bush_cheney2004 Posted January 5, 2008 Report Posted January 5, 2008 Dear bush_cheney2004,I agree that there are no absolutes, but argue that 'race' was originally moreso defined by past environments than recent 'social constructs', for good or ill. What rankled me from the original question was the notion of applying the qualifiers 'good or bad' to race, or racial mixing. it is neither good nor bad, it just is. Until, of course, someone suggests an 'end goal', in which case racial mixing would then be looked at as 'beneficial', or 'detrimental', to that goal. Ok...but we know from experience with other species and sub-species that "race" is really just the absence of genetic diversity. Environment certainly cements the deal. Not unexpectedly, the Human Genome Project confirms this for humans. I agree that judgements for "good" or "bad" are really framed by the "end goal" of such thinking. Loaded terms like "race mixing" are in and of themselves quite judgemental; turns out that "hybrid vigor" is a good thing. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Oleg Bach Posted January 5, 2008 Report Posted January 5, 2008 Ok...but we know from experience with other species and sub-species that "race" is really just the absence of genetic diversity. Environment certainly cements the deal. Not unexpectedly, the Human Genome Project confirms this for humans. I agree that judgements for "good" or "bad" are really framed by the "end goal" of such thinking. Loaded terms like "race mixing" are in and of themselves quite judgemental; turns out that "hybrid vigor" is a good thing. We certainly need more vigor. Mutts are much better...nothing more wacky than a pony bred with a close relative - in ancient times the Egyptians would inbreed brother and sister in order to create a Horace - or a god-human..it worked some of the time and amazing humans were created..much like the inbreeding of fine race horses - the closer related the more powerful and swift high level bio-machine would be created - UNTIL..the inbreeding was taken to far and a negative small sculled retarded creature would be produced - and instead of a human-god you got createn...IF were were to mix the races in order to create a super race - there would be one ulitimate end product....that would be the temptation to go even higher in quality and start instead of continued cross breeding to eventual inbreeding - best to let nature take it's course and best to let those that fall in love breed - those that breed for anyother reason should not be restricted from breeding - power marriages should be outlawed - offspring from such arrangements always end up over privledged and abusive.....so get to it kids - get your self a Philipino maid and boink her - just don't tell the wife. Quote
sideshow Posted January 6, 2008 Report Posted January 6, 2008 I'm willing to travel the globe and help prevent inbreeding amongst the races. Quote
RB Posted January 6, 2008 Report Posted January 6, 2008 Lot of folks have preconceived notions of who and what they wish to date. Women make up their minds and look for certain personality traits and physical characteristics for dating, mating and marrying. Here are some traits: 1) Men have to have some personality otherwise they only become "friend" material 2) Ambition - knows what he wants and how to get there 3) Intelligent 4) Sense of humor, can also laugh 5) Good conversation 7) etc. etc. 6) Tall, strong, dark, handsome etc. Men are less choosy in their selection for dating (means sex) 1) Anything in skirts works for dating (well according your response from this thread) 2) For marrying I think men are very choosy (demur but fanciful in bed and ideally blonde) However in reality, even though you have your list of requirements for a mate, I don't think you can dismiss that that you can become attracted to unlikely potential. So it is how open you are to other cultures, and your biases, your threshold for tolerance etc. your life experiences Inter-racial dating is more acceptable in society now, the common relations are: 1) white women with black men 2) white men with asian women You don't see much of Asian men with white women or black women with white men and some person probably already have the explanation why. Quote
Community Advocate Posted January 6, 2008 Report Posted January 6, 2008 And still a hottie!! Yeah, but now it comes in flashes! lol Quote
