Two Bombings Wreak Carnage in Iraqi Capital

[jbg]

It has become fashionable in many circles to blame Israel and Bush for everything bad that happens in the world. The theory is that if Israel would "negotiate reasonably" and the US weren't trying to dominate the world, the world would be at peace. The article excerpted below shows the fallacious nature of these views. Can't anyone understand why Israel doesn't want these "people" excercising a "right of return"? Today, in Iraq, Al Quaeda of Mespotamia used two mentally defective people as homicide bombers, to attack a bird and animal market.

Did the attackers know who they were killiing? Did they care? Or is all these "people" are interested in death? Excerpts below (link):

Two Bombings Wreak Carnage in Iraqi Capital

By STEPHEN FARRELL and MUDHAFER AL-HUSAINI

Published: February 2, 2008

BAGHDAD — Two women strapped with explosives killed dozens of people at Baghdad pet markets on Friday, in the kind of carnage that the Iraqi capital hoped it had left behind.

Despondent bird sellers were clearing human flesh, bloodied feathers and the heads of the two women in the deadliest day in the city for at least six months.

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The Iraqi police said the bombs had killed at least 65 people and wounded about 150. The American military, which gave a lower combined death toll of 27, said it suspected the two bombings were the work of Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia, the homegrown Sunni insurgent group that it believes is foreign led.

Iraqi security officials said the women were mentally disabled, but offered no conclusive evidence. The Iraqi officials said the bombs were set off by remote control.

The attacks happened at the hugely popular Ghazil animal bazaar and the smaller New Baghdad bird market. Both markets are in mixed areas of eastern Baghdad and have been attacked numerous times before, the Ghazil market at least five times in the past two years.

The blast at the walled-off Ghazil market, near the Mosque of the Caliphs, exploded shortly after 10 a.m. at exactly the same spot as a Nov. 23 bomb hidden inside a box of birds in which 13 people died. The market was crowded, especially with children and teenagers excited by the brightly hued birds and tropical fish, despite the previous attacks.

The bomb there on Friday killed 38 people, the Iraqi police said. As adults collected scraps of flesh from a nearby roof, children helped pick up the human remains. “Death has become so normal for us,” said one of those children, a boy, 13, who gave his name as Uday. “It doesn’t scare me anymore because I’ve seen a lot up to now.”

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A suicide bomber is “more of a precise delivery tool,” Maj. Gen. Mark P. Hertling, the American commander in northern Iraq, said last month. The tactic, he said, was one way in which Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia was adapting to the proliferation of Iraqi Army, police and Awakening movement checkpoints in Diyala, just north of Baghdad.

“With cars, sometimes you can and sometimes you can’t get them through checkpoints, but you can precisely kill people with suicide vests,” he said. He also noted “an increase in the recruiting of widows of former terrorists to be suicide vest wearers.”

These are savage animals. What more is there to say?

[Oleg Bach]

It has become fashionable in many circles to blame Israel and Bush for everything bad that happens in the world. The theory is that if Israel would "negotiate reasonably" and the US weren't trying to dominate the world, the world would be at peace. The article excerpted below shows the fallacious nature of these views. Can't anyone understand why Israel doesn't want these "people" excercising a "right of return"? Today, in Iraq, Al Quaeda of Mespotamia used two mentally defective people as homicide bombers, to attack a bird and animal market.

Did the attackers know who they were killiing? Did they care? Or is all these "people" are interested in death? Excerpts below (link):

These are savage animals. What more is there to say?

Latest report was that the suicide bombers were developmentally handicaped females who were uses as human torpedoes..and the charges were detonated by remote control - now that is low - and don't tell me that this is in the name of God and some just cause. These killers are just plain nasty. Still it makes me think back a couple of years when a former intelligence officer in southern Cal. informed me privately that American operatives had set off car bombs also...but I won't get into that dangerous area at this point.... there are no good guys operating in this theatre...the whole thing is one huge abuse of Iraq...by all parties involved!

[DogOnPorch]

Horrible. Similar lack of morals as using children to get into the Green Zone a while back...then blowing them up remotely after fleeing.

