Do you think White Nationalism and things like the BNP are Canada'

[iForgot]

European Nationalism is on the rise with the small birthrates and increasing amount of muslims in European countries, especially in the UK where the BNP is gaining political support.

Now I ask you - do you think something like this will happen in the future here? First of all, its a little different in North America because this wasn't exactly always our land AND we have so much more land than Europe that "white flight" is an option for us while it isn't for them.

But WN in Europe want to deport ALL non-whites and even all non-British people from England! Do you think it could get to that extent here and would you support it? What about in the US where because it is 1/3 minority AND its much larger, they want to form a "White only" nation in the Northwest US?

What are your thoughts on this and could it have been prevented with better and controlled immigration or are these people simply xenophobic?

[iForgot]

What do you guys think of Stormfront?

[DogOnPorch]

What do you guys think of Stormfront?

A pack of filthy Nazis. Why do you ask?

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---President Dwight D. Eisenhower

[iForgot]

Some posters here want similar things, like preserving white culture.

[DogOnPorch]

Some posters here want similar things, like preserving white culture.

Really? Who?

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[bush_cheney2004]

...But WN in Europe want to deport ALL non-whites and even all non-British people from England! Do you think it could get to that extent here and would you support it? What about in the US where because it is 1/3 minority AND its much larger, they want to form a "White only" nation in the Northwest US?

Actually, by such measures, Canada has been a leader in this effort for years, being larger, more exclusionary, and far "whiter" in the past if that is what counts.

What are your thoughts on this and could it have been prevented with better and controlled immigration or are these people simply xenophobic?

It's a free speech thing....more so in the US....no silly hate speech laws there. They actually have experience in trying to form a separate nation. Didn't work out so well....

Edited December 24, 2007 by bush_cheney2004

[Moxie]

What's storm front??

I doubt Europe will be booting out anyone that isn't deemed white, it's a socialist hell hole they'd chuck the whites out long before minority groups.

[Rue]

Some posters here want similar things, like preserving white culture.

I am inclined to agree with you to an extent. I think some couch their words and double speak and use deliberately coded words so they can play at being racist and deny it when confronted. I think some are just out and out white supremacists and then I think others are genuinely feeling threatened by cultures they think are challenging their culture and they feel threatens to change their culture from the dominant one to just one of many. Some others genuinely believe certain cultures will never be compatible with their own.

Here is what I would have to say to you. Ask your questions to someone of a non dominant culture and you will most certainly get a different answer then someone from a dominant culture and I am sure you will know why.

For example in Quebec, seperatists refer to themselves as nationalists and yet as one listens carefully to references to who is Purelaines, they soon realize its not just nationalism, its racism, its about being Purelaines and if you are not Purelaines you are a threat because you are from a nonPurelaines culture.

So I would say its already a fact in Quebec and has been since Canada was created in that province and will always be a fact. Now if you are not a purelaines in Quebec you would see seperatism and Quebec nationalism as racist. If you were Quebecois purelaines you would see yourself as oppressed tryng to protect yourself from a larger hostile dominant culture. So it depends on whether you feel dominant in culture or submissive, i.e., part of a sub-culture not the mainstream one.

Canada has had a history of racism towards Chinese, Sikhs, Japanese in the past. There was also a discrimination based on whether you were English-Scottish Protestant or anything else other then that, i.e., Jewish, Catholic, Irish.

This country is made up of immigrants who were not English-Scottish Wasp and each experienced their own barriers as they came and worked there way into Canadian society. That discrimination was a mix of race, religion and/or culture.

I would suggest the name of the dominant culture may chance, but the dynamics between different peoples remains the same and racism or discrimination or what-ever you want to call it constantly mutates as new networks or coalitions are formed between those who are established in society seeking to consolidate or preserve their power from those newer who they see as threatening competition.

In the end I personally believe the vast majority of us are salivating peasants while a very small elite will not let go of the real power, not that I really care. I am not interested in being trapped in a mansion suspicious of anyone and everyone and constantly needing to be ruthless to maintain my power base. It would get quite boring and too inbred for my liking and all my children would end up looking like horses.

Edited December 24, 2007 by Rue

[M.Dancer]

BNP?

How is it that the Bank National de Paris is gaining support in Britain? Immigrants?

White People...can't live with them, can't march them into Poland without a scandal...

[marcinmoka]

What's storm front??

Google it. I had the (mis)fortune of checking out the site after it was suggested by one vitriolic MLW member that another, almost equally vitriolic member belongs on the that site. And so my curiosity peaked. And it was quite amusing, with threads ranging from "White Supremacist dieting tips" (i.e. egg whites sans yolk???), Aryan financial advice (saving up for that dream "compound" in Montana), to what is the proper style of clothing and footwear which should be worn by "proud whites", in which some argued for flak jackets and combat boots, while others posted links to the Ralph Lauren's ostensibly WASPy catalogs (and obviously missing out on the irony of their link).

Edited December 25, 2007 by marcinmoka

[Argus]

But WN in Europe want to deport ALL non-whites and even all non-British people from England! Do you think it could get to that extent here and would you support it?