DogOnPorch Posted January 7, 2008 Report Posted January 7, 2008 (edited) I'm willing to travel the globe and help prevent inbreeding amongst the races. I'd help...but my wife would probably notice. Anglo Saxons are so inbreed to the point that they are also now of inferiour qualtity - and the Jews that are not smart enough to instill some genetic refreshment into the race or so-called religion are suffering also - because of religious elitist traditions the Jews have breed themselves into stupidity. Wow...you really come up with some misinformed comments. Sort of reminds me of phrenology...that 'science' so popular at one time. http://www.jinfo.org/Nobel_Prizes.html You don't see much of Asian men with white women or black women with white men and some person probably already have the explanation why. I don't have an answer...other than that Beyonce is super hot...and so is Scarlett Johannsen. But one can look at pornography...errrrr....look at the adult entertainment business and see that certain 'races' of women and men are common in the business while others are near non-existent. It speaks out about 'race relations' in a way that some poll could never do... Perhaps an exaggeration of real life??? ----------------------------------------------------------------- And most recently of all, a "Roman Toga Party" was held from which we have received more than two dozen reports of individual acts of perversion SO profound and disgusting that decorum prohibits listing them here. ----Animal House Edited January 7, 2008 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
RB Posted January 7, 2008 Report Posted January 7, 2008 But one can look at pornography...errrrr....look at the adult entertainment business and see that certain 'races' of women and men are common in the business while others are near non-existent. It speaks out about 'race relations' in a way that some poll could never do... Perhaps an exaggeration of real life??? Well in that case it's about time the entertainment business introduce some new imagery, no... 'cause I don't know how else I am going to become educated enough to make the call of judgment as to who should date whom and also marry. Anyway, what kinds of people are we talking about with this inter-racial dating. I keep thinking its only white, black and asian...who else were we concern about entering into some various gene pool. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted January 7, 2008 Report Posted January 7, 2008 Anyway, what kinds of people are we talking about with this inter-racial dating. I keep thinking its only white, black and asian...who else were we concern about entering into some various gene pool. I doubt is really even an issue in terms of nature (drive to reproduce et al). DIfferences tend to be cultural more than anything physical. As hinted at, it'd be hard to choose between Beyonce, Scarlett...Gajini Asin or any number of beautiful women from around the planet. That's why I mentioned the adult entertainment industry as it is non-PC for the most part and makes money by being right about what people (not just men) like in these terms...not about being wrong. Simply that... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The major civilizing force in the world is not religion, it is sex. ---Hugh Hefner Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
RB Posted January 7, 2008 Report Posted January 7, 2008 (edited) That's why I mentioned the adult entertainment industry as it is non-PC for the most part and makes money by being right about what people (not just men) like in these terms...not about being wrong. I see what you mean about the adult industry. The porn industry, entertainment clubs is for men mostly. Women are paid but are also exploited. But not to hijack this thread. The percent of beautiful women around the world is less than 1%. I don't think that Beyonce is a good representation of what men see in say "black" women hence would go off shagging black women. I would be shocked if someone offer some evidence to suggest otherwise. On the other hand "white" women are desirable by any race males even when the women are overwhelmingly lacking characteristics found in desirable in "other" races. Hence, some women don't have to worry, they are never short of mates to date, mate, marry. Well, I should also clarify the women should also be in their prime. I don't have the divorce statistics for these folks, say if they are over 40. Edited January 7, 2008 by RB Quote
capricorn Posted January 7, 2008 Report Posted January 7, 2008 Yeah, but now it comes in flashes! lol You must be jesting. Surely you must know that not all women have hot flashes or even experience menopause. When I'm hot, it's not because of menopause or July heat for that matter. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
M.Dancer Posted January 7, 2008 Report Posted January 7, 2008 The percent of beautiful women around the world is less than 1%. ....yeah if you're gay. I mean, it's like vegetarians commenting of the tastiness of meat. If you Eliminate the very old and the very young, the disabled and the intellectually feeble, the percentage is exactly 92.134% I know. My name is Morris Dancer and I've done the research. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
