Muslim father chokes daughter to near death

[guyser]

Hey I guess that if the Muslim neck ringer knew that he would come to Canada and his daughter would turn into a Britney Spears whor* - he would have aborted the little wench..not saying that ringing her neck is or was a nice thing - just that - if I knew my daughter would grow to be a young woman that would not belong to one man - but would grow to be a monkey in heavey makeup - that would have 200 partners in her life - I would not have bothered bringing her into the world - there are rules of good behaviour - "She was trying to show her beauty" bull crap - she was becoming a common whor* - I met a beautiful woman from Somolia who wore the head scraf - she was sexy and classy - and her father was a normal man......the crazed dad killed his daughter rather than have her mounted by every drunken monkey boy in the hood.

You know what? I have never read such a blatant and disgusting piece of garbage as this on a website in my life.

Report it? Nah, not my style , leave it up to show what a complete and utter moron you are.

Drunken monkey boy? Common whore? That you could ever raise yourself to be their equal would be an impossible challenge for you.

Your IQ couldn't match your shoe size.

Edited December 14, 2007 by guyser

[Black Dog]

AW:

"Able" to? That's a bit different from being "allowed" to, wouldn't you say? huh.gif That someone is "able" to do something has no bearing on their society. He was "able" to kill that many only because he wasn't caught, and I'm guessing it wasn't for lack of trying.

Not sure how familiar you are with the case, but people familiar with the DTES were saying for years that there was a serial killer preying on women, but nobody in officialdom every really gave a rat's ass. They were just poor native hooker junkies, after all.

md00

We simply CANNOT change 3rd world mentalities!

Odd statement, given this whole issue came about because of someone's desire to change their third world mentality.

[Guest American Woman]

AW:

Not sure how familiar you are with the case, but people familiar with the DTES were saying for years that there was a serial killer preying on women, but nobody in officialdom every really gave a rat's ass. They were just poor native hooker junkies, after all.

I didn't realize the police denied the possiblity of a serial killer for so long. All of the women killed weren't "native hooker junkies," but it does seem as if the lives of those who 'disappeared' didn't matter enough to warrant an investigation. I was totally unaware of that. One has to wonder how many lives could have been saved had it not taken so long for them to act. Very sad.

[Oleg Bach]

You know what? I have never read such a blatant and disgusting piece of shit as this on a website in my life.

Report it? Nah, not my style , leave it up to show what a complete and utter fucking moron you are.

Drunken monkey boy? Common whore? That you could ever raise yourself to be their equal would be an impossible challenge for you.

Your IQ couldn't match your shoe size.

I was provoking you...silly girl - and of course you are either a weakish female or a feminine male..playing the devil's advocate is my style - I peronally hold the dumb Muslims mentality in contempt -but ALSO - I hold the western modernity in style....truely what sort of males do you think this young woman would attract in her westernized persona - she lived in the a suburban ghetto - full of gang banging infidel blacks who don't have a clue..also "Report it" - what the heck is that - over at speak free america dot net - we say what we please and there is no liberal retributional "reporting" - this place can be so candy ass ----and don't call me a "fucking moron" and the IQ shoe size - that's a kids saying out of 1965 - you must be older - and still stuck in the 70s..at least me at 57 - is up with the times - I looked at this tragic event from both sides - and it took both sides to generate the murder...I am a Christain white and the head scraf is very classy - and the way she was dressing was NOT classy - that's my point - and the monkey boy comments are just to add colour.

[Julienne]

UPDATE: GIRL HAS DIED. MORE DETAILS LATER

http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_17567.aspx

UPDATE: PHOTO OF GIRL RELEASED:

http://www.citynews.ca/

http://www.thestar.com/News/article/284350 - new pic

"She wanted to be more Western."

This is making news all over here this morning. Still breaking news.

-Immigrants came from Pakistan a year ago.

-Father is 57 years old (why is he here??)

