possible to stay and control all of it, just those parts you rolled into defeated in battle temporarily and then had to move on from to yet another conflict zone.

This is precisely why the Saxons of Northen Europe and the Vikings of Scandinavia in the 7th, 8th and 9th eighteenth centuries, were static not fixed and when Britain came into the 11th century it found itself yet again caught between the Irish and Scottish empires looking for expansion.

It is precisely because there continue to be humans foolish enough to believe you can conquer Britain why it serves as quick-sand and has forced even mighty armies such as Htilers or Stalins to keep moving or perish.

Only a fool would think you could create a line of logistics that could support total control within its borders given the mountain ranges that make it impossible for anyone to control.

At best all of the UK can ever be is a council of tribal leaders each with their own zone.

Point? Afghanistan is far from unique.

[M.Dancer]

40 minutes ago

I see they're playing the "terrorist" card...it was only a matter of time...

If you want to look silly by posting news items that clearly illustrate the today's Serbia is 180 degrees from the Serbia of Milosevic I suppose I should not hinder you.

The lessons of FRY are a sterling example of international cooperation and robust military action in face of a rogue state. Let Serbia pursue any and all political and diplomatic options reagrding Kosovo, it's a far cry from the rape gangs and death squads of the past. They would still be there of course, if it wasn't for NATO, the UN and Canadian Armed Forces.

Lets hope afghanistan will make such progress.

[eyeball]

Lets hope so but I think there's another lesson to be found in the difference between the two places. Serbia is surrounded by relative stability and people who are not, aside from Russian diplomatic hyperbole, keeping things simmering. Afghanistan on the other hand is nearly surrounded by countries that are unstable or on the verge - which of course the West has had a big hand in causing amd maintaining.

In any case, it looks like we're going to be there for a great many years to come and you've still got my financial support so...soldier on I guess. You guys seem to think you know what you're doing.

I just hope the other shoe doesn't fall anywhere near me when it does.

[Army Guy]

In any case, it looks like we're going to be there for a great many years to come and you've still got my financial support so...soldier on I guess. You guys seem to think you know what you're doing.

I just hope the other shoe doesn't fall anywhere near me when it does.

And your ready for that, many years to come....your financial support was never in doubt. As for us knowing what we are doing...i think we are in good hands, i think our record speaks for itself....

I never took you as a quiter eyeball, i guess we move on to get you to vote for the Cons....

[eyeball]

i guess we move on to get you to vote for the Cons....

Don't push your luck.