I think the BNP is a response to the political correctness of the British government over the years, and to a lesser extent, of the other parties. When people don't see their views being reflected among the so-called mainstream political parties that's liable to give rise to another party. We saw it in Canada with the rise of Reform. When the PCs, Libs and NDP lost touch with so many issues which concerned Canadians Reform was the inevitable result.

I don't, however, see the rise of a BNP type of group in Canada as long as Canada remains comparatively free of the kind of stifling mindset one sees in England, the affirmative action laws, the extreme laws against freedom of speech, the pressure on police to not take action against non-white criminals, the violence in the streets and inability of authorities to do anything about it, the riots on the part of non-whites who see themselves as outsiders (due in large measure to the government's politically correct iniatives in helping them to NOT assimilate but to "retain their own ethnic identities".

If somehow the NDP got in power, however, and were in power for some years then yes, we'd see something like the BNP in Canada.

[kengs333]

I am inclined to agree with you to an extent. I think some couch their words and double speak and use deliberately coded words so they can play at being racist and deny it when confronted. I think some are just out and out white supremacists and then I think others are genuinely feeling threatened by cultures they think are challenging their culture and they feel threatens to change their culture from the dominant one to just one of many. Some others genuinely believe certain cultures will never be compatible with their own.

I can only laugh when I read this. I wonder who you could be referring to...

But while we're on the topic of deceptive misrepresentation, I find it interesting that people like you really feel justified in making such comments given that you adhere to a belief system that is fairly exclusive and is based in large part on the maintanace of a distinct idenity based largely on race.

[Rue]

I can only laugh when I read this. I wonder who you could be referring to...

But while we're on the topic of deceptive misrepresentation, I find it interesting that people like you really feel justified in making such comments given that you adhere to a belief system that is fairly exclusive and is based in large part on the maintanace of a distinct idenity based largely on race.

1. I was not referring to you but I do find it of course interesting how insecure/paranoid you are and how dilued you are in thinking I constantly think of you and with every baited breath refer to you. A tad narcissistic are we?

2. You also made a statement assuming I adhere to an idelogy that excludes people based on race. Your assumption is not only incorrect but once again manifests what you do when you respond-you project onto others your own qualities and then accuse people of having such qualities when in fact you refer exactly to yourself and your ideology. If anyone were to read our posts on this forum Keng it would be easy to see which one of us is the one who has excluded anyone from his list who is not a true Christian including making hate statements about gays, Jews, women, untrue Christians, etc.

Go on Keng go find one post of mine where I suggested I feel superior to anyone based on my race. For you Keng all we have to do is read ANY post from you.

No go run along before I have Santa take back that coal he sent you.

[charter.rights]

A tad narcissistic are we?

Sounds a bit more like psychopathy, IMO.

[kengs333]

1. I was not referring to you but I do find it of course interesting how insecure/paranoid you are and how dilued you are in thinking I constantly think of you and with every baited breath refer to you. A tad narcissistic are we?

Oh, yes, my mistake; I realize now that you didn't string five or six 1000+ word posts in a row, each specifically including my handle eight or nine times. So I guess you must not have been referring to me at all... Give me a break. We all know what kind of obsession you have with me, you fixation with trying vainly to prove me wrong.

2. You also made a statement assuming I adhere to an idelogy that excludes people based on race. Your assumption is not only incorrect but once again manifests what you do when you respond-you project onto others your own qualities and then accuse people of having such qualities when in fact you refer exactly to yourself and your ideology. If anyone were to read our posts on this forum Keng it would be easy to see which one of us is the one who has excluded anyone from his list who is not a true Christian including making hate statements about gays, Jews, women, untrue Christians, etc.

Nice try, no cigar. And of course you have to deflect criticism by making yet more personal attacks, unfounded accusations. I always find it interesting how people like you accuse a Christian's desire for people to be good, decent, and free from sin "hate". It sounds to me like you're the one expressing hatefulness with such remarks.

Go on Keng go find one post of mine where I suggested I feel superior to anyone based on my race. For you Keng all we have to do is read ANY post from you.

I stated excluse, not superiority.

No go run along before I have Santa take back that coal he sent you.

I suppose this is not supposed to be construed as a slur against my supposed beliefs? To me it's no different than me making a patronizing remark to you about "run[ning] along" and playing with your dradle. Just another example of your typical baiting. Some things just never change.

Edited December 27, 2007 by kengs333

[Rue]

kENG I made a comment for you to run along before I asked Santa to take back his coal. You then could no resist and tried to play the persecuted Christian with me and stated;

"I suppose this is not supposed to be construed as a slur against my supposed beliefs? To me it's no different than me making a patronizing remark to you about "run[ning] along" and playing with your dradle. Just another example of your typical baiting. Some things just never change."

To start with Santa Claus, is a fable. Nothing in what I said mocks you for being an alleged Christian or having Christian beliefs.

More to the point Keng, before you portray yourself as a persecuted Christian at the hands of a Jew, feel free to make comments about dradles.

What I am challenging you on Keng is not Santa Claus or dradles and you know it.