-Daughter was refusing to wear hijab.

-Father strangled daughter to near death and is now at Sick Kids Hospital in grave condition.

Anyone want to tally up what this is costing the tax payer? I know what I just said is mean and insensitive, but the only way to have avoided all this from hapenning is to stop families from wandering into Canada who are of no benefit to us, and our economy.

I'm sorry this happened, but these families shouldn't be coming here like this. This paired with the taser incident speaks volumes of the quality of people that are coming to Canada.

You can spew idealisms, but this has got to stop. Something needs to be done now.

I am shocked and appalled at your post. You really have taken your taxation issues way to far. What you are writing is actually hate propaganda, and social consensus should not tolerate it. It is sad that you have nothing better to do than to spew hate on this forum. And next time, before you get on your high white horse, think for a second that the foundation of this nation was not white and Christian.

[guyser]

I was provoking you...silly girl -

No you weren't. But nice try.

and of course you are either a weakish female or a feminine male..playing the devil's advocate is my style -

Wrong again on both and your style is not devils advocate, you aren't smart enough for that. You make that plain and simple for all to see.

....truely what sort of males do you think this young woman would attract in her westernized persona - she lived in the a suburban ghetto - full of gang banging infidel blacks who don't have a clue..

Besides the fact that it is none of your business who she attracts , you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. One look at that neighbourhood will tell you how wrong you are.

----and don't call me a "fucking moron" and the IQ shoe size

Apparently truth hurts. You are, and you have the equivalent.

However that said, I have pulled the offending words from my original post. While I certainly wont apologize to the likes of you, I will to the other posters here. Get this straight though, you still are and always will be.

I looked at this tragic event from both sides - and it took both sides to generate the murder...I am a Christain white and the head scraf is very classy - and the way she was dressing was NOT classy - that's my point - and the monkey boy comments are just to add colour.

Ahh, the old I am a christian white , so that explains your ignorance?

Her style of dress now is the problem?

Great, blame the child for wearing western clothes, blame her for her murder. Good old christian blame the victim shot. Well done.

What exactly had she been wearing since you are so knowledgeable?

Monkey boy? Wonderful use of a denigrating word . Proud of yourself?

Pathetic. Plus a few other adjectives that I deleted.

[Michael Hardner]

guyser - you are partaking in activity known as 'feeding the trolls'.

There are plenty here who have more to say, and better ways to say it than olech and MikeDavid. I encourage you to debate with them instead.

[Oleg Bach]

No you weren't. But nice try.

Wrong again on both and your style is not devils advocate, you aren't smart enough for that. You make that plain and simple for all to see.

Besides the fact that it is none of your business who she attracts , you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. One look at that neighbourhood will tell you how wrong you are.

Apparently truth hurts. You are, and you have the equivalent.

However that said, I have pulled the offending words from my original post. While I certainly wont apologize to the likes of you, I will to the other posters here. Get this straight though, you still are and always will be.

Ahh, the old I am a christian white , so that explains your ignorance?

Her style of dress now is the problem?

Great, blame the child for wearing western clothes, blame her for her murder. Good old christian blame the victim shot. Well done.

What exactly had she been wearing since you are so knowledgeable?

Monkey boy? Wonderful use of a denigrating word . Proud of yourself?

Pathetic. Plus a few other adjectives that I deleted.

You are so clever - and I am cut to the quick - as I spit out meaningless phrases like an artist splashing some paint around - yet you find it and myself so important - that you dedicated all that time cutting and pasting and picking apart every pointless point of mine - I don't want to be your kind of smart - or intelligent - all I can say is that someone should have warned this immigrant father before he came here that Canada was a land of social engineering and not a free nation.

There are no more matriarchs allowed - and the patriarchy has been persecuted out of existance..and people like you do not even realize that you are being slowly and very incrimentally debased into corporate secularism..there there is no real family - just no-sex same sex unions defined by gentital contact as if that was the contract of marriage.