RB Posted January 7, 2008 Report Posted January 7, 2008 ....yeah if you're gay. I mean, it's like vegetarians commenting of the tastiness of meat. If you Eliminate the very old and the very young, the disabled and the intellectually feeble, the percentage is exactly 92.134%I know. My name is Morris Dancer and I've done the research. OK, so you wish to credit the masses and yourself that all persons are beautiful. Sure, there is inner beauty and everyone is beautiful. However, there were some particular names mentioned in terms of beauty Beyonce, Scarlett hence it sets a pattern of standard for comparison. Indeed if every person were beautiful they would be living their dreams, waist-to-hip ratio of approximately 0.70, slender etc. what men find attractive in women. 92.134% women are dis-satisfied with their appearance and purchasing all sorts of beauty products to look like these Jean Harlow Audrey Hepburn Marilyn Monroe Angelina Jolie Julia Stiles Patricia Arquette Mary Pickford Sharon Tate Stacy Kiebler Trish Stratus Claudia Cardinale Lucy Liu Catherine Zeta Jones Grace Kelly Nicole Kidman Lana Turner Halle Berry Charlize Theron Gwen Stefani Alyssa Milano Rose McGowan Greta Garbo Eliza Dushku Uma Thurman Faye Dunaway Hedy Lamarr Leslie Caron Claudette Colbert Myrna Loy Jennifer Jones Fay Wray Jewel Kilcher Rebecca Romijn Stamos Anna Kournikova Daryl Hannah Salma Hayek Norma Talmadge Torrie Wilson Cameron Diaz Jennifer Lopez Kelly Monaco Elizabeth Montgomery Christina Aguilera Shakira Natalie Portman Vivien Leigh Alexis Thorpe Reese Witherspoon Natalie Wood Lauren Bacall Rita Hayworth Ida Lupino Arianne Zuker Julie Newmar Cindy Crawford Jana Speaker Angela Dodson Gia Carangi Brooke Shields Ingrid Bergman Nargis Dutt Madhuri Dixit Sarah Michelle Gellar Angelica Lee Kajol Devgan Gwyneth Paltrow Geri Halliwell Victoria Beckham Tara Reid Rachael Leigh Cook Edna Purviance Carole Lombard Virginia Cherrill Jessica Biel Joan Blondell Linda Darnell Rebecka Liljeberg Katie Holmes Michelle Pfeiffer Heather Graham Eva Marie Saint Julianne Moore Elisabeth Hasselbeck Jenny Mccarthy Debbie Reynolds Fiona Apple James King Shannon Elizabeth Katherine Hepburn Elisha Cuthbert Ursula Andress Selma Blair Christina Applegate Alexis Bledel Nanako Matsushima Miki Nakatani Ji-hyun Jun Kate Winslet Jennifer Garner Natassia Malthe Quote
geoffrey Posted January 7, 2008 Report Posted January 7, 2008 However, there were some particular names mentioned in terms of beauty Beyonce, Scarlett hence it sets a pattern of standard for comparison. That's not exactly true. If any guy goes expecting all women to be like Beyonce, they aren't going to be very successful. I'm sure you find some men attractive that aren't on par with Brad Pitt or George Clooney. Quote RealRisk.ca - (Latest Post: Prosecutors have no "Skin in the Game") --
DogOnPorch Posted January 7, 2008 Report Posted January 7, 2008 I don't think that Beyonce is a good representation of what men see in say "black" women hence would go off shagging black women. I would be shocked if someone offer some evidence to suggest otherwise. Well...back a few years...ahem...I had a thing for Lauryn Hill and Grace Jones...does that count?? I know. My name is Morris Dancer and I've done the research. That's not exactly true. If any guy goes expecting all women to be like Beyonce, they aren't going to be very successful. Heh....I know. I have this one single friend still holding out for Jessica Simpson. Or is it Jessica Alba? Either would give him a heart-attack, I'm sure. Plus, she has to cook like his mother... On the other hand "white" women are desirable by any race males... Thus the old internet joke that the porn industry owes its' existence to young, rich, oppressed Arab males. The rest download it for free. 92.134% women are dis-satisfied with their appearance and purchasing all sorts of beauty products to look like these...(list follows) Oooooooooo....ain't that the truth. Sums up today's visit to the mall. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- It's much easier for me to make major life, multi-million dollar decisions, than it is to decide on a carpet for my front porch. ---Oprah Winfrey Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Wild Bill Posted January 7, 2008 Report Posted January 7, 2008 OK, so you wish to credit the masses and yourself that all persons are beautiful. Sure, there is inner beauty and everyone is beautiful. However, there were some particular names mentioned in terms of beauty Beyonce, Scarlett hence it sets a pattern of standard for comparison. Indeed if every person were beautiful they would be living their dreams, waist-to-hip ratio of approximately 0.70, slender etc. what men find attractive in women. 92.134% women are dis-satisfied with their appearance and purchasing all sorts of beauty products to look like these Jean Harlow Audrey Hepburn Marilyn Monroe Angelina Jolie ... Geez, sometimes I get a strong reminder that I grew up in a different time! Then again, my tastes have never been mainstream. The majority of women on this list do nothing for me. Where's Loni Anderson? Where's Mae West? I've always liked my women curvy AND smart! Many of the women on this list have about as much appeal as something inflatable...IMHO. Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