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[buffycat]

Does anyone remember the reports coming out of Iraq where various peoples' cars were being 'held' by allied forces, then upon returning them to their owners, it was found that suddenly explosives were packed into the vehicles, which could easily be remotely detonated?

Something screams false flag here to me. (Recall the captured Brits dressed as Arabs with tonnes of explosives).

Something is very wrong here, very wrong indeed.

I also find it rather worrisome that four cables have been cut, reducing internet traffic across the mid east and India. Funny - but didn't the FBI silence a whack of Muslim internet sites just prior to the 911 fiasco? Afterall, another 'attack' on America would serve her master's wish for neverending war quite well.

Divide, conquer, deceive...

[Michael Hardner]

Of course, the bombings are horrifying but to suggest that because a bombing happened in Iraq, there shouldn't be negotiations in Israel is ridiculous.

[scribblet]

The BBC is reporting it too, I suppose there's no way it can be confirmed now. It's not unbelievable considering previous actions, including the use of children as human bombs, and not the first time they have used a handicapped child.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6889106/

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Iraq’s interior minister said Monday that insurgents used a handicapped child as one of the suicide bombers who launched attacks on election day.

Falah al-Naqib told reporters in Baghdad that 38 attacks were carried out on polling stations in Iraq on Sunday and that one of the suicide bombings was carried out by a disabled child.

“A handicapped child was used to carry out a suicide attack on a polling site,” al-Naqib said. “This is an indication of what horrific actions they are carrying out.”

[DogOnPorch]

Something screams false flag here to me. (Recall the captured Brits dressed as Arabs with tonnes of explosives).

Nobody seems to have a solid picture of what these two fellows were up to. Acting alone? Trying to bust someone out of jail? Looking to rob a bank? Etc, etc, etc... Naturally, Prison Planet has their view...

Do you have some links?

I also find it rather worrisome that four cables have been cut, reducing internet traffic across the mid east and India. Funny - but didn't the FBI silence a whack of Muslim internet sites just prior to the 911 fiasco? Afterall, another 'attack' on America would serve her master's wish for neverending war quite well.

We'll see...lol. It's indeed quaint to think 007 is out there somewhere. Seems the Egyptian cables were cut by ships dragging their anchors outside Alexandria harbor...which is full. That's according to the Egyptians, anyways. But, other sources claim terrorism which is possible as cutting off India's outsourcing from its clients in the West costs untold huge bucks.

Or it could be just pure dumb [bad] luck...

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[jbg]

Of course, the bombings are horrifying but to suggest that because a bombing happened in Iraq, there shouldn't be negotiations in Israel is ridiculous.

The point is that it's pointless to negotiate with people who don't have a shared goal of peace.

[Michael Hardner]

The point is that it's pointless to negotiate with people who don't have a shared goal of peace.

In other words, if Al Quaida strikes in Iraq, then we should cease negotiations with Palestine... and I guess by extension... Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, uh... Dubai... uh... Saudi Arabia... and... Iraq ?

I know that you have a strong sense of outrage of what happened, but something gets confused when people try to flip an emotional response into an instant policy idea.

[jbg]

I know that you have a strong sense of outrage of what happened, but something gets confused when people try to flip an emotional response into an instant policy idea.

OK, I'll admit there's a difference between sending retarded people into an Iraqi market with a remote controlled bomb, and sending children with exploding toys into an Israeli civilian facility and detonating the children by remote control. You have a point.

Even more different is the way the first assassination attempt on Benizir Bhutto was carried out, where a baby carriage containing a baby for Benizir to "kiss" was detonated, leaving her unharmed by killing a multitude of other people. Are you so blind that you don't see a pattern?

[Michael Hardner]

Are you so blind that you don't see a pattern?

jbq,

I know a lot about 'patterns' otherwise known as causation.

Your idea is that someone's religion causes them to behave violently, and therefore that people who adhere to that religion are not human.

It is pure and unadulterated bunk.

[Guest American Woman]

This is a ridiculous statement:

It has become fashionable in many circles to blame Israel and Bush for everything bad that happens in the world. The theory is that if Israel would "negotiate reasonably" and the US weren't trying to dominate the world, the world would be at peace.