I have seen the slaughter in the family courts and the brazen parasitic black robers eat the society at will - there is no freedom here baby - welcome to animal farm - I know these facts - the poor Muslim man was naive - as you are - My realism is hard earned through experience and observation - yours is school taught - which means you are highly institutionalized - and you could not handle the truth - The girls was being debased - I have no use for the utiltitarian secularism - and I have no use for fanatice Muslims or Christians and those pesky professional bureacrat Jews either - I may have refered to my self out of tradition as Christian but I go back much futher than that - it took the filthy state and a crazyed Muslim fanatic to kill this girl - they tag teamed her to death - both are to blame.

[guyser]

guyser - you are partaking in activity known as 'feeding the trolls'.

There are plenty here who have more to say, and better ways to say it than olech and MikeDavid. I encourage you to debate with them instead.

Correct.

But for one to blame the girl for her demise...well, that troll should be told off. So I did.

Read the blech he is now trying to pass off. Incoherent english and full of more garbage. I may have overestimated his shoe size.

[Oleg Bach]

Correct.

But for one to blame the girl for her demise...well, that troll should be told off. So I did.

Read the blech he is now trying to pass off. Incoherent english and full of more garbage. I may have overestimated his shoe size.

I don't blame the girl - nor do I blame the victim of Islam - which is the father - I feel very sorry for both..You are not getting me at my best - but on a good day - I can dance around you ---like you are standing still - I am the finest trol you will find on the planet. Getting back to the girl factor - I was taken back when I saw the western style photos of her - It was clear that she had been dressing in the modern manner for some time and was expert in it..So I really don't believe it had much to do with Islam - the father lost his mind - he was over worked and did not expect this nation to make him a slave and slowly destroy him..

- to the point where he like a harrassed animal lost it and killed his own offspring - the immigrants have been betrayed and were shipped her as cheap labour - as slaves - same as the dumping of surplus slaves in Texas, Arizona and California - the slaves from Mexico..who are to expensive to feed and are abandoned much like old Jamaica was. The ones to blame sit in the bank towers who lobby for more customers to be imported in and trapped like rats - immigrants are leaving -in droves - may as be with the devil you know - this father should have made a run for it instead of struggling to be a "good provider" with no hope or end in sight for his slavish suffering - he snapped. Our system broke him and killed her.

[capricorn]

I don't blame the girl - nor do I blame the victim of Islam - which is the father - I feel very sorry for both..

Only you would see this father as a victim.

You are not getting me at my best - but on a good day - I can dance around you ---like you are standing still - I am the finest trol you will find on the planet.

You flatter yourself. I know finer trolls than you.

Getting back to the girl factor - I was taken back when I saw the western style photos of her - It was clear that she had been dressing in the modern manner for some time and was expert in it.

IMO, that's good. A typical teenager.

- he was over worked and did not expect this nation to make him a slave and slowly destroy him..

Sort of like you except that he had a job.

- to the point where he like a harrassed animal lost it and killed his own offspring

I agree with you here...animal is a good description.

this father should have made a run for it instead of struggling to be a "good provider" with no hope or end in sight for his slavish suffering -

Sort of like what you did. Now you're a welfare case. You made your life what it is so stop complaining. You'll get no sympathy here.

[Oleg Bach]

Only you would see this father as a victim.

You flatter yourself. I know finer trolls than you.

IMO, that's good. A typical teenager.

Sort of like you except that he had a job.

I agree with you here...animal is a good description.

Sort of like what you did. Now you're a welfare case. You made your life what it is so stop complaining. You'll get no sympathy here.