M.Dancer Posted January 7, 2008 Report Posted January 7, 2008 OK, so you wish to credit the masses and yourself that all persons are beautiful. Sure, there is inner beauty and everyone is beautiful. However, there were some particular names mentioned in terms of beauty Beyonce, Scarlett hence it sets a pattern of standard for comparison. Indeed if every person were beautiful they would be living their dreams, waist-to-hip ratio of approximately 0.70, slender etc. what men find attractive in women. 92.134% women are dis-satisfied with their appearance and purchasing all sorts of beauty products to look like these Jean Harlow Audrey Hepburn Marilyn Monroe ..... There's this website that has pic of most of those women without make-up or flattering lighting.....Monroe was prone to blotchy skin and bloating. Hannah can look like an awful fright... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
RB Posted January 7, 2008 Report Posted January 7, 2008 I'm sure you find some men attractive that aren't on par with Brad Pitt or George Clooney. Well, George Clooney is a damn sexy man. I am a bit hard to please to say the least. But thats probably because I always thought this love deal should come as a surprise however pleasant or unpleasant it might be. I mean what is the point of "love is blind" colorless, if we are going to keep a list of eligible men and arrange love ourselves. The only category that different race will be filed under is: 1) Friend and Hang-out. A reason why there is less inter-racial decisions for dating? Quote
M.Dancer Posted January 7, 2008 Report Posted January 7, 2008 The only category that different race will be filed under is: 1) Friend and Hang-out. A reason why there is less inter-racial decisions for dating? Over the years of my singleness I had 5 jewish lovers, one japanese, one korean, one black, one native canadian, one tamil, one pakistani...and a few dozen europeans..... The reason there were fewer interracial lovers was opportunity, or the lack there of. And as long as minorities stay minorities, the opportunities will stay lowered. ...now had I lived for a spell in Tokyo or Hydrabad, the tally might have been different. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
RB Posted January 7, 2008 Report Posted January 7, 2008 Over the years of my singleness I had 5 jewish lovers, one japanese, one korean, one black, one native canadian, one tamil, one pakistani...and a few dozen europeans.....The reason there were fewer interracial lovers was opportunity, or the lack there of. And as long as minorities stay minorities, the opportunities will stay lowered. ...now had I lived for a spell in Tokyo or Hydrabad, the tally might have been different. How much sex we’re having You'd fall into the 29% category, it is a US survey. I don't know how much the weather affects having sex in Canada. Black men and women were more likely to report having 15 or more partners in a lifetime than other racial or ethnic groups. Most statistics point to men having sex with about 20 different women in a lifetime and women having sex with 6 different men in their lifetime. (different cultures for sex - probably if the opportunity is presented as you say), there is certainly not this much inter-racial marriages resulting from this exchange of sex. Quote
M.Dancer Posted January 7, 2008 Report Posted January 7, 2008 (different cultures for sex - probably if the opportunity is presented as you say), there is certainly not this much inter-racial marriages resulting from this exchange of sex. In my own family, my brother in law is married to a swiss born japanese woman, My brother is married to a serb and I almost married a jewish girl from montreal and a Tamil/telagu from cape breton. Race has never blined me to the possibility of love. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
White Doors Posted January 7, 2008 Report Posted January 7, 2008 my brother in law is married to a swiss born japanese woman Dancer, You are Japanese? Quote Those Dern Rednecks done outfoxed the left wing again.~blueblood~
M.Dancer Posted January 7, 2008 Report Posted January 7, 2008 Dancer, You are Japanese? No...father was scottish born, mother was conceived on the boat ... Her parents were English/Welsh. Grandpa was a miner... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
White Doors Posted January 7, 2008 Report Posted January 7, 2008 No...father was scottish born, mother was conceived on the boat ... Her parents were English/Welsh. Grandpa was a miner... Then how can your brother in law be married to a Japanese Swiss woman? Or did you mean x-brother in law? Quote Those Dern Rednecks done outfoxed the left wing again.~blueblood~
M.Dancer Posted January 7, 2008 Report Posted January 7, 2008 Then how can your brother in law be married to a Japanese Swiss woman?Or did you mean x-brother in law? Simple. My wife's brother (who is my brother in law) is married to a swiss born japanese woman. She is my sister in law. Now of course, his mother in law is a canadian born Japanese woman and his father in law is a japanese born Canadian.... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
DogOnPorch Posted January 7, 2008 Report Posted January 7, 2008 Where's Loni Anderson? (circa 1967)---------------------------------- I really don't know how to describe it. It was like the turkeys mounted a counterattack! It was almost as if they were...organized!! ---Les Nessman: WKRP in Cincinnati Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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