I don't know of one person who thinks "the world would be at peace" if it weren't for Bush. I don't know anyone stupid/gullible/niave enough to believe that the world would be at peace. Recognizing that things would be more peaceful than they are if it weren't for Bush is a totally different thought from "the world being at peace."

...the way the first assassination attempt on Benizir Bhutto was carried out, [...] a baby carriage containing a baby for Benizir to "kiss" was detonated, leaving her unharmed by killing a multitude of other people. Are you so blind that you don't see a pattern?

Brings to mind how bombs have been dropped on innocent Afghans in an attempt to get bin Laden, leaving him unharmed by killing a (huge) multitude of other people. And of course we brought the same situation to Iraq, with talk now of Iran. I'm guessing some people see a pattern there.

[Michael Hardner]

Hear, hear, aw.

Another pattern might be how the USSR and USA played countries like Afghanistan, Angola, Vietnam, Nicaragua and Cuba as chess pieces in a larger game and how several of the pawns turned against their own king in those games.

[bush_cheney2004]

Hear, hear, aw.

Another pattern might be how the USSR and USA played countries like Afghanistan, Angola, Vietnam, Nicaragua and Cuba as chess pieces in a larger game and how several of the pawns turned against their own king in those games.

Yes, just like the Russians and British Empire did in the late 19th century. Or Britain and France in the 18th century. Or.......

Canada and the USA partially owe their existence to such "games".

Edited February 2, 2008 by bush_cheney2004

[Michael Hardner]

Yes, just like the Russians and British Empire did in the late 19th century. Or Britain and France in the 18th century. Or.......

Canada and the USA partially owe their existence to such "games".

Granted, but doesn't it seem that the cost of a pawn such as Afghanistan has soared over the past 30 years ?

[DogOnPorch]

Hear, hear, aw.

Another pattern might be how the USSR and USA played countries like Afghanistan, Angola, Vietnam, Nicaragua and Cuba as chess pieces in a larger game and how several of the pawns turned against their own king in those games.

Certainly, concidering they were all innocent countries with no goals of their own by letting the US and USSR 'use them as pawns'...naive babes and all that they were/are. What's the old saying?? It takes two to tango?

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[Michael Hardner]

It takes two to tango?

What are you saying ? That Iraq was complicit in allowing themselves to be taken over by Hussein ? That the strongmen and corruption that kept puppet states going long enough to inflict cold war era damage were legitimate means to an end ?

[DogOnPorch]

What are you saying ? That Iraq was complicit in allowing themselves to be taken over by Hussein ? That the strongmen and corruption that kept puppet states going long enough to inflict cold war era damage were legitimate means to an end ?

Nice words...*spit*....you don't mind if I remove them from my mouth?

Both North Viet-Nam and South Viet-Nam had the world to gain by getting cozy with their favorite superpower. Any sh*t-hole country that does wants something from said 'superpower'...either weapons...food...money...technology. Cuba even played the game both ways...taking support then giving it again...in places such as Angola.

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[Michael Hardner]

Well... those countries had to pick a side... the powers in the game were the US and USSR.

[DogOnPorch]

Well... those countries had to pick a side... the powers in the game were the US and USSR.

Care to back that statement up? Show where these countries were forced to 'play the game'.

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[Michael Hardner]

You don't think Cuba would have faced an invasion by the US if they didn't have an ally in the USSR ?

That's just one example.

[DogOnPorch]

You don't think Cuba would have faced an invasion by the US if they didn't have an ally in the USSR ?

That's just one example.

It would have nothing to do with the revolutionairy zeal of Che & crew derailing US intersts in Cuba...no....not at all. And nothing at all to do with Cuban ex-pats willing to carry out the job...of course not.

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[Michael Hardner]

My point is that these countries were used by the superpowers.

I suppose you could blame the Cuban people for supporting a popular revolution, or the Vietnamese for wanting their own country.

The US and USSR, by and large, had their way with such places. In some cases it worked out better than others. Was it smart for the US to support any despot that opposed communism ? At the time maybe it was, but I would say that the long term costs were probably underestimated.

Wouldn't you ?

[DogOnPorch]

...or the Vietnamese for wanting their own country.

South Viet-Nam was a country. They didn't want to be part of the North. Too young to remember that bit? Or just forgetful?

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[Michael Hardner]

Too young...