This "welfare case" considers my present postion as a job as a low paid bureacrat. This sympathy seeking loser who was honest enough to reveal publically here for the first time to anyone that I was on the dole..can still pick up a phone and discuss matters with a person that has more power than any of you fools can imagine - You were not bright enough to see the father as a victim of a fools religion, as all dictitorial doctrines are..of course he was victimised by the evil that is Islam and Judaism and Christianity and don't forget that trendy religion of over rated intellects called atheism. Far as my job - I work everyday ...I may not get paid the way you do - but my self declared priesthood of sorts is work enough - I don't give a shit what you dummies think and to imagine that you actually believe you are superiour to me is a joke - You don't have an incling how I am or the talents I possess...so kiss my butt....This IMMIGRANT - who rang the neck of a ward of the state must have struck close to home seeing all of you are wards of the state or the corporations that hold and control you.

I in all my years have never been refered to as a "welfare case" as if I was some stupified and unaware bit of poorly bred white trash...I come from fine stock and you people here - perhaps not most - are my inferiors and you know it or you would not have stooped so low in an attempt to insult me - if I was a "welfare case" you would not have bothered to attack me - this insult is very telling of what lays in your hearts - that you know I am king - and you are subjects symbolically of course or perhaps not. Good night and Merry Christmas.

[Visionseeker]

Do you honsetly think that councelling is going to change someone who has been indoctrinated with a 3rd world mentallity? It's impossible.

Are you speaking from personal experience?

[Oleg Bach]

Are you speaking from personal experience?

Someone is going to advice me - oh boy...can't wait - joke....someone coming from a third world nation is going to look at counciling as some sort of intrusion - not all males on earth are metrosexual sissy boys who will pour out their hearts to some as if some dweeb can help.....these people are from another era. Even myself who has been in the country for 56 years is still not part of it - my mentality is out of the 1800s - out of old Christian Russia - and some doctor sweet talking me at 200 bucks an hour is not condusive to my free warlordish Ukrainian soul..so this neck ringer is even more of a privative and more alienated than myself in the modern world.

[White Doors]

free warlordish Ukrainian soul..

eh? Weren't you guys Russia's bitch for a few hundred years? Hell, I think you were even Poland's bitch at one point.

Warlordish soul? tee hee.

Your warlordish soul got you through the welfare line ups to get you yer cheque eh?

Had to slay your enemies to get back to mommy's teet?

hahaha

Edited December 14, 2007 by White Doors

[mikedavid00]

Great to hear that with your wide social circle you met a girl online.

Everyone does that these days. Poeple who have trouble dating are so because they aren't going online.

Why are you friends with all of these immigrants you despise so much?

My friends are mostly second generation of various backgrounds becuase that's all I was able to meet in school. But you're from medicine hat and not Ontario so you wouldn't know how it's like to go to a University or College and be in a minority because you're white. But I integrate and don't discriminate who I hang out with based on their colour. I wish many of them would do the same.

Note: Yes I do generalize and stereotype people based on their skin colours - just like they do. But that is not racism. That's generalizing.. something that marketing companies do all the time.

So the black immigrants we have here in Medicine Hat are different from the ones in Toronto.

Most likely yes.

So do you dislike immigrants from Toronto, and only Toronto?

I dissaprove all immigrants that are not here on a guest work permit. I don't hate anyone.

By the way stop playing the "I live here" card because most of us have come into contact with immigrants as well.

Immigrants in Ottawa and Toronto have huge differences. I immagine that immigrants from medice hat are a night and day difference.

[mikedavid00]

Did your online profile look as good as this guys?

I would bet whoever wrote yours wasnt being truthful. Did yours mention the unemployment, the abject hate for any immigrants .

Lol!

No I met over chats and stuff. Not stuff like paying to post profiles!! Are you kidding?

However, that girl friend of mine who lives in the basement.. her parents put up profile for her.

[mikedavid00]

Odd statement, given this whole issue came about because of someone's desire to change their third world mentality.

And that's why I consider her to be modern day hero.

Edited December 14, 2007 by mikedavid00

[Oleg Bach]

eh? Weren't you guys Russia's bitch for a few hundred years? Hell, I think you were even Poland's bitch at one point.