No Keng you were wrong to assume I was talking about you and your need to hijack this post to bring attention to yourself to try portray yourself as a victim of me or others, was not and is not the issue.

The issue is and remains how posters COUCH their words and ideologies and use Christianity or the defence of culture as pretexts for advocating beliefs and values that are exclusive and designed to exclude and put down and hate others.

Keng its way past the point of you trying to cloak yourself as an innocent Christian preaching Christianity.

More to the point Keng you did it again. The very comments you complain about have nothing to do with your religious beliefs. For that matter playing with dradles is not a religious belief.

It would be something if you actually understood what a religious belief was.

Edited December 28, 2007 by Rue

[Rue]

Sounds a bit more like psychopathy, IMO.

Lol. Point taken many moons ago!

[kengs333]

To start with Santa Claus, is a fable. Nothing in what I said mocks you for being an alleged Christian or having Christian beliefs.

That's the point, Rue; you deliberately refer to Santa Claus when you know that I'm a Christian, and that I've made statements about not approving of the incorporation of paganistic or secularized aspects into my belief. Again, another example of how people like you work, trying to twist things and making sly insulting remarks, but act all innocent when called on it.

[Rue]

That's the point, Rue; you deliberately refer to Santa Claus when you know that I'm a Christian, and that I've made statements about not approving of the incorporation of paganistic or secularized aspects into my belief. Again, another example of how people like you work, trying to twist things and making sly insulting remarks, but act all innocent when called on it.

So let me get this straight-you actually hate Santa too?

Man that list is getting bigger and bigger

1-gays

2-Jews

3-women

4-communists

5-liberals

6-idiots

7-untrue Christians including Lutherans, Catholics

8-almost everyone in Hollywoord

9-scientologists

10-any poster who has questioned you and challenged your religious beliefs

11-Muslims

12-atheists, humanists, moral relativists, biologists

13-Santa.

Keng not only did I have no idea you are against believing in Santa, but I still have no idea what you believe in as you refuse to indicate what Christian sect you claim to be a member of.

So Santa is a Pagan belief.

O.k. then.

Guess there are a lot of sinful children about. Will you forgive them or are they going to hell too with the rest of the above infidel heathen heretics?

[charter.rights]

So let me get this straight-you actually hate Santa too?

Man that list is getting bigger and bigger

1-gays

2-Jews

3-women

4-communists

5-liberals

6-idiots

7-untrue Christians including Lutherans, Catholics

8-almost everyone in Hollywoord

9-scientologists

10-any poster who has questioned you and challenged your religious beliefs

11-Muslims

12-atheists, humanists, moral relativists, biologists

13-Santa.

Keng not only did I have no idea you are against believing in Santa, but I still have no idea what you believe in as you refuse to indicate what Christian sect you claim to be a member of.

So Santa is a Pagan belief.

O.k. then.

Guess there are a lot of sinful children about. Will you forgive them or are they going to hell too with the rest of the above infidel heathen heretics?

You are wasting your questions on him. He has a Jesus complex, thinks he is Martin Luther King Jr. reincarnated and is determined to lead the white race out of slavery.

I've yet to see Kengs333 demonstrate what he claims to be or to announce his works.

James 2:14-20

14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,

16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

[Moonlight Graham]

Britain has had a lot more trouble among the non-white immigrant population than Canada has, so i don't see any "white nationalism" happening in Canada to the same hardline extent. But add a successful terror attack to the mix and some Canadians will be clamoring for some immigration/refugee reform.

In Canada, with the (mostly white) babyboomers getting older & retiring, we're going to see even more immigrants piling into the country. Our gov't is going to get very desperate to boost the population to increase tax revenues.

I have no problem with bringing any immigrants into Canada as long as our gov't is letting in quality people into the country & not criminals, the diseased, extremists etc. I fear our standards for immigrantion & refugees in Canada is really going to decline as the babyboomers retire.

The Canadian gov't should do a lot more to encourage Canadians who already live here to have more children. More tax breaks or tax credits for Canadians who have children. Right now our gov't wants mothers to be in the workforce & paying taxes, not staying at home with their kids. They punish mothers for staying home. This has changed slightly under the Harper gov't, but much more is needed. Working moms are likely to have less children than moms who choose to stay at home with their children. And parents who have to suffer financially and tax-wise if one chooses to stay at home are less likely to choose to stay at home.

[Michael Hardner]

MG,

The Canadian gov't should do a lot more to encourage Canadians who already live here to have more children. More tax breaks or tax credits for Canadians who have children. Right now our gov't wants mothers to be in the workforce & paying taxes, not staying at home with their kids. They punish mothers for staying home. This has changed slightly under the Harper gov't, but much more is needed. Working moms are likely to have less children than moms who choose to stay at home with their children. And parents who have to suffer financially and tax-wise if one chooses to stay at home are less likely to choose to stay at home.

How can you ever offer enough tax breaks to make a second income unnecessary ? What would it do for productivity to have a significant number of wage earners put onto baby welfare ? Is it cheaper to pay somebody to stay home than to bring in immigrants who will work and pay taxes ? If so, then how ?

Edited December 29, 2007 by Michael Hardner