Warlordish soul? tee hee.

Your warlordish soul got you through the welfare line ups to get you yer cheque eh?

Had to slay your enemies to get back to mommy's teet?

hahaha

My Dad served as an honor guard for Stalin and was a propogandist - he dispised the man - he was no ones bitch..in fact he removed a few bitches out of the works. His family may have come from the Ukraine ( the mother of all of Russia) a couple of hundred years ago - and my mother was born there - but you must understand that the Ukraine is a genetic mix of all races - from Asian - to Viking - to the traveling Muslims and the Jews - also - it was a hiding spot 500 years ago of the original Christian cults - these are not your average folks. Myself - I have the blood of almost every race on the planet in me.

Now lets address this "welfare" issue. The natural stubborn fighter in me spent a long period informally - reforming the court system..so as you and others could possibly get some justice in the future - I made it safer for men woman and children to enter into the judical system and be respected. Yes - I waged a war with my pen against what was a corrupt monopoly that stretched right from crimminal law - to family - law and to litigative civil law - communicating with the Justice Minister briefly and demanding that judges - judge.. This six year process was not easy..and my expenses were barely met - YOU - try fighting through this maze of trickery, putting all your efforts and energy fully into a David and Golliath fight.

I may not have been successful - and did not retrieve the rightful claim that amounted to a few million bucks - but I did give them a good shake and gave these bureacrats something to think about - I planted seeds that YOU and yours will benefit from in time - so in the end - it cost me everything I had including my home. For a man with no real material resourses - I did well - so...don't attempt to peg me or marginalize me as some welfare paraiste - I did my duty - as a human being and a citizen - YOU - do not have the strength to wage such a bloodless prolonged war on those that have forgotten their purpose and who had failed to fulfill their positions of service....I am infamous - hated by some - and adored by others within judicary - at least I gave it a try - so don't attempt to put me down...compared to cowards and instutional cowards such as yourself - I am a hero - I DID MY PART - MY DUTY. You do nothing but look for someone to oppress in order to exault your pathetic self....Why don't you attempt to learn something here?

[M.Dancer]

More and more it seems this murder has less to do with islamic honour and more to do with a rebelious teenager and a father with serious anger issues. Unfortunately it make the murder somewhat banal.

This kid isn't a hero, she is a victim.

[mikedavid00]

More and more it seems this murder has less to do with islamic honour and more to do with a rebelious teenager and a father with serious anger issues. Unfortunately it make the murder somewhat banal.

This kid isn't a hero, she is a victim.

Yes.. as the left slowely tries to paint the pictures in the minds of Canadians and make this into a stress issue and nothing more.

The girl was disposeable and lets focus on the needs of the Father and his family.

The girl was strangled to death over minutes of controlled strangulation and she feared her life. The motive the father/brother had was that she was dishounoring the family. Islam is involved, but it's mostly a tribal cultural practice of family that cuased the father to do this. I know of 4 honor killings in Canada. All involve women disgracing the family. This happens overseas all the time.

Hell, our own media tries to bury this.

Now the left sicko's and self haters will slowely try to pain the picture of what 'really happened' and blame councelling, stress disorders, and other things that we did in order for him to do what he did.

And that is why many people right off the bat said that he would get off this charge.

I've lived in this country my whole life. I know the people in Canada very well. These include immigrants, minorities, second gens, quebecers, westerners and other wasp Canadians.

Canadians protect the guilty and are, for the most part, a self hating bunch. They do not value human life. They applaud 'losing' in life. They have a comfort in seing mis-justice happen. It's comforting. Standing up tall and fixing problems is not something Canadians do.

It's a sickness that our country has bred into our people. I did not grow up watching the CBC and Canadian tv at all so I have never been idoctranated with these values that many here have. I don't understand or even comprehend this self hatred.

Samoli's come into Ottawa, the citzens get concerned, and the answer is to let in more Samoli's. Why? Self hatred. Self loathing. No pride in the country.

Canadians *like* long waiting times at the hospital. It makes them happy. The disfunction makes them feel comfortable.

Go study a molested child and then the typical porn star or sex addict. No one likes the molestation, but they have been indoctrinated and it's too late. They don't realize it, but they now have a comfort. A deep rooted psycological issue that causes them to still want to be molested. It's hard to understand why, but that's how it is. You can no longer change it.

So I know how this will play out. The CBC, the wacko's, the Canucks, will slowely start to 'understand' this person and find away to blame ourselves and say the real answer was councelling, funding to various groups, etc. etc. Blame the police, the taser... ANYTHING but the man who is out of control and should not have been granted entrance into Canada.

The real answer is we have a disfunctining immigration policy. That's the fact of it. This is another sympton of our disfunctioning immigration policy. Honor killings are tolorated back home. We can either tolorate it here, or just plug our ears and pretend this wans't an honor killing (which is what the conservative mulsims are doing i've noticed).

This was an honor killing and it's debatable whether it's 1st degree. It's one of the worst practices in the 3rd world and it's now here.

We've had 4 incidents counted so far and more will follow the more people begin to segregate themselves into their racial ghettos.

But the media will not allow you to talk about this. Our voices are muted. We resort to this forum. The elites do not live in the trenches with these people. We do. Thus we have a loud opinion that doesn't get heard due to the structure of our media and freedom of speech.

Hell, this very website isn't very free and funded indirectly through my tax dollars.

That should say it all.

[M.Dancer]

The girl was strangled to death over minutes of controlled strangulation....

That is false but then again, aren't most of your posts?

[Guest American Woman]

More and more it seems this murder has less to do with islamic honour and more to do with a rebelious teenager and a father with serious anger issues.

As I've said before, the murder may not be an "honor killing" in the true sense, but it could very well be the mentality behind honor killings being accepted that made this father more likely to kill his daugther than he otherwise would have been.

When it was acceptable in our society for parents to take a stick to their childrens' behind and give them a good spanking, lots of people did it. Now that it's not acceptable, people don't even consider doing it and they think it's terrible if someone does lose it and disciplines their kids this way. In fact, it's a reportable offense. But when it was part of society's thinking, people found it acceptable to do it. So I'm just saying what's acceptable can become part of a person's mindset.

PAKISTAN: Focus on honour killings

Honour killings and domestic violence are depressingly common still in Pakistan.

This father was a recent immigrant from Pakistan, so basically he grew up in a culture where honor killings and domestic violence are common. So you don't think that could have had a bearing on his actions?

The daughter may have been "rebellious" in wanting to live her own life and not be "controlled" by her family, but most rebellious teens don't fear for their lives and aren't afraid their father and/or brother is going to kill them. There is more to this incident than 'snapping' and 'acting out in the heat of the moment,' but it seems some feel it's being unfair to Islam to recognize that. But as long as people are afraid to address/recognize/openly admit the difficulties invovled in assimilating from one ver different culture to another, I believe there will continue to be problems; and unfortunately, the result could be more deaths.

[mikedavid00]

The daughter may have been "rebellious" in wanting to live her own life and not be "controlled" by her family, but most rebellious teens don't fear for their lives and aren't afraid their father and/or brother is going to kill them.

Is rebellious being in grade 11 on her way to graduating? Coming home at 5pm?

Some parents with REAL rebellious kids would dream for that kind of 'rebellion'.

The rebellion was that she wasn't wearing her cultural costume, and she wasn't wearing a hijab. And she was hanging around other evil cultures.

Do you consider that to be rebellion? If anyone does, they simply do not belong in Canada. It's that simple.

NEWS: 26 YEAR OLD SON HAS BEEN GRANTED BAIL

Edited December 14, 2007 by mikedavid00

[MontyBurns]

Where are all the feminists when we really need them? Here is their chance to go to bat for womens rights.